Rapture vs. Second Coming

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BARNEY BRIGHT

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Which means you do not even know what the Second Coming entails. Start with Revelation 1:7.

Jesus second presence is an invisible presence. The eyes in this Scripture mean discerning or symbolic eyes. Those who pierced him, the Roman soldiers have been dead for centuries. At John 14:19 Jesus said that the world wouldn't see him no more. When I read the scriptures concerning his appearance to people after Jesus Resurrection he appeared only to his disciples, he didn't appear to unbelievers. Also at 1Timothy 6:16 the apostle Paul said, after Jesus’ ascension to heaven, that Jesus now “dwells in unapproachable light,” and “not one of men has seen or can see” him. When it's said Jesus is coming with the clouds it means he will be just as invisible to the naked eye as the sun is when it is behind clouds. Even when the sun is hidden by clouds during daytime, we know it is there because of the daylight that surrounds us. Similarly, though the Lord Jesus is invisible, he will be revealed like ‘a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not obey the good news about him.’ In other words people will see that they're being destroyed and they'll know it's God's Only Begotten Son destroying them. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8; 2:8.
 

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There is no where that scripture says that the alive saints come back with Christ 7 years or 3 1/2 years later, only that when Jesus returns He will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. In other words, those who have already died.
what about those believers who are alive and are not dead ?
 

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They shall be caught up with them .
LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . I noticed a mispelling on the title of this post . It said Rapture Vs Second coming .
That V should read I for THERE IS BUT ONE COMING OF THE KING . And if ya miss that , DUCK N TUCK cause its all over with .
Now let all put on the full armour of GOD . Cause we , those who are faithful and remain faithful , are about to see PERSECUTION .
 
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They shall be caught up with them .
LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . I noticed a mispelling on the title of this post . It said Rapture Vs Second coming .
That V should read I for THERE IS BUT ONE COMING OF THE KING . And if ya miss that , DUCK N TUCK cause its all over with .
Now let all put on the full armour of GOD . Cause we , those who are faithful and remain faithful , are about to see PERSECUTION .
Agreed Paul tells us that in 1 Thessalonians 4 below !

Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
 
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amigo de christo

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This scenario would be bizarre to say the least. See Jude 1:14,15
TO the human mind it will appear bizzare . BUT i suppose the parting of the red sea seemed very bizzare .
BUT ITS GONNA HAPPEN . GOD SPOKE er planet , perfect rotation , everthing that is into existance .
IT aint gonna be hard for HIM to rapture live saints up . Be encouraged .
 

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hey enoch , THERE IS NOTHING TOO HARD or DIFFICULT for GOD .
AND that i take to my grave . I know , i know i seem as but a dumb stupied fool to this world .
BUT MY TRUST IS IN GOD who made this world and all that is . CHILD LIKE TRUST . HE ALONE is all i need .
 

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This scenario would be bizarre to say the least. See Jude 1:14,15
Don't know what you find "bizarre"? Taking all of Scripture the ones who come back in the second coming are the dead in Christ and the angels.

Matthew 25:
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

1 Thessalonians 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
 

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IT aint gonna be hard for HIM to rapture live saints up .
That's not what I consider bizarre. Making a mishmash of the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming is what is extremely bizarre. In fact it is not even in the realm of fantasy.
 

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That's not what I consider bizarre. Making a mishmash of the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming is what is extremely bizarre. In fact it is not even in the realm of fantasy.

The Rapture is AT the second coming. It is being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. You have believed that the Rapture is separate from the second coming and Resurrection when it is the same thing. First the dead in Christ whose spirits came with Christ are Resurrected, then all are Raptured.
 
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The Rapture is AT the second coming. It is being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. You have believed that the Rapture is separate from the second coming and Resurrection when it is the same thing. First the dead in Christ whose spirits came with Christ are Resurrected, then all are Raptured.
Indeed it is sister . Indeed it is . Rapture vs second coming , should be titled rapture IS second coming .
 
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Indeed it is sister . Indeed it is . Rapture vs second coming , should be titled rapture IS second coming .
Of course! Otherwise, if they were two separate time frames years apart, someone would put both in the same teaching to prevent such confusion. Just like putting Romans 8:9 and 10 together to prevent confusion, though some people still are. Oy vey! We are not in the carnal nature/flesh, but in the Spirit. But so someone wouldn't confuse one flesh with the other, the body, the next verse explains that the body of flesh is NOT in the Spirit yet, and will still die because of Adam's sin. But that doesn't mean as false doctrines claim, that a born again nature still has sin in it. Only the mind and spirit died and has become resurrected immortal. And the body will still die and put on immortality later after it also is resurrected. Clear as day, except to the carnal mind that cannot relate. 1 Corinthians 2:14. The ignorant, still reads texts out of context, and misinterprets Romans 7:14-23 and 1 John 1:8 as being born again Christians, to justify their own struggle with sin. The problem there is not being born again of the SPIRIT. 1 John 3:9. I cannot stress enough that knowing who Jesus is and wanting Him to save us is not enough. That was me for the first 30 years of my life going to church and sinning everyday. But when I truly got honest with myself, and realized I couldn't be righteous on my own by knowing the Commandments, that I repented and wanted to be washed clean from the inside out. Then and only then did Jesus baptize me in the Holy Spirit. I wasn't even expecting it, but it was unmistakable. It was quite an experience. And the supernatural became part of my life as I got closer and closer to abiding in Jesus, and He in me.
 
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Of course! Otherwise, if they were two separate time frames years apart, someone would put both in the same teaching to prevent such confusion. Just like putting Romans 8:9 and 10 together to prevent confusion, though some people still are. Oy vey! We are not in the carnal nature/flesh, but in the Spirit. But so someone wouldn't confuse one flesh with the other, the body, the next verse explains that the body of flesh is NOT in the Spirit yet, and will still die because of Adam's sin. But that doesn't mean as false doctrines claim, that a born again nature still has sin in it. Only the mind and spirit died and has become resurrected immortal. And the body will still die and put on immortality later after it also is resurrected. Clear as day, except to the carnal mind that cannot relate. 1 Corinthians 2:14
@CharismaticLady The coming of the Lord for the church is linked with the Lord's Supper, 1 Corinthians 11.26.
 

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Those who like to do a play on words like rapture and coming only do that in order to deceive. Their followers don't know they're doing it, but that's still what they're doing.

The word rapture is not in God's Word. It comes from a Latin translation of Greek harpazo (to seize). The KJV uses the phrase "caught up" for Greek harpazo.

But the main point about the "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4 is that it is set for after the tribulation, like Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.