God is Love

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ChristisGod

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A unitarian god cannot know or experience love as a solitary person. A unitarian god cannot know or experience love as a solitary person. That god is incapable of love for the scriptures declare that God is love. It is impossible for that god to love for there was nothing to love before creation. This god would need created beings to love him out of something lacking within his very nature. For someone to love there must be another to share in that love.

God is love because He loves within His own nature. God could not love if He was only one person. God would be contradicting Himself if He was not self sufficient. God is Love means that He has this ability to love within Himself. This is only possible if He is a tri-personal God whom the scriptures declare to be The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is impossible. It is an oxymoron.

The only viable answer to Gods love and that He is love is for God to be Triune in nature which would explain why and how God is love. A false god who is only a solitary person cannot know what love is as there is no one to love. That god is void of love by nature. The only viable answer to Gods love and that He is love is for God to be Triune in nature which would explain why and how God is love.

God is a personal, relational being by His very essence or nature. There are roles within the Godhead that have to do with the tri-personal nature of His being. The Father sends the Son, The Son submits to the Father. The Holy Spirit speaks of and honors the Father and the Son. Jesus said I and the Father are one. We clearly see the relationship of the Triune Godhead in the 14th-16th chapters of John.

Now it is very interesting that when we begin with God(Trinity) we see that He has designed not only man, but the family and the Church to represent and reflect His very own nature. God has designed this order and is clearly seen back in Genesis 1-2.

When God created the first 6 days He declared everything "was good". We read the only time in creation where God said otherwise was when He created man (who was made in His very own image). He used the plural form by saying LET US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness.

But God did not stop there. He said it was NOT GOOD for man to be alone. Why did God say this ? Man was created to be a relational being just like God (trinity). God created woman so that man would not be alone as God is not alone. The two would become ONE just as the Father and the Son are ONE.

Man was to procreate and have a family. Within the family unit Man is the head of the woman. The woman submits to the man. The Son submits to the Father. The Holy Spirit honors both the Father and the Son. The children are to honor their Mother and their Father. This reflects the very nature of God.

Now the same is true of the Church. Christ is the Head of the body. The body consists of Leaders(elder, pastors, teachers etc...)and the flock. The leaders submit to Christ and the flock is to submit to the leaders.

In the above we see the family(husband, wife and children) and the Church(Christ,leaders and the flock) are all designed to reflect the triune nature of God by the relationships and order of these institutions.

God is love because He loves within His own nature. God could not love if He was only one person. God would be contradicting Himself if He was not self sufficient. God is Love means that He has this ability to love within Himself. This is only possible if He is a tri-personal God.

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DPMartin

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na, to the child of God, God is what love is, which is John's view and understanding. and to the wicked God isn't love, God is enmity to their own judgement of what they love.
no unitarian or solitary or group hug philosophy involved. God is also righteous or merciful. to say something isn't what it is because its not seen or manifested or has no opportunity to manifest what it is, ain't to smart.

God's nature is, and always was, and always will be the same. don't you know God never changes? and in this case even from your point of view which is not St. John's, God is love whether He has some one or something to love or not.

and no, miss guided information doesn't help at all.
 

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I see truth and theology is not your strong-suit but thanks anyways for the drive by shooting. Happy New Year to you as well.

I will quote the renown Theologian and one of the greatest minds in Christianity A.W. Tozer from his book the Knowledge of the Holy,

The words “God is love” mean that love is an essential attribute of God. Love is something true of God but it is not God. It expresses the way God is in His unitary being, as do the words holiness, justice, faithfulness and truth. Because God is immutable He always acts like Himself, and because He is a unity He never suspends one of His attributes in order to exercise another.

From God’s other known attributes we may learn much about His love. We can know, for instance, that because God is self-existent, His love had no beginning; because He is eternal, His love can have no end; because He is infinite, it has no limit; because He is holy, it is the quintessence of all spotless purity; because He is immense, His love is an incomprehensibly vast, bottomless, shoreless sea before which we kneel in joyful silence and from which the loftiest eloquence retreats confused and abashed.

A man is the sum of his parts and his character the sum of the traits that compose it. These traits vary from man to man and may from time to time vary from themselves within the same man. Human character is not constant because the traits or qualities that constitute it are unstable. These come and go, burn low or glow with great intensity throughout our lives. Thus a man who is kind and considerate at thirty may be cruel and churlish at fifty. Such a change is possible because man is made; he is in a very real sense a composition; he is the sum of the traits that make up his character.

We naturally and correctly think of man as a work wrought by the divine Intelligence. He is both created and made. How he was created lies undisclosed among the secrets of God; how he was brought from no-being to being, from nothing to something is not known and may never be known to any but the One who brought him forth. How God made him, however, is less of a secret, and while we know only a small portion of the whole truth, we do know that man possesses a body, a soul, and a spirit; we know that he has memory, reason, will, intelligence, sensation, and we know that to give these meaning he has the wondrous gift of consciousness. We know, too, that these, together with various qualities of temperament, compose his total human self.

These are gifts from God arranged by infinite wisdom, notes that make up the score of creations loftiest symphony, threads that compose the master tapestry of the universe.

