Mystery, Babylon The Great

veteran · Aug 28, 2010

The word "MYSTERY" in the Greek of Rev.17:5 about endtime Babylon is 'musterion', and is about some secret that is hidden from plain view. It is also a word used to imply knowledge or understanding transferred through religious rites of initiation.

In Matthew 13, when our Lord Jesus spoke to the multitudes in parable, His disciples wondered why, and He told His disciples it was given them to know the "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven", but to the multitudes it was not given. He declared that His disciples were blessed with having eyes to see and ears to hear (spiritually), and that many prophets and righteous men had desired to know the things His disciples were given to understand.

One of the things Satan told Adam and Eve in God's Garden, was that if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, their eyes would be opened, knowing good and evil, and they would become gods. Yet Adam and Eve did not become gods, but instead fell spiritually into Satan's trap.

This idea of opening the eyes and ears to spiritually discern God's Truth is what the idea of a 'mystery' is about. Satan uses that idea of claiming to open the eyes too. It has been practised for many centuries through the idea of pagan "mystery schools", schools which are still going on today upon the earth that initiate members into the so-called "sacred mysteries", claiming to impart 'illumination' or 'enlightenment'. The word Illuminati for the Bavarian Illuminati order that existed in 17th century Europe implied the idea of "illumined ones", or "englightened ones." Their claim was that came through advancement through their various degrees of initiation into the so-called mysteries.

Yet in Matthew 13, our Lord Jesus reveals there's a difference how His true "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven" are given compared to the false mysteries Satan's workers claim to impart through degrees of initiation. The true mysteries of the kingdom of heaven can only be given to man directly from The Father and His Son by opening our eyes in discernment to His Truth in His Word. He has given His The Holy Spirit to help in that.

What are the "mysteries" which Satan's host claim to impart through initiation?

The "mystery schools" claim there exists a sacred knowledge that is occult, or hidden which each person once had, and that it will free our spirit from the limitations of our flesh body, revealing spiritual and natural laws that only the schools of initiation possess, knowledge handed down orally from ancient times. They claim that with this new found knowlege, the student will become an "adept", and able to master the forces of nature to cause instant changes. And in time, the soul will be freed from the need of being reborn again and again in this flesh world, and that you will take your place with the hidden masters that dwell on a higher plane of existence which the flesh eyes cannot see. Some of those mystery schools of initiation that exist today call that knowledge simply the "mysteries of life." But in reality, that is the very same temptation Satan did in God's Garden upon Adam and Eve, telling them the lie that they would become their own gods.

With that in mind, it becomes easier to understand why our Lord Jesus used that title of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." for a system that is to be setup on earth in the last days over all nations, with a specific ruling city being the head of it.

Rev 17:3-6
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
(KJV)

At the end of Rev.17, we're told the symbolic "woman" there is a "great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Those in that mystery initiation idea is what that MYSTERY is about for the last days. Ancient Sumer-Babylon is where the hidden knowlege of those false 'mystery schools' began, even with Sargon I. The mystery schools then migrated to other areas of the earth like ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, the Orient, and to ancient Rome in Europe. The pagan priest class were the possessors of the mystery traditions handed down to the neophyte (new petitioner for the mysteries). All the major religions have had members among those schools of secret initiation into the mysteries. (Adam Weishaupt, the head of the 17th century Bavarian Illuminati order bragged in a letter to another high member how his initiate degree on Christianity had so duped a certain Christian divine, that Weishuapt didn't realize he was going to be the founder of a new religion . See 'Proofs Of A Conspiracy' by 17th century British Mason John Robison).

There does exist a conspiracy against God and man, and it still exists on earth today within the secret societies of fraternal initiation. And it has its tentacles in every government, nation, and religion upon this earth. It is not a new thing. It has been a mystery throughout the history of man.

evanom · Aug 29, 2010

If you want to identify mystery Babylon, you must include EVERY SINGLE charateristic that is listed of her. To single out only some characteristics and ignore others enable us to make of this great city anything we want, really.

Martin W. · Aug 29, 2010

evanom said:
If you want to identify mystery Babylon, you must include EVERY SINGLE charateristic that is listed of her. To single out only some characteristics and ignore others enable us to make of this great city anything we want, really.

