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Nothing in the passage says there were not plants yet. That is an assumption on your part, in fact, before this passage it says their was not man to till the ground, if there is no plants, no man is needed to till, so by this alone, it shows man came after.

in Gen 1 it shows these came the third day. Before any animal life was even created, the plant and grass came first

it also says he created man in his own image on day 6.

so either you have Gen 2 contradicting Gen 1. Or you are flat out misinterpreting Gen 2.

there are no other options my friend


You should take your own advice, and stop arguing with people, and argue with the word, because the word has proven you to be in error
first thanks for your reply, second, your third ERROR of the Day. lets take this one step at a time.

#1. you said, "Nothing in the passage says there were not plants yet" have you not read? listen. Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."
ok Eternally Grateful, how much of "EVERY" plant was left out? none, and the scripture said, "Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth". now I'll stop right here, please tell us, was there any plants in, the earth yet... yes or no.

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First thanks for the reply, second, NO, it's only one CREATION ACCOUNT, chapter 2 is a detailed account of Chapter 1. also, no Nancy, that's a good point you made, because some of the rain did come out of the Ground. and two, this is an open fourm, you can reply to any point put forth. I like good thinking christian, who has an open mind instead of having blinders on. see, those little bits of information, like that, leads to better information in the knowledge of God. many would not have known that fact, as also this one. there was water "ABOVE" the Ground, or ABOVE the surface of the planet, as well as below. supportive scripture, 2 Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

and today scientists are detecting water everywhere in space, and in many forms. the Book of Genesis is loaded with scientific information, like Retrograde and prograde motion, precession or nutation of the object's rotational axis, or the Apogee, and pedigree of the moon and the sun. and when it comes to the different kinds/types of Eco systems here on earth, one can only wonder in amazement at how GREAT our God is.

so, never think you're getting between anyone or anything with me, I love imput from others..

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Awesome "Spiritual Saboteur" :)
Thank you, I like others input as well, it's as long as they are kind about it, at the very least!
2 Peter 3:5 seems to speak to the false teachers telling others that His return is not true and the world will go on as ie always had...making it sound as if God doesn't intervene in the world, and that they forgot how the origins of the world came to be. Hmm, even back then folks were skewing His word.
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Awesome "Spiritual Saboteur" :)
Thank you, I like others input as well, it's as long as they are kind about it, at the very least!
2 Peter 3:5 seems to speak to the false teachers telling others that His return is not true and the world will go on as ie always had...making it sound as if God doesn't intervene in the world, and that they forgot how the origins of the world came to be. Hmm, even back then folks were skewing His word.
his blessings abundant!
first thanks for the reply, second, as being Kind in response, as you can see, I thank poster every time, and I use different emoji in laughter, and other ways I have a ball discussing the Word of God. but I'm also like the apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
1 Corinthians 9:23 "And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." BINGO, that's my attitude. so if one want to discuss the word of GOD and be civilized in doing so, I'm all in. but if one want to act ignorant, I can meet that demand also. because as the apostle again, Philippians 4:11 "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
Philippians 4:12 "I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need." BINGO.
Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." that's it. that's why I can never be offended, there is nothing said, that can hurt 101G. I'M content, for the Joy of the Lord is upon me. that's why I have a good time in the Word of God.

it feel GOOD, no..... I feel like what Tony the tiger said, "it feels GREAT" to be made FREE. amen... thank God. God is GREAT, and being in him, I'm great because of HIM, and not me. so I'M satisfied .... I have no worries.

be blessed in the Lord.

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first thanks for the reply, second, as being Kind in response, as you can see, I thank poster every time, and I use different emoji in laughter, and other ways I have a ball discussing the Word of God. but I'm also like the apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
1 Corinthians 9:23 "And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." BINGO, that's my attitude. so if one want to discuss the word of GOD and be civilized in doing so, I'm all in. but if one want to act ignorant, I can meet that demand also. because as the apostle again, Philippians 4:11 "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
Philippians 4:12 "I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need." BINGO.
Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." that's it. that's why I can never be offended, there is nothing said, that can hurt 101G. I'M content, for the Joy of the Lord is upon me. that's why I have a good time in the Word of God.

it feel GOOD, no..... I feel like what Tony the tiger said, "it feels GREAT" to be made FREE. amen... thank God. God is GREAT, and being in him, I'm great because of HIM, and not me. so I'M satisfied .... I have no worries.

be blessed in the Lord.