But in all this we are thinking creature-thoughts and using creature-words to express them. Neither such thoughts nor such words are appropriate to the Deity. ”The Father is made of none,” says the Athanasian Creed, ”neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son: not made nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.” God exists in Himself and of Himself. His being He owes to no one. His substance is indivisible. He has no parts but is single in His unitary being.

The doctrine of the divine unity means not only that there is but one God; it means also that God is simple, uncomplex, one with Himself. The harmony of His being is the result not of a perfect balance of parts but of the absence of parts. Between His attributes no contradiction can exist. He need not suspend one to exercise another, for in Him all His attributes are one. All of God does all that God does; He does not divide himself to perform a work, but works in the total unity of His being.

An attribute, then, is a part of God. It is how God is, and as far as the reasoning mind can go, we may say that it is what God is, though, as I have tried to explain, exactly what He is He cannot tell us. Of what God is conscious when He is conscious of self, only He knows. ”The things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Only to an equal could God communicate the mystery of His Godhead; and to think of God as having an equal is to fall into an intellectual absurdity.

The divine attributes are what we know to be true of God. He does not possess them as qualities; they are how God is as He reveals Himself to His creatures. Love, for instance, is not something God has and which may grow or diminish or cease to be. His love is the way God is, and when He loves He is simply being Himself. And so with the other attributes.

One God! one Majesty!
There is no God but Thee!
Unbounded, unextended Unity!
Unfathomable Sea!
All life is out of Thee,
and Thy life is Thy blissful Unity.
Frederick W. Faber
 

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God the Father inhabits eternity, descended to become a Man; and that Man also rose and ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) to inhabit eternity once again.

Therefore there are two (that I am speaking of in the present moment) in eternity who are the same God and the same Person.

And of course love exists between these two.
 

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God could not love if He was only one person.
You are trying to fathom God with this statement. How do you know this is true, since the Bible says nothing of the sort?

The Bible simply says that God is love. Which includes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The triune Godhead.

The Bible also says that God (the Father) so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins and rise again for our justification. Thus the love of God offers eternal life freely to all who will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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You are trying to fathom God with this statement. How do you know this is true, since the Bible says nothing of the sort?

The Bible simply says that God is love. Which includes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The triune Godhead.

The Bible also says that God (the Father) so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins and rise again for our justification. Thus the love of God offers eternal life freely to all who will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sound it out enoch . Sound it out . Eternal life is found only In JESUS CHRIST . YE must believe in HIM and confess Him by the mouth
in order to be saved . Thats right my friend . SOUND IT OUT .
 
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The son that was given shall be called the everlasting Father; the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall perform this (Isaiah 9:6-7).

In order to deny this, you have to engage in eisegesis and change the wording of the kjv not once, but twice.

God is defined as the Father in 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv), and Romans 15:6.

So, John 1:1 might be algebraically rendered,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father, and the Word was the Father."

The Father became flesh and dwelt among us. Before He became flesh, He dwelt side-by-side with His risen self who would ascend to fill all things (time and eternity).
 

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Sounds to me like someone is in dire grave danger of blasphemy up in here .
Trying to figure God out with the carnal mind . Very dangerous indeed .
Chris , if i were you i would retract that post and quickly .
 

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You are trying to fathom God with this statement. How do you know this is true, since the Bible says nothing of the sort?

The Bible simply says that God is love. Which includes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The triune Godhead.

The Bible also says that God (the Father) so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins and rise again for our justification. Thus the love of God offers eternal life freely to all who will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
how could you ever know love by yourself, isolated ?
 

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Do we explain God by comparing Him to mortal men? Do explain Him by using even our own logic alone?

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good" Num 23:19

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9
 
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God is love because He loves within His own nature. God could not love if He was only one person.
There are roles within the Godhead that have to do with the tri-personal nature of His being. The Father sends the Son, The Son submits to the Father. The Holy Spirit speaks of and honors the Father and the Son.
Man, you trinitarians just come up with such superfluous logic, that have now become implicitly accepted clichés that nobody thinks through?
You said it yourself, the aseity of God necessitates His independency, and since each person of the trinity is redundantly identical to one another, then one person is as complete as the other, and thus, noncontingent upon any other person for anything. If each person is independently and intrinsically God, then each is autonomous from the other as all are all-powerful and complete within themselves - yes, I'm not even finished yet, and are you beginning to see the absolutely deranging insanity of what you are professing?

Thus, God by His innate ontological pureness, holiness and completeness is love, as only a defect in one's being could either compromise one's righteousness, or incite evil, not because one's love is dependent upon an object of affection.
If one engenders a baby, and moves it to an isolated island from birth, are you saying that this human created in the image of God, is incapable of loving another because its inherent emotions cannot be directed to another tangible person? The child's love is dormant, waiting to be activated, for even if it never manifests itself, its nature in the image of God has determined its potential and capabilities, not its environment.

God is love because He is sound, wise, rational, holy, unadulterated, just and righteous, and entirely complete within Himself as a single unconfounded, undivided and uncompromised being. Adding anything else to the equation will just bastardize His exhaustive and comprehensive singularity as one complete person, the Father.