Omnipresence of God

user said:

Yes I agree. And, let's not forget the omnipresence shows Jesus coming out of the water at the baptism of John, and simultaneously descending like a dove (which was a sign unto John), while speaking from heaven in Matthew 3:16, which was a perfect example of how our one true God can multitask. God does not jump out of one person in Mexico to go and jump into another saved person in France, He is in all saved people at the same time, and was in all three places at that baptism while still being the one omnipresent Spirit which is in heaven.

That same omnipresent Spirit which spoke to Moses through a burning bush, overshadowed Mary and she conceived a seed. That one spirit simultaneously inhabits that seed AND remains in heaven (omnipresent). When Mary gives birth, we now have SPIRIT become FLESH. That bouncing baby boy is the ALMIGHTY manifest in the flesh. That is how, and why Jesus can say, "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."


Again, good post.
God Bless!

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Don't misunderstand me. Most people believe, regarding God Holy Spirit, to be a person. While I agree that there are scriptures that personify The True God Holy Spirit, when viewing all the scriptures regarding the Holy Spirit of The True God it's not a person at all, but is the invisible energizing force that God puts into action to accomplish his will. It is holy because it comes from Jehovah, who is clean and righteous to the highest degree, and because it is God’s means to accomplish what is holy.—Lu 1:35; Ac 1:8.

user, says:
I believe Jehovah/ALMIGHTY overshadowed Mary and she conceived a seed. Jehovah/ALMIGHTY simultaneously inhabits that seed AND remains in heaven (omnipresent). When Mary gives birth, we now have SPIRIT become FLESH. That bouncing baby boy is the ALMIGHTY manifest in the flesh. That is how, and why Jesus can say, "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Who do you believe this scripture is speaking of?...

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Look at what the scriptures say at
John 3:31- the one who comes from above is over all others. The one who is from the earth is from the earth and speaks of things of the earth. The one who comes from heaven is over all others. 32 He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, but no man accepts his witness. 33 Whoever has accepted his witness has put his seal to it that God is true. 34 For the one whom God sent speaks the sayings of God, for He does not give the spirit sparingly. 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.


Also at John 14:
Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also: Philip’s request recorded at Joh 14:8 suggests that he wanted Jesus to provide his disciples with a visible manifestation of God, such as was granted in visions to Moses, Elijah, and Isaiah. (Ex 24:10; 1Ki 19:9-13; Isa 6:1-5) In such visions, God’s servants saw symbolic representations of God, not God himself. (Ex 33:17-23; Joh 1:18) Jesus’ reply indicated that Philip had already seen something better than such a vision of God. Because Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, seeing Jesus was like seeing God himself. (Mt 11:27) The disciples had “seen the Father” by perceiving God’s personality, will, and purpose through what Jesus said and did. So when the Bible describes Jesus—his love for his friends, his compassion that moved him to heal others, his empathy that caused him to give way to tears, and his powerful teaching—the reader might well picture his Father, Jehovah, saying and doing those very things.—Mt 7:28, 29; Mr 1:40-42; Joh 11:32-36.

The point is when you read such things as, " The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" is speaking of the unity of love and purpose that Jesus Christ has with his Father who is, The Only True God whose name is Jehovah. I believe as the scriptures say that Jehovah the Almighty God, The Only True God is the Father and God of Jesus, not that they are the same person nor was God omnipresent there when Jesus said the words, the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works we must keep that in context.

How do we come to know God’s ways? It is through learning ‘the sacred secret of godly devotion.’ But how do we do that?
In 1 Timothy chapter 3, the apostle Paul first outlines what is required of responsible servants in God’s household, described in 1Ti 3 verse 15 as “the congregation of the living God, a pillar and support of the truth.” Then Paul adds, in 1Ti 3 verse 16: “The sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great.” Great indeed because Jehovah sent his only-begotten Son to earth to unlock this secret, to demonstrate what godly devotion really is and how it is vital, pivotal, in true worship. The sacred secret of this godly devotion is illuminated in Jesus’ life course here on earth. All lovers of Jehovah must build their faith and their lives on Christ, who exemplified godly devotion. How, then, did Jesus clarify the sacred secret of godly devotion?