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"there is nothing said, that can hurt 101G. I'M content, for the Joy of the Lord is upon me. that's why I have a good time in the Word of God."

It's all in attitude I'd say :) Contentment in ANY situation is key. Too bad some of us (yes, including myself) are so sensitive and can get hurt easily. So then..."...all things to all people..." :) Coming down hard on someone like that, I think is not a good thing as, they will not hear the message but, will be feeling hurt and un loved by a bro or sis. I know several on here do not think the they must love their bros and sis's, and have no problem letting others know it. Goes against everything God commands us :O.
You're a good guy 101 and, I do enjoy your posts, even if we do not see eye to eye on some things, we have the main tenets in common.
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101G is correct. Man rose the the Third Day.

The fact that Jesus rose on the Third Day, reflects this important fact.

I noticed that whenever this subject comes up, some folks have trouble with Genesis 2:5. Either they ignore the verse or they do not understand it.

I personally prefer the KJV, however the NLT does a great job of teaching that Man rose on Day 3...

Genesis 2:4-7 (New Living Translation)
"...When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil. Instead, springs came up from the ground and watered all the land. Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground."


And there you have it. God formed Man *before* any other form of life was created.

So what about this verse?

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."


That happened on Day 6. So which is it? Was Man created on Day 3 or Day 6?

The answer is: YES!!!

God originally created Adam and Ishshah (Woman). Unfortunately, they died... remember?

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


Oh that's right. You don't believe God. So instead you teach that they 'Spiritually Died' (whatever that means) so you can play 'make believe' in your Hearts that Adam and Ishshah didn't die at all.

No, you would rather believe the Serpent...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"


I choose to believe God. Adam and Ishshah DIED the same day they ate the Forbidden Fruit, just as God had warned. They were toast. In other words, Dead Dead (Twice Dead).

And so...

Genesis 2:17 is all about *re-creating* Man, because the first two passed away... again, just as God warned.
 
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"there is nothing said, that can hurt 101G. I'M content, for the Joy of the Lord is upon me. that's why I have a good time in the Word of God."

It's all in attitude I'd say :) Contentment in ANY situation is key. Too bad some of us (yes, including myself) are so sensitive and can get hurt easily. So then..."...all things to all people..." :) Coming down hard on someone like that, I think is not a good thing as, they will not hear the message but, will be feeling hurt and un loved by a bro or sis. I know several on here do not think the they must love their bros and sis's, and have no problem letting others know it. Goes against everything God commands us :O.
You're a good guy 101 and, I do enjoy your posts, even if we do not see eye to eye on some things, we have the main tenets in common.
God Bless brothe,r
nancy
first thanks for the reply. Nancy, this is what FAMILY is all about, even we might gut bust one another, and gouge each other eyes out, or stomp on other feet. and as you said, not see eye to eye alway, this is what make a family strong. at the end of the day we all come home and wash off the day's hurts and bumps, because, (we're God children), but eventually we GROW UP. when I was a child, I acted as a child, but when I became a man I put away childish things. well everyone is not yet grown up. so who are, advoid the rough and the tumble of the day to day. as said, for me if you bring it I can handle it, I know how to be abased as well as abound, and be nice about both. but as said at the end of the day we all are brothers and sisters in christ. for some, not all, (we know that we're brother and sisters, and no words are need because they are expressed in our hearts). for there are some here I can discuss with and may not agree, and still both of us are not offended. that's adulthood. but some who are HARDHEADED, as the apostle said, "I'm all things for all men"..... :D

so anytime you want a conversation with me it will be civilized, and informative.

be blessed. your brother in Christ,

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first thanks for the reply. Nancy, this is what FAMILY is all about, even we might gut bust one another, and gouge each other eyes out, or stomp on other feet. and as you said, not see eye to eye alway, this is what make a family strong. at the end of the day we all come home and wash off the day's hurts and bumps, because, (we're God children), but eventually we GROW UP. when I was a child, I acted as a child, but when I became a man I put away childish things. well everyone is not yet grown up. so who are, advoid the rough and the tumble of the day to day. as said, for me if you bring it I can handle it, I know how to be abased as well as abound, and be nice about both. but as said at the end of the day we all are brothers and sisters in christ. for some, not all, (we know that we're brother and sisters, and no words are need because they are expressed in our hearts). for there are some here I can discuss with and may not agree, and still both of us are not offended. that's adulthood. but some who are HARDHEADED, as the apostle said, "I'm all things for all men"..... :D

so anytime you want a conversation with me it will be civilized, and informative.

be blessed. your brother in Christ,

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101G is correct. Man rose the the Third Day.

