Satan, demons and Pharisees 2000 years ago knew Jesus was saying He IS God. And you??

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Satan, demons and Pharisees 2000 years ago knew Jesus was saying He IS God. and you??
Thomas too==Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58

"I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"(John 10:30-33)
 

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Satan, demons and Pharisees 2000 years ago knew Jesus was saying He IS God. and you??
Thomas too==Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58

"I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"(John 10:30-33)

but what about this:

Joh 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 

Joh 14:21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 


does that prove you are God? no of course not.

Jesus the Word of God made flesh is of God. you remember when you speak its of you. but is it you? its you to anyone else though isn't it?

Jesus will tell you He is not of Himself but of the Father hence the concept of Father. but to anything not God Jesus is God because the Word of God is the revelation of God that can be experienced, hence known. because God speaks in His Presence just as you do.
 

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but what about this:

Joh 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 

Joh 14:21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 


does that prove you are God? no of course not.

Jesus the Word of God made flesh is of God. you remember when you speak its of you. but is it you? its you to anyone else though isn't it?

Jesus will tell you He is not of Himself but of the Father hence the concept of Father. but to anything not God Jesus is God because the Word of God is the revelation of God that can be experienced, hence known. because God speaks in His Presence just as you do.
if Jesus is not God, then answer me this, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
form here is Nature, and God is Spirit, per John 4:24a.
now DP, is there anyone EQUAL "with" God? notice I said as the scripture, "EQUAL WITH" God not equal "to" God, but EQUAL WITH God.

so DP is there anyone Equal with God, yes or No

if so please post book chapter and verse please.

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if Jesus is not God, then answer me this, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
form here is Nature, and God is Spirit, per John 4:24a.
now DP, is there anyone EQUAL "with" God? notice I said as the scripture, "EQUAL WITH" God not equal "to" God, but EQUAL WITH God.

so DP is there anyone Equal with God, yes or No

if so please post book chapter and verse please.

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well that's something that needs the meditation on Jesus is of the Father therefore not the Father according to Jesus correct? but yet being Son of the Father equal to the Father in respect to what is the Father's. in this case God to everything that is not God, because the Word of God is the only way to know God and the only way God does anything in His creation. all of creation knows God through God's Word, no exceptions. so God's Word is God to anything not God. but the same Word of God says its of His Father.

you word is of you, and is you to those who hear you.

so Jesus is the revelation of God to you (in the flesh), and the only way to know God to you, because God speaks in His Presence which we also know as Holy Spirit. so you prostrate to God you prostrate to His Word and you prostrate to His Presence. and all three are One, are they not?


you're only required to declare Him "Son of God" which is God's will. it would be wise to stay in that lane.
 
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well that's something that needs the meditation on Jesus is of the Father therefore not the Father according to Jesus correct? but yet being Son of the Father equal to the Father in respect to what is the Father's. in this case God to everything that is not God, because the Word of God is the only way to know God and the only way God does anything in His creation. all of creation knows God through God's Word, no exceptions. so God's Word is God to anything not God. but the same Word of God says its of His Father.

you word is of you, and is you to those who hear you.

so Jesus is the revelation of God to you (in the flesh), and the only way to know God to you, because God speaks in His Presence which we also know as Holy Spirit. so you prostrate to God you prostrate to His Word and you prostrate to His Presence. and all three are One, are they not?
first thanks for the reply, ..... second, (smile), lol.... you really don't know who the ordinal Last, Jesus, is do you?

now back to my original question, and then we can discuss, "is Jesus equal "with" God whom you calls the Father", yes or no?

your answer please.

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first thanks for the reply, ..... second, (smile), lol.... you really don't know who the ordinal Last, Jesus, is do you?

now back to my original question, and then we can discuss, "is Jesus equal "with" God whom you calls the Father", yes or no?

your answer please.

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you're only required to declare Him "Son of God" which is God's will. it would be wise to stay in that lane.
 

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you're only required to declare Him "Son of God" which is God's will. it would be wise to stay in that lane.
LOL, LOL, LOL, so we can take this as you cannot answer a simple question?

and as for, "to stay in that lane.",
then I'll repeat the question, "is Jesus equal "with" God whom you calls the Father", yes or no?
your answer, please....... quit stalling, if you don't know, just ask.

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Satan, demons and Pharisees 2000 years ago knew Jesus was saying He IS God. and you??
Amen, it's ashame, the demon, and all the evil host know God, JESUS, but they who call themselves christian don't even have a clue as to who he really is..... no put down of anyone, for I was once decieved, so I cain't beat my chest either. but years of false teaching has corrupted some minds beyond reproach. as the apostle said, turn them over to satan for the destruction of the flesh.

but thank God some have not been totally decieved. hope is on our side.

Thomas too==Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
true, as well as many of the followers of the TRUTH. especially out brother Ananias who told it plain as DAY, Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth." and the one who chosed him was "JESUS.

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Yes!!! Jesus set aside His eternal power and glory as God to be born and live as a 100% man on earth and then give His life on that Roman cross to pay our sin debt!!!
 

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Yes!!! Jesus set aside His eternal power and glory as God to be born and live as a 100% man on earth and then give His life on that Roman cross to pay our sin debt!!!
Good, great, but do you know that Jesus is Lord, meaning, he is the ordinal Last? do you understand that?

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Good, great, but do you know that Jesus is Lord, meaning, he is the ordinal Last? do you understand that?