Six Facets of the sacred secret Paul describes at 1 Timothy 3:16 are: “He [1] was made manifest in flesh, [2] was declared righteous in spirit, [3] appeared to angels, [4] was preached about among nations, [5] was believed upon in the world, [6] was received up in glory.”
The question you should ask yourself is,"Who is the “He” who is made manifest? Obviously, “He” is the promised Seed, Jesus, who came to do God’s will. He is central to the sacred secret, making it truly great.

Trinitarians try to muddy up the understanding of the sacred secret by saying that “He” at 1 Timothy 3:16 is God himself. They base this on the King James Bible, which reads, “God was manifest in the flesh.” However, what do the most reliable Greek manuscripts say? Consistently, they use the pronoun “He” instead of “God.” Textual critics now agree that the insertion of “God” in this scripture is a scribal error. Thus, more recent translations, such as the American Standard Version, The New English Bible, and the New World Translation, correctly read: ‘He [or, He who] was manifest in the flesh.’ No, it was not God himself who appeared “in the flesh.” Rather, it was his beloved Son and first creation, of whom the apostle John wrote: “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.”—John 1:14.

“Manifest in Flesh”

At Jesus’ baptism the first feature of the sacred secret became apparent: Jesus “was made manifest in flesh” as the anointed Son of God. Jehovah God had transferred his Son’s life from heaven to the womb of Mary so that Jesus could be born in the flesh as a perfect human. Thus, as 1 Corinthians 15:45-47 shows, Jesus became the “last,” Adam, a perfect human soul corresponding exactly to the first Adam. For what purpose? First Timothy 2:5, 6 refers to “the last Adam” as “a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.” On this legal basis of a perfect human sacrifice, Jesus mediates the new covenant toward the humans who become joint heirs with him in his Kingdom.—Revelation 14:1-3.

There is no time or place where God is not!!!Pretty awesome!! HUH???

user said:

Jesus said...

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


Jesus the Holy Spirit in us:

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

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GINOLJC, to all.
100% correct. everything is covered good, the only thing I could add is the Spirit, who is the Spirit of Christ, (according Romans 8:9, above), is the Father, the God of the OT, who is the Lord Jesus, the Spirit. the Holy Spirit. supportive Scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:"1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

so the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of OLD, and the apostle Peter said that this Spirit that was in the OT prophets, is the Holy Ghost, supportive Scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." so clearly the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost, one in the same Spirit. BINGO.

user, GOOD JOB, you're on the Money.

and again thaks for the Post, I'm going to go back and look at some more of your posts. may God bless you always.

again Great Job.



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DNB said:

Ok, thanks Enow. Due to the fact that that both positions cannot be true, God's visibility and invisibility, I don't believie that there are any theophanies of God. Regardless of what the Scripture 'appears' to say.

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this is where men stumble, not KNOWING the difference between and "Apperance", and a "Manifestation". God "appeared" in the OT, but "Manifested" in the NT. you stumble in your own word that witness to that fact, "Regardless of what the Scripture 'appears' to say". regardless?, so a rejecting of the scriptures is a rejection of God. scripture, Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

what did JESUS say? "because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee". nuff said,

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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user said:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

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GREAT, the "ANOTHER". that's Jesus in Glorification of the Spirit... let's read further. John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

when did Jesus our Lord Manifest himself? answer... on the day of Pentecost, in the Spiritual Gifts. BINGO.

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101G said:

Remember, Don't argue with 101G...

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Which would be a total waste of time. And the same applies to all his heretical posts about the Trinity.

Enoch111 said:

Which would be a total waste of time. And the same applies to all his heretical posts about the Trinity.

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that's why we discuss, and should not argue, FOR THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK LOUDER THAN our words....

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Now, lets get to the heart of why people stumble when it comes to the Godhead.

first stumbling block. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
God own arm? lets have a look see, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"
Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."

HOLD IT, THE "ARM" OF THE LORD IS A "HE"......A "HIM". BINGO. how plain can one get. the he and the him here is the Lord Jesus. and your ARM is YOU. not a separate and distinct person, but YOU the same one person, now "diversified, in flesh. BINGO.