The fact that Jesus rose on the Third Day, reflects this important fact.

I noticed that whenever this subject comes up, some folks have trouble with Genesis 2:5. Either they ignore the verse or they do not understand it.

I personally prefer the KJV, however the NLT does a great job of teaching that Man rose on Day 3...

Genesis 2:4-7 (New Living Translation)
"...When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil. Instead, springs came up from the ground and watered all the land. Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground."


And there you have it. God formed Man *before* any other form of life was created.

So what about this verse?

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."


That happened on Day 6. So which is it? Was Man created on Day 3 or Day 6?

The answer is: YES!!!

God originally created Adam and Ishshah (Woman). Unfortunately, they died... remember?

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


Oh that's right. You don't believe God. So instead you teach that they 'Spiritually Died' (whatever that means) so you can play 'make believe' in your Hearts that Adam and Ishshah didn't die at all.

No, you would rather believe the Serpent...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"


I choose to believe God. Adam and Ishshah DIED the same day they ate the Forbidden Fruit, just as God had warned. They were toast. In other words, Dead Dead (Twice Dead).

And so...

Genesis 2:17 is all about *re-creating* Man, because the first two passed away... again, just as God warned.

Hi Base, I understand most of your post but, how did A&E die physically, that very day when God told them that They would have sweat of the brow... childbirths, woman desiring their husbands and that, along with having the man rule over the woman. This is interesting. Really have to go over all of this! Thanks for sharing as, I thought they died spiritually too ... oops!
 

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Wonderfully Put my brother,
Now, give me my dolly back, or I'm telling Papa!!! :D
only one thing............... :p

Hi Base, I understand most of your post but, how did A&E die physically, that very day when God told them that They would have sweat of the brow... childbirths, woman desiring their husbands and that, along with having the man rule over the woman. This is interesting. Really have to go over all of this! Thanks for sharing as, I thought they died spiritually too ... oops!
not trying to answer for B12, but the death here, (Spirituslly) here is a cut off from the KNOWLEDGE of God. meaning without God lead and teaching. because the eating was, "TO MAKE ONE WISE". instead of Spirit lead they became self-aware or followed, or now, following the flesh. the apostle Paul makes it clear, Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

they died without the KNOWLRDGE of God, so they was dead, or disobedient to God, supportive scripture, Ephesians 2:1 "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"

Ephesians 2:12 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

we were "cut off"/dead to God. without life, and the hope of it..... DEAD to God.

hope that help

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Just got in touch with a theologian friend of mine.
He showed me something neat with the creation account.

Day one..........light........day 4......sun moon, stars

Day 2..............air, land/sea...day 5.....birds, fish

Day 3............. vegetation......day 6.....animals, man.

In the creation account there is symmetry and balance.
But also a focus... mankind was the balance and focus of creation. Meaning that there's a symbiosis of man with the whole Earth. Man cannot exist without the natural order of things...nor can the natural order exist without man. If any part of the natural order is not in balance there becomes an imbalance and the whole thing falls apart like a tinker toy sea saw.

And since the seventh day is not part of the balance... DON'T Work on that day or else your life will be unbalanced. Do just like God did and take a day off.


If this doesn't make sense... don't sweat it....it is in the funnel for canned sermons and your local pastor will regurgitate it soon enough.
the natural order can exist without man, it was all here before man. any place on the earth where there isn't man or wasn't man the earth and the wild life therein thrived.

every living thing has to make way so to speak for the presence of man in the earth. nature takes over almost immediately if man abandons a place.
actually man is a burden to the earth, not a benefit to it. God gave man His place in the earth to execute God's Judgement in the earth which is Life. but man's judgement is death and results is death, because its not God's Judgement which is Life.

hence as the bible mentions, the earth awaits the presence or manifestation of the sons of God.
 