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Jesus is Lord from all and to all eternity!!
 

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Jesus is Lord from all and to all eternity!!
first thanks for the reply, second, everyone knows that, but you didn't answer my question. Jesus as Lord, being the "ORDINAL LAST?"
this is the point of contention. we all know that he's everlasting, and we all know that God is a "Spirit", but what's the problem is this. some think that God who is "a" Spirit consist of three persons. a. separate, and b. distinct. for argument sake, lets concentrate on the persons "ONLY"... ok.

#1. the Person(s)....... used in the term, "With" as in the scripture, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
here many scholars states, the "Word" here is the Son, and he's .... "with", God, the Father in the beginning....... meaning two persons. the term "with" indicating two persons, seperates the word/Son and God/Father, do you agree, yes or no?

if no, please explain why.


but if you agree with John 1:1 assessment by the scholars, do you agree with this scripture also, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." notice that word, "with" here also. so my question, "is the First and the Last are two separate and distinct persons?" remember, the term "with" here as well with John 1:1 (according to the scholars) say the Word, the Son was "with" the Father. so do you agree, that the "First" WITH the "Last" are two separate and distinct persons? Yes, or No?.

before you answer, please look at the separation of with in John 1:1, between the Word/Son and God/Father, and the "WITH" in Isaiah 41:4, between the "First, and the Last.

will be looking for your answer, and thanks in advance.


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first thanks for the reply, second, everyone knows that, but you didn't answer my question. Jesus as Lord, being the "ORDINAL LAST?"
this is the point of contention. we all know that he's everlasting, and we all know that God is a "Spirit", but what's the problem is this. some think that God who is "a" Spirit consist of three persons. a. separate, and b. distinct. for argument sake, lets concentrate on the persons "ONLY"... ok.

#1. the Person(s)....... used in the term, "With" as in the scripture, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
here many scholars states, the "Word" here is the Son, and he's .... "with", God, the Father in the beginning....... meaning two persons. the term "with" indicating two persons, seperates the word/Son and God/Father, do you agree, yes or no?

if no, please explain why.


but if you agree with John 1:1 assessment by the scholars, do you agree with this scripture also, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." notice that word, "with" here also. so my question, "is the First and the Last are two separate and distinct persons?" remember, the term "with" here as well with John 1:1 (according to the scholars) say the Word, the Son was "with" the Father. so do you agree, that the "First" WITH the "Last" are two separate and distinct persons? Yes, or No?.

Is your body you? is your soul you?? is your spirit you? OR are you three but one as God is three but one ==Father,Son, Holyspirit = the One True God!!!
before you answer, please look at the separation of with in John 1:1, between the Word/Son and God/Father, and the "WITH" in Isaiah 41:4, between the "First, and the Last.

will be looking for your answer, and thanks in advance.


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Thank you, for the Bible is clear, the "WITH" in John 1:1 is the SAME one person ..... "God", for Jesus is one Person, and he is the First "with" the Last in Isaiah 41:4. for the verse clearly states that the First "with" the Last is "I". Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." and to make sure that it is only "ONE" person,

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." I, a single person designation, (the First, the ordinal First), is "ALSO" the Last...... BINGO, ONE PERSON. the same one person is Father, LORD, (Spirit), and Son, Lord, (spirit in Flesh). and that's all flesh that's in Christ. for, John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." BINGO. dwelling with you before being BORN AGAIN, (by Law adoption), and when BAPTIZED in and BIRTHED by the Spirit, then the in dwelling, or the NEW LIFE.... "born as Sons". scripture, John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

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In the flesh Jesus was Emmanuel (God with us ) but his position is to Save our Souls = that is Jesus and to understand that one knows that he is our Lord and Saviour = Christ Jesus. that means that we understand that he is God, now outside of that fact, such a people do not know God. they only have gods.
Oh my god ! what does that mean when one says, Oh my god ? you hear such come from Atheist.

The Holy Spirit comes to switch on your Soul to connect to Christ Jesus, to be who you truly are as a human enlightened and a blessing to God and all. the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is as one but all 3 are different aspects in the same Key.
 

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you're only required to declare Him "Son of God" which is God's will. it would be wise to stay in that lane.
You may have missed this bit

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Just as was spoken

Left out this bit too, considering satan knew God

Mat_4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat_4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

oh and this bit

Mat_8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
 
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In the flesh Jesus was Emmanuel (God with us ) but his position is to Save our Souls = that is Jesus and to understand that one knows that he is our Lord and Saviour = Christ Jesus. that means that we understand that he is God, now outside of that fact, such a people do not know God. they only have gods.
Oh my god ! what does that mean when one says, Oh my god ? you hear such come from Atheist.

The Holy Spirit comes to switch on your Soul to connect to Christ Jesus, to be who you truly are as a human enlightened and a blessing to God and all. the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is as one but all 3 are different aspects in the same Key.
first thanks for the reply, and second, you're correct, just as someone would say, "Lord have Mercy", when something went wrong. and again you're correct, because after the penalty of sin, or the price was paid, the Holy Ghost/God/Yeshua was poured out on "ALL FLESH". supportive scripture, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"

how much flesh? all, not just the saved... (smile), not just male only flesh... no all flesh. in the church they are called Spiritual Gifts, in the world, they are called "talents". so everyone has God either dwelling in them .... or .... With them......

Good spot there RB.

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Matthew 7:21-23
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21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

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