Second Stumbling block. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

the ordinal first as in the "FIRST", and the Last? yes, lets see the Last, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.".

there he is, the "LAST" Adam, the ordinal "Last"... the ordinal First is the LORD, the ordinal Last is the Lord. same one person, supportive scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, "I" is a single person designation, how plain can one get.

the LORD is the First, (Spirit/Father), God almighty. the Lord is the Last, (spirit/Son), the Father/Spirit diversified in Flesh... layman terms, God "shared" in Flesh. this is the "ARM" , and the stumbling block is, as Isaiah said, 53:1 "Who hath believed our report?". many cannot BELIEVE. and what's the consequences of NOT believing? John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." Uh O... YIKES!. unbelief will get you everytime.


Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G said:

this is where men stumble, not KNOWING the difference between and "Apperance", and a "Manifestation". God "appeared" in the OT, but "Manifested" in the NT. you stumble in your own word that witness to that fact, "Regardless of what the Scripture 'appears' to say". regardless?, so a rejecting of the scriptures is a rejection of God. scripture, Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

what did JESUS say? "because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee". nuff said,

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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Well, aren't you rather astute, clarifying the difference between a manifestation, and an appearance. And by what means did you come to this most perceptive conclusion, did you look it up in the Merriam-101G dictionary?

DNB said:

Well, aren't you rather astute, clarifying the difference between a manifestation, and an appearance. And by what means did you come to this most perceptive conclusion, did you look it up in the Merriam-101G dictionary?

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Nope, no need to, just read the Bible, listen, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."

that's all you have to Do. and by the way do you know what a "similitude" is, and or a vision? ....... YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G said:

Nope, no need to, just read the Bible, listen, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."

that's all you have to Do. and by the way do you know what a "similitude" is, and or a vision? ....... YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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...apparently, better than you!

DNB said:

...apparently, better than you!

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first thanks for the reply, second, well why don't you enlighten everyone here, so we all can see your explanation of a vision and a similitude which you say is, "...apparently, better than you!", which apparently I have not given yet. ....... YIKES!

so before you put your foot into your mouth, you might want to reconsider your statement you made, and your quote, "Due to the fact that that both positions cannot be true, God's visibility and invisibility, I don't believie that there are any theophanies of God. Regardless of what the Scripture 'appears' to say."

are you sure that there are no theophanies of God in the scriptures?

theophany: a visible manifestation to humankind of God or a god. and another

and another word for any kind or type of theophanies are, epiphanies apparitions manifestation visitation appearance materializations. ....

your MOVE.....

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, well why don't you enlighten everyone here, so we all can see your explanation of a vision and a similitude which you say is, "...apparently, better than you!", which apparently I have not given yet. ....... YIKES!

so before you put your foot into your mouth, you might want to reconsider your statement you made, and your quote, "Due to the fact that that both positions cannot be true, God's visibility and invisibility, I don't believie that there are any theophanies of God. Regardless of what the Scripture 'appears' to say."

are you sure that there are no theophanies of God in the scriptures?

theophany: a visible manifestation to humankind of God or a god. and another

and another word for any kind or type of theophanies are, epiphanies apparitions manifestation visitation appearance materializations. ....

your MOVE.....

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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Why are you so simple, 101G? First of all, 'better than you' was in rebuttal to you asking me if I knew what a similitude, or vision was.
Secondly, if God, He who is invisible and resides in unapproachable light, made His appearance known to anyone, at any given time in history, it was not a manifestation of His ontology, in the sense of biology, anatomy or physicality - for, He has none.
His theophany was either an Angel speaking and acting on His behalf, or He merely animated material within the earthly realm, in order to make His presence know to a being created from the dust of the earth (limited senses).
And, when I say presence, in regard to speaking of an omnipresent being, we understand that God was not circumscribed in the geographical place that the apparition took place, but that He merely isolated the effects of His power to take place at a specific location, at a certain time.
Cloud of smoke by day, and cloud of fire by night, is a perfect example of such a phenomenon.