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"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

now go back to chapter 1 and see when the plants and grass came on the earth?

now, two things, "before anything grew", there was no rain, but a mist "watered" the .... WHOLE face of the ground, did you understand that fully?

now I ask you, can you get dust from where moister is at? ... the answer is NO. so we suggest you re-read the Genesis account.
"before it was in the earth" simply means, God created everything finished, it did not grow from a seed in the earth, nor did it evolve. Birds btw, did not come from the sea either, fish did, including some sea dwelling mammals. You are correct, that there was no rain, but a mist. Likely the earth was wet given that initially it was covered with water, then God separated the waters. The "dust of the earth" just means the dirt, whether dry or wet, dirt is composed of the many elements that we are made of: Oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorous, potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, magnesium, silicon, iron, zinc, copper , manganese, selenium and other trace minerals.
Many misunderstand what appears to be two accounts of Creation in Gen. 1 & 2 and that they appear to be contradicting each other.
That is flawed thinking. The Bible does not contradict itself, it supports itself in harmony.

Genesis 1 presents an outline, structure and order of creation. Genesis 2 goes back and fills in the details. This literary structure is used throughout the Bible, a general summary outlined paragraph, or in this case, chapter is given and then the author goes back and fills in the details.

Gen. 2:19 is just a detail ( not mentioned in chapter one), that God made the land animals and birds (also out of the dust of the earth). Then another detail, and God brought them to Adam so he could name them. Notice he didn't bring the fish to Adam to name - just details. This does not imply animals were made after man nor does it conflict with the order clearly presented in chapter one.

Gen. 1:21 says all the fish and mammals of the sea and birds were created on day 5.

On Day 6, all land animals and man were created.

Genesis 1 is a wide –angle view of creation, which surveys the cosmos as a whole, Genesis 2 zooms on the details. Genesis 1 does not name a person, or assigns orders, it just speaks of creation of heaven and earth. It is the prologue to the entire book of Genesis with the initial conditions of creation. Humans are not seen doing anything in Gen. 1.

In Genesis 2 they are entrusted with dominion, naming and governing animals, multiplying and filling the earth – details.
 
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first thanks for your reply, second, your third ERROR of the Day. lets take this one step at a time.

#1. you said, "Nothing in the passage says there were not plants yet" have you not read? listen. Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."
ok Eternally Grateful, how much of "EVERY" plant was left out? none, and the scripture said, "Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth". now I'll stop right here, please tell us, was there any plants in, the earth yet... yes or no.

your reply

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This says before the lord watered the ground there were no plants.
It does not say there were no plants before man

again Gen 1 states the plants came before man. There is no more argument, scripture is confirmed. Man came after, not before
 

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Genesis 1 presents an outline, structure and order of creation. Genesis 2 goes back and fills in the details. This literary structure is used throughout the Bible, a general summary outlined paragraph, or in this case, chapter is given and then the author goes back and fills in the details.
Thanks for the reply, you're 100% correct, chapter 2 is a detaile account of chapter 1.

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This says before the lord watered the ground there were no plants.
It does not say there were no plants before man

again Gen 1 states the plants came before man. There is no more argument, scripture is confirmed. Man came after, not before
Lord have mercy, look Eternally Grateful, on put down ok, but maybe this is not for you, because you're not grasping the words written. but again no put down ok...

but I'll try one more time, now look at what you said, "Gen 1 states the plants came before man. There is no more argument, scripture is confirmed. Man came after, not before".
is this before MAN, or before "MANDKIND, meaning male and female, that was created on day 6.... did you grasp what I really said? look at it again, was Man here on the Planet after plants or was it Mankind meaning the male and the female, after the plants.... (smile).

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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Hi Base, I understand most of your post but, how did A&E die physically, that very day when God told them that They would have sweat of the brow... childbirths, woman desiring their husbands and that, along with having the man rule over the woman. This is interesting. Really have to go over all of this! Thanks for sharing as, I thought they died spiritually too ... oops!

Hey Nancy. Good to speak with you again.