I agree

RND · Aug 29, 2010

Mystery Babylon? That's easy, it's Rome and her harlot daughters.

veteran · Aug 30, 2010

The main idea about MYSTERY, BABYLON is false worship and those who set it up in the last days.

The MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH is a descriptive title the woman (great city) wears. That title reveals what its working is about, which is the subject I covered.

Ancient Sumer-Babylon was the birthplace of pagan worship on earth, the birth of the 'mystery school' idea which migrated to other nations. Just by our Lord using that title upon the "great city" (Jerusalem) reveals Jerusalem in a fallen state away from God in the last days.

We're told she sits upon many waters (peoples), and she sits upon a beast that has seven heads and ten horns. Those type symbols do not reveal the specific 'type' of beast system it will be, but only what kind of structure it is to have in comparison with previous beast kingdoms of Daniel. By the word beast we only know it is not God's Kingdom, but not what kind of works it has.

Different story with that title the woman wears, because it defines what type of beast kingdom it involves, and who is behind it, and how it will work on the earth. And it's certainly not Rome nor the Roman Church. It's Jerusalem, for in the previous Revelation chapters we were to pick up on that "great city" label, which is only about Jerusalem in the last days. In Rev.16, the previous chapter, Christ's coming is shown and the "great city" being divided into three parts. We know for certain that is speaking of Jerusalem, for that's also the city where God's two witnesses appear in Rev.11:8, and where Christ's return is to per the Zechariah 14 Scripture.

RND · Aug 30, 2010

veteran said:
The main idea about MYSTERY, BABYLON is false worship and those who set it up in the last days.

The MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH is a descriptive title the woman (great city) wears. That title reveals what its working is about, which is the subject I covered.

Ancient Sumer-Babylon was the birthplace of pagan worship on earth, the birth of the 'mystery school' idea which migrated to other nations. Just by our Lord using that title upon the "great city" (Jerusalem) reveals Jerusalem in a fallen state away from God in the last days.

We're told she sits upon many waters (peoples), and she sits upon a beast that has seven heads and ten horns. Those type symbols do not reveal the specific 'type' of beast system it will be, but only what kind of structure it is to have in comparison with previous beast kingdoms of Daniel. By the word beast we only know it is not God's Kingdom, but not what kind of works it has.

Different story with that title the woman wears, because it defines what type of beast kingdom it involves, and who is behind it, and how it will work on the earth. And it's certainly not Rome nor the Roman Church. It's Jerusalem, for in the previous Revelation chapters we were to pick up on that "great city" label, which is only about Jerusalem in the last days. In Rev.16, the previous chapter, Christ's coming is shown and the "great city" being divided into three parts. We know for certain that is speaking of Jerusalem, for that's also the city where God's two witnesses appear in Rev.11:8, and where Christ's return is to per the Zechariah 14 Scripture.

Veteran, the book of Daniel tells us exclusively that out of the fourth beast that "ten horns that [were] in his head" and this was never Jerusalem. Daniel tells us about the "little horn" and that "[of] the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even [of] that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look [was] more stout than his fellows." This "little horn" is not Jerusalem. This "little horn" is speaking great words against the Most High, it will wear out the saints and it will think to change God's holy laws and times (feast days). It is not Jerusalem.

Could you show conclusively how this equates to Jerusalem especially when Jerusalem has never mass murdered anyone the way Rome has? That Jerusalem has never changed God's times and laws like Rome has and has never spoken the great swelling words against God the way Rome has?

As I stated dispensationalism denies the history and historical teaching that came from the Reformation. If you choose to deny this then at least do everyone a favor and don't call yourself a "Protestant"!

veteran · Aug 31, 2010

RND said:
Veteran, the book of Daniel tells us exclusively that out of the fourth beast that "ten horns that [were] in his head" and this was never Jerusalem. Daniel tells us about the "little horn" and that "[of] the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even [of] that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look [was] more stout than his fellows." This "little horn" is not Jerusalem. This "little horn" is speaking great words against the Most High, it will wear out the saints and it will think to change God's holy laws and times (feast days). It is not Jerusalem.

Could you show conclusively how this equates to Jerusalem especially when Jerusalem has never mass murdered anyone the way Rome has? That Jerusalem has never changed God's times and laws like Rome has and has never spoken the great swelling words against God the way Rome has?