DNB said:

Why are you so simple, 101G? First of all, 'better than you' was in rebuttal to you asking me if I knew what a similitude, or vision was.
Secondly, if God, He who is invisible and resides in unapproachable light, made His appearance known to anyone, at any given time in history, it was not a manifestation of His ontology, in the sense of biology, anatomy or physicality - for, He has none.
His theophany was either an Angel speaking and acting on His behalf, or He merely animated material within the earthly realm, in order to make His presence know to a being created from the dust of the earth (limited senses).
And, when I say presence, in regard to speaking of an omnipresent being, we understand that God was not circumscribed in the geographical place that the apparition took place, but that He merely isolated the effects of His power to take place at a specific location, at a certain time.
Cloud of smoke by day, and cloud of fire by night, is a perfect example of such a phenomenon.

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and you said,

DNB said:

And, when I say presence, in regard to speaking of an omnipresent being, we understand that God was not circumscribed in the geographical place that the apparition took place, but that He merely isolated the effects of His power to take place at a specific location, at a certain time.
Cloud of smoke by day, and cloud of fire by night, is a perfect example of such a phenomenon.

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so we can take this as you don't know or have a clue, do you? guess so. anyway, listen up

appear, Genesis 12:7 "And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him."

now this, Exodus 3:1 "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb."
Exodus 3:2 "And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed." before you jump the gun, it was the LORD who appeared, but the angel was the instrutment of communication, .....

Now an apperance again, Genesis 18:1 "And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"Genesis 18:2 "And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,"

now the scripture said, men, correct, well lets who one of the men "appear" to be, Genesis 18:16 "And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way."
Genesis 18:17 "And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;" Uh O, who said that? Genesis 18:17 "And the LORD said"... oh ok, that cleared that up.

now these are "apperances, and not a manifestation which is first person. now a manifestation, first person.
remember what you said, "and, when I say presence, in regard to speaking of an omnipresent being, we understand that God was not circumscribed in the geographical place that the apparition took place"
listen up, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." now DNB, who, notice I said "who" is the "ARM" of God? lets see, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

now you said I was simple, ok, so why you can't believe a "simple" truth that the Lord Jesus in FLESH is the ARM of God "MANIFESTED" in flesh, scripture, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." it said "God" not an angel, no, but God himself manifested in the flesh, that's first person... YIKES!. again, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets." and Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." WHO, WHO, WHO, came? God.

now let me introduce you to two words, "Intrinsic Spatial". ....... YIKES! now go and find out what they mean, and get back with me.

this is what another poster in another topic, did not, and could not understand about God, he said that God separated himself... no he did not. but find out what they mean and get back with me.... (smile).
now the key verse in all of this, Matthew 19:26 ..... say what?

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

101G said:

and you said,

so we can take this as you don't know or have a clue, do you? guess so. anyway, listen up

appear, Genesis 12:7 "And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him."

now this, Exodus 3:1 "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb."
Exodus 3:2 "And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed." before you jump the gun, it was the LORD who appeared, but the angel was the instrutment of communication, .....

Now an apperance again, Genesis 18:1 "And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"Genesis 18:2 "And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,"

now the scripture said, men, correct, well lets who one of the men "appear" to be, Genesis 18:16 "And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way."
Genesis 18:17 "And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;" Uh O, who said that? Genesis 18:17 "And the LORD said"... oh ok, that cleared that up.

now these are "apperances, and not a manifestation which is first person. now a manifestation, first person.
remember what you said, "and, when I say presence, in regard to speaking of an omnipresent being, we understand that God was not circumscribed in the geographical place that the apparition took place"
listen up, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." now DNB, who, notice I said "who" is the "ARM" of God? lets see, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

now you said I was simple, ok, so why you can't believe a "simple" truth that the Lord Jesus in FLESH is the ARM of God "MANIFESTED" in flesh, scripture, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." it said "God" not an angel, no, but God himself manifested in the flesh, that's first person... YIKES!. again, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets." and Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." WHO, WHO, WHO, came? God.

now let me introduce you to two words, "Intrinsic Spatial". ....... YIKES! now go and find out what they mean, and get back with me.

this is what another poster in another topic, did not, and could not understand about God, he said that God separated himself... no he did not. but find out what they mean and get back with me.... (smile).
now the key verse in all of this, Matthew 19:26 ..... say what?

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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Hi 101G, sorry, my mistake, when I said 'simple', it appears that I should of used an adjective much more deprecating.
101G, you should not being reading the Bible alone, or be allowed to interpret it without the council of at least 10 qualified scholars (at least in credentials).