You may be aware of the fact that I am a Christian who believes that Jesus taught Reincarnation. If you didn't know, well now you do... lol. Because I have this unique perspective, I am able to interpret Genesis from that viewpoint.

The story of Adam and Eve is not just about the creation of Man, it is about what happens to the Unsaved.

One of the biggest mistakes Christians make about the Genesis Creation Account is to assume that God made Earth and the Universe as we know it now. What they are not recognizing is that the original Creation was not 'physical' like we see today. It was more of a 'Spirit World' like we would picture Heaven to be.

When Adam and Ishshah partook of the Forbidden Fruit, that Spirit World 'fell' into the physical Universe we have now. I personally believe that this event is what the world of Science calls the Big Bang. The Fall of Adam and Eve created our Universe once they became Conscious Observers. At that moment, the Wave Function collapsed into the Particle, and the two died as a result.

I believe the 'opening of the Eyes' is a picture of the Resurrection of the Damned...

John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."


Adam and Ishshah's eyes were opened as a result of being Resurrected.

Their Eyes were also opened to the fact that they did something profoundly wicked and were about to be judged for it. Thus, we also have a picture of Judgment Day...

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."


Ishshah's punishment was to be *Reincarnated*. Yes, that is what Judgement Day is all about for the Unsaved. It is to declare fair and just punishment to be served in the next life. Christians have no idea that this is how we ended up here to begin with.

Ishshah's new body will now have a Womb. She will now have Children through a new process called 'Conception'. Before that, Humans were made from the Dust of the Ground and Ribs (Cloning).

This 'New Creation' had to be given a new name, hence...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."


Now it should make sense why a new name was given and why Eve was to now become the Mother of All Living. She has an entirely new physiology.

Adam's name remained the same, however his punishment was to experience the harshness of the Laws of Physics and Entropy in his new body. The 'ground' or physical matter is now cursed (fallen).

Instead of a Womb, Adam gets the Seed of the Serpent. Yep, that's what we Men have between our feet.

Here is the Reincarnation part...

Genesis 3:21
"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."


The so called 'Skins' are the bodies we have now...

Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."


The Flaming Sword and Cherubim are a picture of the Lake of Fire that Adam and Eve are 'passed through'...

Genesis 3:24
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


The Flaming Sword is also a picture of DNA and the Lake of Fire is a portal to a new Earth Mother.

I describe all of this in my latest film...

 
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Hey Nancy. Good to speak with you again.

You may be aware of the fact that I am a Christian who believes that Jesus taught Reincarnation. If you didn't know, well now you do... lol. Because I have this unique perspective, I am able to interpret Genesis from that viewpoint.

The story of Adam and Eve is not just about the creation of Man, it is about what happens to the Unsaved.

One of the biggest mistakes Christians make about the Genesis Creation Account is to assume that God made Earth and the Universe as we know it now. What they are not recognizing is that the original Creation was not 'physical' like we see today. It was more of a 'Spirit World' like we would picture Heaven to be.

When Adam and Ishshah partook of the Forbidden Fruit, that Spirit World 'fell' into the physical Universe we have now. I personally believe that this event is what the world of Science calls the Big Bang. The Fall of Adam and Eve created our Universe once they became Conscious Observers. At that moment, the Wave Function collapsed into the Particle, and the two died as a result.

I believe the 'opening of the Eyes' is a picture of the Resurrection of the Damned...

John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."


Adam and Ishshah's eyes were opened as a result of being Resurrected.

Their Eyes were also opened to the fact that they did something profoundly wicked and were about to be judged for it. Thus, we also have a picture of Judgment Day...

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."


Ishshah's punishment was to be *Reincarnated*. Yes, that is what Judgement Day is all about for the Unsaved. It is to declare fair and just punishment to be served in the next life. Christians have no idea that this is how we ended up here to begin with.

Ishshah's new body will now have a Womb. She will now have Children through a new process called 'Conception'. Before that, Humans were made from the Dust of the Ground and Ribs (Cloning).

This 'New Creation' had to be given a new name, hence...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."


Now it should make sense why a new name was given and why Eve was to now become the Mother of All Living. She has an entirely new physiology.

Adam's name remained the same, however his punishment was to experience the harshness of the Laws of Physics and Entropy in his new body. The 'ground' or physical matter is now cursed (fallen).

