How Do You Define Death?

BarneyFife · Dec 30, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
What book of the Bible is DuckDuckGo?

The writer/author tells what is a parable.

So you're saying if a story is not announced as being a parable, it is disqualified as a parable? I was simply trying to demonstrate by search engine results that many, many people recognize the story of the rich man and Lazarus as being a parable, dear lady.

CharismaticLady · Dec 30, 2020

quietthinker said:
it was a story.....another word for a parable

But was it a true story or a story of fiction. The author verifies if a parable is a parable. Otherwise, Jesus was lying, and that can't be true.

CharismaticLady · Dec 30, 2020

BarnyFife said:
So you're saying if a story is not announced as being a parable, it is disqualified as a parable? I was simply trying to demonstrate by search engine results that many, many people recognize the story of the rich man and Lazarus as being a parable, dear lady.

People are fallible. The inspiration of the apostles was not.

heaven and hell are real, not symbolic or mythical parables. And this described the holding places before the resurrection of Jesus.

BarneyFife · Dec 30, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
People are fallible. The inspiration of the apostles was not.

heaven and hell are real, not symbolic or mythical parables. And this described the holding places before the resurrection of Jesus.

So what is your answer to the question?

quietthinker · Dec 30, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
But was it a true story or a story of fiction. The author verifies if a parable is a parable. Otherwise, Jesus was lying, and that can't be true.

the story/parable in itself is not the focus of attention. It is the message conveyed that matters. Miss the message and everything is missed.

historyb · Dec 30, 2020

April_Rose said:
Umm okay then here's a poem for you....

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
You told me the answer,
But I still don't have a clue. XD

I did tell you the answer. Don't take the poetry in the Psalms literally. You want to know what Death in the Psalms mean, it means what David wanted it to mean in the poem itself. Yes King David was referring to regular Death but you must look at this in context not just one verse plus keep in mind these were songs and poetry. Here is the context with another translation:

17 The dead cannot sing praises to Jehovah here on earth 18 but we can! We praise him forever! Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!

King David is right the dead can not praise God on Earth, and they never will.

BarneyFife · Dec 30, 2020

historyb said:
Don't take the poetry in the Psalms literally.

All scripture is given...

historyb · Dec 30, 2020

BarnyFife said:
All scripture is given...

and? Not all is literal some are moral stories, poetry, wisdom literature. I am not a Biblelist whom thinks everything is literal

BarneyFife · Dec 30, 2020

historyb said:
and? Not all is literal some are moral stories, poetry, wisdom literature. I am not a Biblelist whom thinks everything is literal

I just assume it's literal unless something else is indicated.

friend of · Dec 30, 2020

We don't fully realize what death and life actually mean since we are in the temporal realm

quietthinker · Dec 30, 2020

friend of said:
We don't fully realize what death and life actually mean since we are in the temporal realm

fogged, off with the fairies or dreaming, something like that. I lie I bed at night and try to imagine how it would be without the affliction and limitation besetting me on a daily basis......where righteousness rolls like a river and clarity like a crystal sea.

BarneyFife · Dec 31, 2020

friend of said:
We don't fully realize what death and life actually mean since we are in the temporal realm

Life means self-aware, conscious activity and death means cessation of life.

ReChoired · Dec 31, 2020

April_Rose said:
How Do You Define Death?

Like this:

dEATh

What separated Diety ("d") from humanity ("h") was that which they "eat".

Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

CharismaticLady · Dec 31, 2020

BarnyFife said:
So what is your answer to the question?

I believe Jesus was talking about real incidents on both the rich man and Lazarus; and the Good Samaritan. If man wants to call them parables, do they even believe hell is real? How about heaven.

CharismaticLady · Dec 31, 2020

quietthinker said:
the story/parable in itself is not the focus of attention. It is the message conveyed that matters. Miss the message and everything is missed.

Was the rich man asleep, as in soul-sleep? Even if it was a parable, would Jesus lie? I analyze scripture carefully, and see key elements that help me distinguish between fact and fantasy. And I don't mean just soul sleep, but some of the Calvinist key verses that are about the apostles, not everyone.

I respect SDA more than I ever will the two main Reformation doctrines - Calvinism and Lutheranism. Wesley was the only church father from the Reformation era that taught holiness. And so does SDA.

I respect that, but do not belong to any denomination anymore.

ReChoired · Dec 31, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Was the rich man asleep, as in soul-sleep? Even if it was a parable, would Jesus lie?

The rich man, of the parable (context all the way from Luke 14-15) is representative of Judah, and whose 5 brothers were of the same 'mother'. Just because the material in Luke 16 is, definitely, a parable, doesn't ever mean "Jesus lie[d]". What it means is, that most do not understand the symbols used in the parable, or the context of the parable.

ReChoired · Dec 31, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
I analyze scripture carefully

I have not seen that from you. What I have seen is spiritualism.

CharismaticLady · Dec 31, 2020

ReChoired said:
I have not seen that from you. What I have seen is spiritualism.

There are those who deny Him. I am a true worshiper of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

And I do not sin, because I have been truly born again of the Spirit of God. Others believe in the concept, but do not know the reality. As far as spiritualism, you don't know what you are talking about.

18 We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Those who still sin are the true spiritualists, because their father is the devil.

quietthinker · Dec 31, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
There are those who deny Him. I am a true worshiper of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

And I do not sin, because I have been truly born again of the Spirit of God. Others believe in the concept, but do not know the reality. As far as spiritualism, you don't know what you are talking about.

18 We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Those who still sin are the true spiritualists, because their father is the devil.

being thankful for forgiveness is a present continuous mindset that knows itself and ones weaknesses.

Nancy · Dec 31, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Seeing as the Psalms were written in the Old Testament/Old Covenant, the righteous went to Abrahams bosom, and the evil went to the other side, and in between there was a great gulf. Only Christians (after Christ's death and resurrection go straight to heaven, and the wicked to outer darkness. (Not for sure about the last part.)

I've always thought that when someone saw a ghost now, they would have to be either a demon or an unsaved person. The dead in Christ are with God. What do you think about ghosts and aliens? I think they are all demons, but could be wrong about ghosts. Aliens are demons, for sure.

Hello my long lost friend,

"What do you think about ghosts and aliens?"

As far as Aliens...there is nothing in scripture that would even infer to them, other than what you already think. as do I...they are demons living within the atmosphere and are able to influence all humans...yes, Christians too, who are not well brought up in the faith, and will not be able to recognize his "wiles".
That "outer darkness" is so hard (for me) to understand. Haven't looked at it in awhile as...it's one of those things I "put on the shelf" for later contemplation.

and, if it is not "salvific" in any way...meh?

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