You're saying visit church? Our Church does hold meetings, so I'm not against that unless you're a high risk individual of death from COVID-19. Then online meetings until the vaccine is available seems appropriate. Cheers.
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You're saying visit church? Our Church does hold meetings, so I'm not against that unless you're a high risk individual of death from COVID-19. Then online meetings until the vaccine is available seems appropriate. Cheers.
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Basically yes. Those who feel intimidated by the idea, stay home. But here's the strange part. If those who go suddenly become carriers and many in the congregation become sick (i.e. it passes an individual test such as a trial like Job had or to that effect), then maybe all should stay home and question why there's a possible disconnect with the Lord. The whole church is not going to have a trial like Job, so if they spread it they are like anyone else. The lord will protect his own and not tell them to do something that is dangerous. Again, I don't take the stance that a Christian cannot get sick, but if they do, there's a reason. It can be a test, sin, or as Jesus said to show the glory of God with healing. But a whole church like any other carnal person?
A Leftist troll (Rene Loup) comes on board and tries to pretend that he is a champion for the truth. I trust people are watching your shenanigans and making up their own minds.
@Enoch111
I am willing to end this debate on one condition: Either accept or decline the challenge.
Whatever your decision is, I will be content.
If you accept, then we will continue the debate like two, mature, rational men.
If you decline, I will respect your wishes not to continue this discussion inside of this topic.
As children learning to play sports, it is not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. The both of us and all observers could really benefit from this discussion, something that truth-seekers are REQUIRED to do.
You have until December 31, 2020 to make your final decision. Otherwise, I will assume you forfeit this debate.
Please and thank you.
On December 30, 2020, at roughly 9:25 AM Eastern Time, I have made an attempt to improve the quality of writing in this post. I am still learning because I am a fallible human being.
I am willing to end this debate on one condition: Either accept or decline the challenge.
Whatever your decision is, I will be content.
If you accept, then we will continue the debate like two, mature, rational men.
If you decline, I will respect your wishes not to continue this discussion inside of this topic.
As children learning to play sports, it is not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. The both of us and all observers could really benefit from this discussion, something that truth-seekers are REQUIRED to do.
You have until December 31, 2020 to make your final decision. Otherwise, I will assume you forfeit this debate.
Please and thank you.
On December 30, 2020, at roughly 9:25 AM Eastern Time, I have made an attempt to improve the quality of writing in this post. I am still learning because I am a fallible human being.
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historyb
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No, I am not the Holy Spirit, but He indwells in me, like every other saved Christian.[3][4]
NEVER say something like that nor anything similar to that, to me nor to ANYONE ELSE for the sake of winning an online argument![1]
It is NEVER worth the risk of losing your eternal salvation![2]
- Luke 11:14-23, Mark 3:20-30, Matthew 12:22-32
- Luke 9:25, Mark 8:36, Matthew 16:26
- Acts 6:5, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 5:18, Romans 8:11, 2 Timothy 1:14
- 16 Bible verses about Indwelling Of The Holy Spirit
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I found this list of pastors that either died or contracted the Coronavirus, it's fairly educational, not sure how they might have changed things to avoid this problem: pastors that got coronavirus - Google Search
Here's a couple of the stories:
Conservative pastor who said "I'm not going to get the coronavirus" gets the coronavirus
Pastor dies of COVID-19 weeks after Fontana megachurch reopened for indoor services
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-church-dies-coronavirus/
Maybe your one of the people that say, "well it was God's plan", but for me I don't think God wants people to die, I think his will is life and good health for man, and such is the resurrection of Jesus the Christ not to mention the healing he performs from time to time.
Here's a couple of the stories:
Conservative pastor who said "I'm not going to get the coronavirus" gets the coronavirus
Pastor dies of COVID-19 weeks after Fontana megachurch reopened for indoor services
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-church-dies-coronavirus/
Maybe your one of the people that say, "well it was God's plan", but for me I don't think God wants people to die, I think his will is life and good health for man, and such is the resurrection of Jesus the Christ not to mention the healing he performs from time to time.
Arkansas has an interesting Covid-19 church list, I'm reading thru it, but basically if you a high risk person play it safe: ADH releases list of churches with COVID-19 infections, recommends following guidelines
"Churches provide a space where the virus can easily spread, Mirivel said. She stopped short of calling them “hotspots,” but acknowledged they can be problematic if guidelines aren’t followed.
“They’re indoors, people are singing, there’s speaking,” Mirivel said. “If you’re not socially distanced, that would be a risk.”
"Churches provide a space where the virus can easily spread, Mirivel said. She stopped short of calling them “hotspots,” but acknowledged they can be problematic if guidelines aren’t followed.
“They’re indoors, people are singing, there’s speaking,” Mirivel said. “If you’re not socially distanced, that would be a risk.”
@Enoch111
I am going to respectfully call off this challenge and walk away from this. I cannot force you to adopt the same kind of research and fact-checking as I do. You have free will. I am very sorry for this getting as personal as it did.
This is where the Serenity Prayer[1] comes in:
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."
I am going to respectfully call off this challenge and walk away from this. I cannot force you to adopt the same kind of research and fact-checking as I do. You have free will. I am very sorry for this getting as personal as it did.
This is where the Serenity Prayer[1] comes in:
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."
- James 1:5, Philippians 4:11, 2 Timothy 1:7
historyb
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You made yourself the same level. You ar a troll or just a nut to put yourself on the same level as if your God. That's the problem with people like you thinking they can take the Bible and make it say anything they want to it leads to the heresy you peddle or worse and that verse isn't talking about talking smack to you dude because you ain't nothing or know one special like everyone else.