Instead of a Womb, Adam gets the Seed of the Serpent. Yep, that's what we Men have between our feet.

Here is the Reincarnation part...

Genesis 3:21
"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."


The so called 'Skins' are the bodies we have now...

Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."


The Flaming Sword and Cherubim are a picture of the Lake of Fire that Adam and Eve are 'passed through'...

Genesis 3:24
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


The Flaming Sword is also a picture of DNA and the Lake of Fire is a portal to a new Earth Mother.

I describe all of this in my latest film...


Ah yes, now I remember...you believe in reincarnation. Well brother, that is not a subject I believe I can take on, lol. As far as the "skins" go, I do believe it was the first animal sacrifice that took place, and somehow, I believe that God made Adam kill his friend as, they were all living in harmony and ate the same foods so...I'd think it hurt Adam to have to do that. No scripture verses to prove this yet...it is what always comes to me.

Thanks for your input brother!
nancy
 

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Lord have mercy, look Eternally Grateful, on put down ok, but maybe this is not for you, because you're not grasping the words written. but again no put down ok...

but I'll try one more time, now look at what you said, "Gen 1 states the plants came before man. There is no more argument, scripture is confirmed. Man came after, not before".
is this before MAN, or before "MANDKIND, meaning male and female, that was created on day 6.... did you grasp what I really said? look at it again, was Man here on the Planet after plants or was it Mankind meaning the male and the female, after the plants.... (smile).

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
I just take the word for what it says

Adam was created on day 6 as he was the father of mankind

chapter 2 does not tell us the plants were created after man. It says before the water came there was no plant, then their was water, (which would have watered the plants) then mankind was made

and do me a favor. Don’t tell me to put down, or maybe it is not for me, or I am not grasping something, one thing I can not stand is an arrogant know it all.
 

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To nobody in particular.

Jesus states, and I quote...

Matthew 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"


Many Christians simply do not have the capacity to Truly LOVE the Unsaved. Rather, they have no problem in the world with the thought of another Human burning and being tormented ad infinitum, simply because they chose the wrong religion.

Lack of empathy is a huge problem nowadays. Especially in Christians. :rolleyes:

I get it.

The Day Star has yet to arise in your Hearts...

2 Peter 1:19
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"


Funny word... 'Day Star'. What is that anyhow?

Strong's 5459: Phósphoros
Definition: light-bringing, the morning star


Strong's Greek: 5459. φωσφόρος (phósphoros) -- light-bringing, the morning star

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Oh, I see. Lucifer. Is God asking us to Love Lucifer the enemy as we Love ourselves?

Could we all in fact have been originally born from the Seed of the Serpent?

(Christian triggering intensifies) :mad:

Lol... good luck with all that 'love thy neighbor' business. Christians? Loving? Give me a break.

Why believe that God is Love when it is so much easier to hate? Let them all burn forever right? What do you care right?

Let us not forget the most important point though...

Anyone who believes God gives second chances will not be able to hang out with the 'cool kids'. No, 'being popular' and 'fitting-in' overrides the Word of God every time. It is best to take the cowards way out than to be persecuted for Truth.

So yes, trust me when I say... I understand you.

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first thanks for the reply, second, we can take your reply as you cannot refute what I said, nor prove your point by the scriptures?
How about if you practice what you preach by proving these points from the scriptures?
as the saying goes, if you get the beginning wrong, then the rest is out of order. :eek: YIKES!.

there is so much information right in the very two to three, or the first six chapter, it would take nearly a lifetime to correctly understand it all.
 

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I'm not really seeing how man is the balance, could you explain more please?
Man is not the balance.
Man is the focus of the balance and there to maintain the balance. (Garden tending)
Man also "named" the animals...to be over the animal world, birds, and fish.
 
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This says before the lord watered the ground there were no plants.
It does not say there were no plants before man

again Gen 1 states the plants came before man. There is no more argument, scripture is confirmed. Man came after, not before
What is being described is a floating forest...
It's a unique situation that doesn't exist much anymore...but there are a few left.
If you Google it you can understand it pretty easily. But basically the tree, shrubs, and grasses form a root system that become the forest floor.
 
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