Dan 7:8-10
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
(KJV)

Do you know why that phrase, "I beheld till the thrones were cast down" is included in that Scripture section about God and His Throne and the judgment being set, and the books opened? It links with the Daniel 2 part about the beast image. In Daniel 2 were shown in the days those ten horns (ten kings) exist on earth, is when Christ will come to smite the beast image on its feet of ten toes, and the whole together comes tumbling down, and will exist no more.

That is pointing to the end of days, not history of Rome, nor to the Roman Church.

And llike I said, the "great city" reference in Rev.16 with Christ's second coming is only about Jerusalem, for to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem is where God's Word declares Christ Jesus will return to. In Rev.17 that "great city" is mentioned again as the Babylon harlot. The Revelation "great city" is first mentioned in Rev.11:8 about JERUSALEM. So why do you openly deny what's written in God's Word on that in favour of men's doctrines?

Jerusalem is where our Lord declared is the place that "killeth the prophets".

Matt 23:29-36
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
(KJV)

Matt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
(KJV)

JERUSALEM is where God's Word declares Christ's second coming is to, even upon the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from (Acts 1; Zech.14). That's is not to Rome, nor any other city on this earth, but Jerusalem.

As for what it means to be a Protestant, inferring that believing a pope is the final antichrist is required to be Protestant is a load a baloney. The Protestant reformation involved much more serious matters than just a little ol' pope who claimed supreme authority over all of God's people.

I'm well aware of how Satan's workers try to hide among some Protestant Christian groups in denouncing the Roman Church and a pope today, and in trying to get the majority of Christian's attention focused OFF of Jerusalem in the last days and instead towards Rome. Why would you want to take up with them? Get away from those false prophets before it's too late.

RND · Aug 31, 2010

veteran said:
Dan 7:8-10
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
(KJV)

Do you know why that phrase, "I beheld till the thrones were cast down" is included in that Scripture section about God and His Throne and the judgment being set, and the books opened? It links with the Daniel 2 part about the beast image. In Daniel 2 were shown in the days those ten horns (ten kings) exist on earth, is when Christ will come to smite the beast image on its feet of ten toes, and the whole together comes tumbling down, and will exist no more.

That is pointing to the end of days, not history of Rome, nor to the Roman Church.

Verse 8 does. Who is the little horn that "before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

And llike I said, the "great city" reference in Rev.16 with Christ's second coming is only about Jerusalem, for to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem is where God's Word declares Christ Jesus will return to. In Rev.17 that "great city" is mentioned again as the Babylon harlot. The Revelation "great city" is first mentioned in Rev.11:8 about JERUSALEM. So why do you openly deny what's written in God's Word on that in favour of men's doctrines?

Because Jerusalem in Revelation 11:8 is linking spiritual truth with allegory. Jesus wasn't crucified in Egypt or Sodom.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:8 has two key characteristics—Egypt’s atheistic unbelief in the true God, and Sodom’s immorality.

Jerusalem is where our Lord declared is the place that "killeth the prophets".

Matt 23:29-36
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
(KJV)

Matt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
(KJV)

There were no killings in the city and all killings were done on the outside of the wall.

JERUSALEM is where God's Word declares Christ's second coming is to, even upon the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from (Acts 1; Zech.14). That's is not to Rome, nor any other city on this earth, but Jerusalem.

Right. But Daniel 7 isn't referring to Christ's return.

As for what it means to be a Protestant, inferring that believing a pope is the final antichrist is required to be Protestant is a load a baloney. The Protestant reformation involved much more serious matters than just a little ol' pope who claimed supreme authority over all of God's people.

Such as? Personally I'm not too certain you know much about the reformation and what stance the reformers took at great peril to their own lives.

I'm well aware of how Satan's workers try to hide among some Protestant Christian groups in denouncing the Roman Church and a pope today, and in trying to get the majority of Christian's attention focused OFF of Jerusalem in the last days and instead towards Rome. Why would you want to take up with them? Get away from those false prophets before it's too late.

False prophets? So now you are calling the reformers false prophets? Wow!

