Father in the Son

Is the Son, God ?

DPMartin said:

what does that have to do with this? isn't that being discussed some where else?

Jesus Christ is the Beloved Son of God, see gospels for proof. isn't that what God Himself said of Jesus at the transfiguration and to John the Baptist? I will stick with what the Lord Jesus says He is.

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So Jesus then is not God correct ?

DPMartin said:

did Jesus value the revelation of His Father in Him? and just how much did He value that?

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Of course, He knew. Jesus didn't do ANYTHING He didn't see the Father doing in heaven. That is respect. Jesus had the mind of the Father, just as those of us who are born again receive the mind of Christ. That is why we must be born again and baptized in the Spirit.

Unfortunately, many denominations starting with Catholics and then Reformationists don't even know what that means.


"Few there are that find it."

DPMartin said:

what does that have to do with this? isn't that being discussed some where else?

Jesus Christ is the Beloved Son of God, see gospels for proof. isn't that what God Himself said of Jesus at the transfiguration and to John the Baptist? I will stick with what the Lord Jesus says He is.

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Jesus said He is I Am. Even the Pharisees knew He was saying He is God.

Christophany said:

So Jesus then is not God correct ?

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Don't assume. Let him answer. And if he won't, then still don't assume.

CharismaticLady said:

Don't assume. Let him answer. And if he won't, then still don't assume.

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I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.

JMHO FWIW..................

Christophany said:

I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.

JMHO FWIW..................

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flesh is not God but God is Spirit?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

VictoryinJesus said:

flesh is not God but God is Spirit?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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So Jesus is no longer a man is that correct ?

JW's quote those same passages to say Jesus is now a spirit and no longer a man with a human body , hence my question to you.

Christophany said:

So Jesus is no longer a man is that correct ?

JW's quote those same passages to say Jesus is now a spirit and no longer a man with a human body , hence my question to you.

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i don’t know and have many questions. Like why we have known Christ after the flesh, but now we know no man after the flesh. Or why that which is born of the flesh is flesh. That born of God is Spirit. I’m not arguing for He wasn’t God manifested in the flesh for the removal of sins...but asking what is removed?

Ephesians 5:30-31 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

VictoryinJesus said:

flesh is not God but God is Spirit?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
that natural flesh he's speaking of, of this world, or (the ways of the world, the way one live), for God, the Lord Jesus have flesh & Bone, but no blood, (meaning, now resurrected , glorified). scripture, Luke 24:36 "And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."
Luke 24:37 "But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit."
Luke 24:38 "And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?"
Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (this is the new man, Spiritual, not under the Law, Natural).
Luke 24:40 "And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet."

knowing someone after the flesh is wordly living. because the very next verse support it, "[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" a new way of LIVING, not the old carnal Law way, but in Garce and Love of God and man, and how did he get it, this new body? answer, John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." what was that?, Spirit, with all the right and privilages he laid down to take on natural flesh, and die for our sins. now that flesh is changed, supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:" just as he make clear a little bit futher,

1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."1 Corinthians 15:41 "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory."1 Corinthians 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:"1 Corinthians 15:43 "It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:"1 Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."1 Corinthians 15:46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."1 Corinthians 15:47 "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."1 Corinthians 15:48 "As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly."1 Corinthians 15:49 "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
1 Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"1 Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."1 Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."1 Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"1 Corinthians 15:56 "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."1 Corinthians 15:57 "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

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Christophany said:

I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.

JMHO FWIW..................

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I understand your intent, and it is righteous. But why did you assume he didn't and not even answer his OP, yet you want him to answer yours? Do you know him? I don't, except his name, but nothing about what he believes.

VictoryinJesus said:

i don’t know and have many questions. Like why we have known Christ after the flesh, but now we know no man after the flesh. Or why that which is born of the flesh is flesh. That born of God is Spirit. I’m not arguing for He wasn’t God manifested in the flesh for the removal of sins...but asking what is removed?

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The answer to your question, and the question itself, are ones many denominations don't ask, let alone know the answer to. So I applaud you for being open enough to ask this most important question in all of Christianity. Because Jesus made it the most important when He said, "We MUST be born again." Also, Paul said in Romans 8:9 that we are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God indwells us. And those who do not have the Spirit of Christ, DO NOT BELONG TO HIM.

The next verse (10) is about the body, that is NOT born again yet. It must first die, like our mind and spirit died on the cross and was resurrected (born again). Paul put these two verses together so we would not get confused and say our flesh will always sin until our body dies, but there are still those heresies out there that preach the lie.

So what is removed and taken away? 1 John 3:5? It is our sin NATURE. Our mind and spirit is where we get our nature that either will produce sin, or righteousness. We are all born with the sin nature from Adam's sin. That is why John said to those without repentance that if we say we are without sin, we lie and the TRUTH (THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH) is not in us. BUT, if we repent, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse (our nature) of all unrighteousness.

Here is a little story I created to help you understand the nature.

"It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. 1 John 3:9. It has no desire to. It is even abhorrent! It is just not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.

CharismaticLady said:

The answer to your question, and the question itself, are ones many denominations don't ask, let alone know the answer to. So I applaud you for being open enough to ask this most important question in all of Christianity. Because Jesus made it the most important when He said, "We MUST be born again." Also, Paul said in Romans 8:9 that we are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God indwells us. And those who do not have the Spirit of Christ, DO NOT BELONG TO HIM.

The next verse (10) is about the body, that is NOT born again yet. It must first die, like our mind and spirit died on the cross and was resurrected (born again). Paul put these two verses together so we would not get confused and say our flesh will always sin until our body dies, but there are still those heresies out there that preach the lie.

So what is removed and taken away? 1 John 3:5? It is our sin NATURE. Our mind and spirit is where we get our nature that either will produce sin, or righteousness. We are all born with the sin nature from Adam's sin. That is why John said to those without repentance that if we say we are without sin, we lie and the TRUTH (THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH) is not in us. BUT, if we repent, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse (our nature) of all unrighteousness.

Here is a little story I created to help you understand the nature.

"It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. 1 John 3:9. It has no desire to. It is even abhorrent! It is just not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.

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Thank you for help. Still I have so many questions. Like why I can’t control my tongue like James says “this mans religion is vain.” Or why this bitterness rises up sometimes and that tongue goes loose and I curse and rage and follow after death more abundant still, bearing fruit of it.

Your post makes me think of: Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Will continue to think on what you shared here. Again, Thank you.

DPMartin said:

go back to whatever thread that is on this subject

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Why you mentioned God Himself and I asked you point blank is Jesus God ?

Your evasion speaks volumes if you refuse to confess God the Son.