I came to the conclusion that the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father and Son are roles of Him.
I don't quite understand it, but that's the only answer there is.
I don't quite understand it, but that's the only answer there is.
The Holy Spirit is HE
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There is no point in proving anything with single Bible verses, I have read a lot from the Bible, and over time I have come to this conclusion.
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The proper way to understand the Mystery of God and Christ is this:
God the Father (masculine) is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit
God the Son (masculine) is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit
God the Holy Spirit (masculine) is neither the Father nor the Son
There is at least one person here who is confusing Christ with the Holy Spirit. There are others who flatly reject the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Holy Trinity (the triune Godhead). And then there are some who claim that the Son of God is not God the Son, or that He is not God the Word.
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You’re sounding a bit mystical, Enoch. Do you believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God, or three Gods?
I wouldn't spend too much time trying to figure out God. It should be enough to say there is a Father, Son and Holy Spirit which are all God.
I could say that Jesus has a holy spirit also, and that God the Father has a different holy spirit, and I have experienced this in communion. But I would get argued with. And that's probably what you will find here as there are many that have divers beliefs here. Cheers!
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Is that what I said? And why are you laughing at my idea?
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."
What part about these verses didn't I just indicate to follow?
The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is ONE GOD who exists are THREE divine Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is no doubt that this is beyond human comprehension, hence it is called "the Mystery of God" and "the Mystery of God and Christ".
For there are three that bear record in heaven, [1] the Father, [2] the Word [the Son], and [3] the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of [1] the Father, and of [2] the Son, and of [3] the Holy Ghost: (Mt 28:19)
The [1] grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and [2] the love of God [the Father], and [3] the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. (2 Cor 13:14)
It is only when human beings pretend that they can figure out who God is that we have all the false doctrines of the cults. Every group that rejects the deity of Christ and the Trinity is heretical.
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I know all about the doctrine of the Trinity. I was asking what YOU believe.
I’m not aware of a Bible verse that calls the Trinity “the mystery of God.” Is there one?
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That’s what you implied. I have found some of your theology to be based more on mysticism than on the Bible.
You can't understand God @Prayer Warrior unless your IQ is infinite. Which I'm certain is not. Therefore God is a mystery to man. This is part of the fall of Adam and Eve, thinking they would become like God knowing good and evil. Which is a lie of Satan. Only thru the Holy Spirit do we find out what Good is, Good is God, and evil we will find out if we sin.
You know nothing about my theology. It is somewhat vast as I've grown much in my life. It goes beyond the bible understanding as does man's current knowledge and understanding of things. The bible is a small book. But I think we've been over this topic already. There are a vast number of bible sized books you can read to learn more in Schools to find out more about God's creations.
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; (Col 2:2) [Note: While the Holy Spirit is not explicitly mentioned here, we know from many other Scriptures that He is God]
'The copulative "and" before "the Father", is left out in the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Arabic versions, which read "the mystery of God the Father"; and with it, it may be rendered, as it sometimes is, God, "even the Father": though the word "God" may be considered essentially, and as after distinguished into two of the persons of the Godhead; "the Father" the first person, so called, in relation to his Son, which is no small part of the mystery of the Gospel; and "Christ" the second person, who is equally God with the Father; and the Spirit, who, though not mentioned, is not excluded from this adorable mystery: and which is the mystery "of Christ", he being both the efficient cause and the subject matter of it; it treats of his deity and personality; of his offices, as Mediator, prophet, priest, and King; of his incarnation and redemption; of his grace, righteousness, sacrifice, and satisfaction; of justification by him, pardon through him, and acceptance in him.'
Gill's Commentary on Col 2:2
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev 10:7)
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Many New Age beliefs are derived from the ancient "mystery schools." I think it's important to note that when we talk about the "mysteries" mentioned in the New Testament, we make it clear that these mysteries have been revealed to believers. Here's a list of some of the NT scriptures that mention mysteries. I found this on the Internet.
1. Mystery of Iniquity
The one place where this phrase is used is in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV), where the apostle Paul writes: "For the mystery of iniquity does already work." Other translations render it "mystery of lawlessness."
2 Thessalonians 2:7-9 NKJV
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
2. Mystery of Godliness
1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
3. Mystery of Babylon the Great
Revelation 17:4-7 NASU
4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality,
5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.
7 And the angel said to me, "Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
4. Mysteries of the Kingdom
Matthew 13:10-11 NKJV
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mark 4:10-11 NKJV
10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable.
11 And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,
Luke 8:9-10 NKJV
9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, "What does this parable mean?"
10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.'
5. Mystery of the Bride of Christ
Ephesians 5:30-32 NKJV
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
6. Mystery of the Indwelling Christ
Colossians 1:25-27 NIV
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness—
26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints.
27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
7. Mystery of God
Colossians 2:1-3 NIV
1 I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally.
2 My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,
3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
8. Mystery of the Seven Stars
Revelation 1:19-20 NKJV
19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lamp stands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stands which you saw are the seven churches.
9. Mystery of the Faith
1 Timothy 3:8-9 NKJV
8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
10. Mystery of the Church
Ephesians 3:1-10 NKJV
1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles —
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11. Mystery of the Rapture
1 Corinthians 15:50-52 NKJV
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed —
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
12. Mystery of the Temporary Blindness of Israel
Romans 11:25-27 NKJV
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.
Why are you muddying the waters by mentioning New Age beliefs? Looks like you do not wish to believe what is actually stated in Scripture. Yes, many mysteries are mentioned in the NT, but we are focused on the Mystery of God and Christ.
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