This PDF lists all the prominent reformers and who the believed was the antichrist. http://redeemerfw.org/resources/reformers_antichrist.pdf

Many died for these beliefs and now you are calling them false prophets? Absolutely incredible!

omnicopy · Aug 31, 2010

The reformers were false prophets if they didn't come to the total and complete truth in their lives and many did not. Many of them were still in the cycle of ever learning and never able to come to the truth. Most of the denominations we have today were started by these reformers. Perhaps they changed at the end of their lives (they could have) but the churches and denominations they created are teribbly leading people astray today. The 10 kings will destroy the denominations finally. That will be a great day!

Kim

veteran · Aug 31, 2010

You've never read anything I've written that says the reformers of history were false prophets. That's a lie YOU have made up.

The reformers days are OVER now, and no pope has fulfilled the events of the end our Lord Jesus gave in His Revelation.

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
(KJV)

What you've said about that Rev.11:8 verse is totally ludicrous. Since when does a place that is "spiritually" called by other names change its location? The area where Christ Jesus was crucified was not Rome. That's a silly idea. It was in Jerusalem, which is the "great city" that verse is pointing to.

And per the Rev.11 verses, when in history did God send two witnesses to Rome, their bodies left laying in the street, and then they stood upon their feet and were caught up to Heaven? Surely we would have read about that event even by the Reformers!

omnicopy · Aug 31, 2010

In Isaiah 1 it also calls Jerusalem Sodom and Gomorrah too:

Isaiah 1:8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city= Jerusalem

Isaiah 1:9,10 Except the Lord of host had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah: Hear the word of the Lord, YE RULERS OF SODOM (JERSALEM); GIVE EAR UNTO THE LAW OF OUR GOD, YE PEOPLE OF GOMORRAH (PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM).

So there are several places in the bible they are spiritually referred to like this.

Kim

RND · Aug 31, 2010

omnicopy said:
In Isaiah 1 it also calls Jerusalem Sodom and Gomorrah too:

Isaiah 1:8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city= Jerusalem

Isaiah 1:9,10 Except the Lord of host had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah: Hear the word of the Lord, YE RULERS OF SODOM (JERSALEM); GIVE EAR UNTO THE LAW OF OUR GOD, YE PEOPLE OF GOMORRAH (PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM).

So there are several places in the bible they are spiritually referred to like this.

Kim

Thanks for the reminder.

RND · Aug 31, 2010

veteran said:
You've never read anything I've written that says the reformers of history were false prophets. That's a lie YOU have made up.

The reformers days are OVER now, and no pope has fulfilled the events of the end our Lord Jesus gave in His Revelation.

When you make statements like this one you are denying what the reformers believed and thus, based on your comments as a whole you arecalling the reformers false prophets.They believed it was Rome from history and you are saying that is untrue. Thus they must be wrong. Hence false prophets must be anyone that teaches what the reformers taught! Sorry Vet, can't have it both ways.

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
(KJV)

What you've said about that Rev.11:8 verse is totally ludicrous. Since when does a place that is "spiritually" called by other names change its location? The area where Christ Jesus was crucified was not Rome. That's a silly idea. It was in Jerusalem, which is the "great city" that verse is pointing to.

Our Lord was crucified because of fale teaching nd false understanding and this verse is making a comparison between the two. Besides, if you knew anything about the doctrine of transsubstantion you'd know that it is Rome's doctrine that cruifies ourLord each and every day.

And per the Rev.11 verses, when in history did God send two witnesses to Rome, their bodies left laying in the street, and then they stood upon their feet and were caught up to Heaven? Surely we would have read about that event even by the Reformers!

The two witness refer to the Tanakh and the New Testament. These two half's of the Bible testify of our Lord and are hence witnesses.

Or maybe you forgot that Rome for centuries would put anyone to death that so much as had a fragment of the Bible on them? You have a lot to learn about RCC history Veteran.

http://www.mtc.org/inquis.html

http://reformation.org/

This is why it is so vitally important to understand history and how Bible prophecy foretold all of these things. God bless.

HammerStone · Aug 31, 2010

If you want to identify mystery Babylon, you must include EVERY SINGLE charateristic that is listed of her. To single out only some characteristics and ignore others enable us to make of this great city anything we want, really.

With all due respect, that's all but a moot point when discussing virtually anything in the Bible. I think sometimes folks get a little too wrapped up in the post and forget that at least some assume that one picks up a Bible and reads for his or her own edification. Of course there's always more, but the Holy Spirit and a willing heart will find more if one starts looking.