I have been watching your shenanigans for some time now... It is sad that you think you are representing a Christian perspective on things... You have ingested the koolaid of conspiracy theories.... Thankfully most people in Canada understand that they need to follow scientific research on covid and listen to the doctors. You do NOT reflect Canadian opinion.
I agree and fact is, there are people in Churches catching covid-19, the Churches are not invulnerable to this virus, covid-19 does not discriminate when it comes to denominations either, it can get into a Catholic Church gathering and it can get into a Pentecostal Church gathering....
But God's idea of Church is not a building, God's idea of Church is we the Christians with the Holy Spirit living in us, and because we have the Holy Spirit living in us, we can also connect spiritually from thousands of kilometres away through Online services, we can also pray for each other online, over the phone, God still answers prayers that way.
If God doesn't lead you to go somewhere, obey the restrictions, even obey lockdown restrictions or it will only get you into trouble.... God is above government, but the government is above us.
The only exemption from government lockdowns and restrictions, is if God specifically tells you to do something, if not then obey the restrictions, obey the lockdowns, if you have finished what He has specifically told you to do, also obey restrictions and obey lockdowns....
The main point "is you have to be personally led by God to do anything else" outside of restrictions during these times or you will get into trouble, otherwise you obey the government restrictions.
That is my message for anybody thinking of breaking restrictions.
My entire province is under lock down right now... I live up North.... and there are not so many cases up here... so for now.. our lock down is for two weeks...and in the south... the lock down is for 28 days.... This decision will be assessed and further decisions will come from observing the numbers... The big cities are hot spots... and the fact that people are choosing NOT to obey the protocols set in place is a HUGE ISSUE.
Our finance minister Rod Phillips decided to ignore these mandates and chose to take his family on a Christmas holiday in St. Bart's... Our premier has DEMANDED that he return to Canada immediately.... I truly hope this man loses his position and is forced to step down.
I am so sick and tired of people doing as they wish... complaining about Christian rights being taken away... and choosing to cause chaos at a time where peace and unity is needed. We are in troubled times... and this is all NEW... and we have ALL been inconvenienced... to call this the removal of our rights is clearly very selfish.
Our finance minister Rod Phillips decided to ignore these mandates and chose to take his family on a Christmas holiday in St. Bart's... Our premier has DEMANDED that he return to Canada immediately.... I truly hope this man loses his position and is forced to step down.
I am so sick and tired of people doing as they wish... complaining about Christian rights being taken away... and choosing to cause chaos at a time where peace and unity is needed. We are in troubled times... and this is all NEW... and we have ALL been inconvenienced... to call this the removal of our rights is clearly very selfish.
So I'm out for my morning walk, and I see this guy approaching, and it's the guy that goes down to the Catholic church below my house 3 times a week. He doesn't ever wear a mask and I try to maintain 6 feet from the guy and I also put on my mask when he approaches. He giggles at me when I put on my mask.
So today I'm trying to avoid him and he walks straight at me, so I go further up the hill, cause he's crossing the street to get on the sidewalk I'm on. He veers straight at me again, so I walk further up the hill and motion to him to pass below me, and say "I'm trying to keep my distance". He still walks at me and above me in about 4 feet from and and says "You're a weirdo, yeah keep going".
I turned and looked back at him and said "Yeah you are strange".
I'm in a high risk group of death from the coronavirus and it would be nice if that guy would be like everyone else I walk by and at least pretend that he cares if I live or die.
On other occasions I watched him picking up garbage from the roadside where I live, which is full of IV drug users and homeless people. So on one occasion I decided and care about the guy enough to say "Maybe you shouldn't pick that garbage up with your bare hands as most of it is from the drug users and homeless that are also drug users and you could get a disease from it". He looked at me with a smile on his face and said "I can do whatever I want".
Anybody have any advice for me? I cringe when I have to walk by the guy as he's probably a festering pot for disease and I would rather not have the guy veering at me when I try to avoid him.
Thanks,
Devin
So today I'm trying to avoid him and he walks straight at me, so I go further up the hill, cause he's crossing the street to get on the sidewalk I'm on. He veers straight at me again, so I walk further up the hill and motion to him to pass below me, and say "I'm trying to keep my distance". He still walks at me and above me in about 4 feet from and and says "You're a weirdo, yeah keep going".
I turned and looked back at him and said "Yeah you are strange".
I'm in a high risk group of death from the coronavirus and it would be nice if that guy would be like everyone else I walk by and at least pretend that he cares if I live or die.
On other occasions I watched him picking up garbage from the roadside where I live, which is full of IV drug users and homeless people. So on one occasion I decided and care about the guy enough to say "Maybe you shouldn't pick that garbage up with your bare hands as most of it is from the drug users and homeless that are also drug users and you could get a disease from it". He looked at me with a smile on his face and said "I can do whatever I want".
Anybody have any advice for me? I cringe when I have to walk by the guy as he's probably a festering pot for disease and I would rather not have the guy veering at me when I try to avoid him.
Thanks,
Devin
I wish, out my front door is the sidewalk which is in the path of the guy traveling to the Catholic church. I can only walk on the side walk as it is the safest place to be. The people that drive by here run every thing over from squirrels to cats, dogs and even hit birds. I've almost been hit by cars also and you have to be really careful walking even on the sidewalk. We do have a small yard but it kinda belongs to my neighbors and I don't feel comfortable using it.
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