I'm reminded of Proverbs 1:8 on this subject (wisdom speaking): "I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me. "

I'm not sure why this thread has derailed a good bit on the whole denomination thing, but that's exactly what any other denomination would say. I need a better reason than what's given as a reader of this thread. (Remember, I think the vast majority of us are here to be Christian - that is Christ men and women - and not of any one denomination. I happen to agree with Protestantism, but my primary concern is to be a Christian. The moment discussion shuts down and starts talking denominations is the moment when many move on.

Could you show conclusively how this equates to Jerusalem especially when Jerusalem has never mass murdered anyone the way Rome has? That Jerusalem has never changed God's times and laws like Rome has and has never spoken the great swelling words against God the way Rome has?

I think this thought is a casualty of our earthly perspective. Is God primarily concerned with this flesh body or the soul contained therein?

[bible=Matthew 10:28]
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.[/bible]

I hope no one misunderstands me here, but it is necessary to remember that this is God's great plan, and we're left to discover that plan as He helps us. While flesh is a part of it, the greatest danger is not death of the flesh, it's death of the soul. I daresay that the repentant murderer will find place in heaven where the most pious false shepherd will not when it comes to heaven.

I happen to agree with the OP on his point about Jerusalem. For evidence I'd simply point to the Scriptural fact that it is God's city and all the more egregious that it commits the sin it has and continues to do. That's not to say, beloved, that we focus on any geographical point or anything of the sort, but we do need to understand who is in control and where.

I think this is confirmed by Galatians 4:

[bible=Galatians 4:22-31]
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband." Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman." So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman. [/bible]

Brothers and sisters, do not be afraid to call upon the tools God gave us all to understand. He gave you a Guide, so use him! Let Scripture interpret Scripture - sola scriptura as the saying goes!

I see a pretty clear relation to Revelation 11:8. Christ taught in parables and so does the Bible. Eyes to see and ears to hear, but that doesn't mean we'll always see; put it on the old shelf if you're unsure, but check it out in His word.

evanom · Aug 31, 2010

If anyone is still interested in who the Great Harlot is, start by listing all the characteristics given of her in chapters 17 and 18 of Revelation. There are at least 14 characteristics i can count. Neither Rome nor Jerusalem match up to all 14. Any other arguments?

omnicopy · Sep 1, 2010

The Great Harlot are the false churches and some of the religious organizations over the years that have presecuted the true saints. There is no doubt right now that the the denominational churches are definitely the Great Harlot. They are so bad, most people don't have any idea how bad they all are. LIke the Sadducees and Pharisees would probably be included in that. The Israelites that came out of Egypt that really weren't of Israel would be included in that. The Catholic Church and all protestant churches around us today would be included in that. Anything that claims to be of God but isn't would be included in that.

It is being kept in a "mystery" to most people. But God has revealed this to those He wanted to and is revealing to some others now like the 144,000. The bible is very much shrouded, just like Jesus taught in parables.

KIm

RND · Sep 1, 2010

evanom said:
If anyone is still interested in who the Great Harlot is, start by listing all the characteristics given of her in chapters 17 and 18 of Revelation. There are at least 14 characteristics i can count. Neither Rome nor Jerusalem match up to all 14. Any other arguments?

It's Rome.

evanom · Sep 2, 2010

RND said:
It's Rome.

Rome is a bad match. It isn't Rome. It isn't Jerusalem. It isn't New York nor the United Nations. It isn't false religion.

omnicopy · Sep 2, 2010

evanom said:
Rome is a bad match. It isn't Rome. It isn't Jerusalem. It isn't New York nor the United Nations. It isn't false religion.

It sure is the false churches, that's a big part of it! It's the false churches and everything else that has been false down through the ages. It's anything that was ever against the truth. Those who killed the prophets and martyred the true saints of God.

Kim

RND · Sep 2, 2010

evanom said:
Rome is a bad match. It isn't Rome. It isn't Jerusalem. It isn't New York nor the United Nations. It isn't false religion.

Well gee whizzes what pray tell could it be?

omnicopy said:
It sure is the false churches, that's a big part of it! It's the false churches and everything else that has been false down through the ages. It's anything that was ever against the truth. Those who killed the prophets and martyred the true saints of God.

Kim

I agree. The harlot does have her daughters.

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