Thankfully, The Lord showed us in the last verse of Rev.17 the Babylon harlot is a specific city on earth.
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Well, there are more false churches in Jerusalem per square mile than any other city I know of. I won't even go there because of all those false churches all over the religious sites and they entice all the false chrisitans to come and visit Jerusalem too. YUCK AND NO THANKS! It's plain to see now that Jerusalem we have today is definitely not the city talked about in Isaiah Chapter 2.
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I agree with Veteran.
Jerusalem is Mother of Harlots>>>Mystery Babylon.
Everything fits.
And why wouldn't it?? Its home to the oldest people in history>the Isrealites. The first people who went against God. It's the home of the Pharisees who delivered up Jesus to the cross. And its still HQ for the modern day Pharisees who are plotting against Christians today via the Noahide Laws.
Rome has been very naughty throughout history. It is a harlot no doubt. Rome and Jerusalem have been working hand in hand for 2000 years persecuting believers. But Rome as Mother Harlot is a VERY clever decoy. Whoever posted that link to the reformation online site....I know how you feel. That is one of my favourite sites and exposes Rome for what it is......a harlot DAUGHTER! I thought Rome was Mother for a while until I was shown other relavent evidence. It looks like Rome fits the bill for Mother but Jerusalem fits better. Veteran has shown much evidence for this.
As far as I see, the Pharisees are the brains of the Anti-Christ operation and Rome is the Braun. Rome is the network. Rome keeps the kings in order. They control the top secret societies like the Knights of Malta and other major branches of freemasonry. They control the standing armies. The papacy control the religious side of things in obvious error BUT OPENLY. Rome is an easy target but the real Mother stays WELL hidden indeed.
All the bad fruit springs from the Pharisees and they're Christ hating "holy" books...the Talmud, Kaballah and Zohar. All false doctrine can be traced back to these teachings.
Jerusalem is Mother of Harlots>>>Mystery Babylon.
Everything fits.
And why wouldn't it?? Its home to the oldest people in history>the Isrealites. The first people who went against God. It's the home of the Pharisees who delivered up Jesus to the cross. And its still HQ for the modern day Pharisees who are plotting against Christians today via the Noahide Laws.
Rome has been very naughty throughout history. It is a harlot no doubt. Rome and Jerusalem have been working hand in hand for 2000 years persecuting believers. But Rome as Mother Harlot is a VERY clever decoy. Whoever posted that link to the reformation online site....I know how you feel. That is one of my favourite sites and exposes Rome for what it is......a harlot DAUGHTER! I thought Rome was Mother for a while until I was shown other relavent evidence. It looks like Rome fits the bill for Mother but Jerusalem fits better. Veteran has shown much evidence for this.
As far as I see, the Pharisees are the brains of the Anti-Christ operation and Rome is the Braun. Rome is the network. Rome keeps the kings in order. They control the top secret societies like the Knights of Malta and other major branches of freemasonry. They control the standing armies. The papacy control the religious side of things in obvious error BUT OPENLY. Rome is an easy target but the real Mother stays WELL hidden indeed.
All the bad fruit springs from the Pharisees and they're Christ hating "holy" books...the Talmud, Kaballah and Zohar. All false doctrine can be traced back to these teachings.
Aren't most of those churches of one particular denomination? Roman Catholic?
How do you explain the historically documented involvement of the RCC and the Nazi Party in the extermination of the Jews then?
What relevant evidence?
Funny but Inever see US President's make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem to bow to the president of Israel but they do go to Rome to bow to the Pope.
That might be but what laws has Jerusalem changed? How did they wear out the saints? Have they ever claimed to be God's replacement on Earth like the Pope has?
evanom
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If you take time to read all the prophets, you'll see the whole purpose of having brought back Israel to her land (in '48) is to save Jerusalem, not destroy her. You have to read it. Jerusalem is God's bride. Probably the WORST interpretation of Mystery Babylon that exists is that she's Jerusalem. It's so contrary to end-day events, prophecies, purposes, logic, etc. Can you imagine GOd bringing back Israel after 2000 years of punishment just so He can get destroy her with fire? How sadistic is that?!!?
Read the bible, read about Armaggedon, read about where Jesus will return to. Read Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zacharia, etc. Read read read... Forget "interpretations". Read!
evanom
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Here's a list for you:
1- She’s a harlot (Apo. 17:1, 2)
2- She’s dressed in purple and red (Apo. 17:4)
3- She’s rich (Jer. 51:13, Apo. 17:4)
4- She’s drunk and ecstatic (Jer. 51:39, Apo. 17:6)
5- She’s sits atop 7 hills-kings (Apo. 17:9-10)
6- She’s a killer (Jer. 51:25, Apo. 17:6)
7- She sits atop many nations and people (Jer. 51:13, Apo. 17:15)
8- She’s extremely powerful politically (Isa. 47:5, Apo. 17:18)
9- She is proud and boastful (Isa. 47:8, Apo. 18:7)
10- She’s a possessor/importer of many goods (Apo. 18:12-13)
11- She has maritime ports and does an immense amount of global trade (Apo. 18:19)
12- She likes entertainment (Jer. 51:39, Apo. 18:22)
13- She’s involved in the occult. (Isa. 47:12-13, Apo. 18:23)
14- She’s industrial (Apo. 18:22)
15- She has made businessmen around the world very wealthy (Apo.18:15)
These are the details given by God to reveal the Great Harlot. If you're truly interested in finding her identity, you need to match up your interpretation to all these characteristics. But here's the thing: you're not allowed to edit this list! Also keep in mind the Mystery Babylon is end-times, she's not from past periods so there's no point in trying to tie her to some past empire that has come and gone. All of her is modern end-days. Good luck.
We don't have abide by your list of identifiers for Jerusalem as the harlot city, God has already shown us...
Ezek 8:1-18
1 And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north." So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6 He said furthermore unto me, "Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from My sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations."
7 And He brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, dig now in the wall": and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9 And He said unto me, "Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here."
10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, 'The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.'"
13 He said also unto me, "Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do."
14 Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said He unto me, "Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these."
16 And He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then He said unto me, "Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke Me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in Mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them."
(KJV)
The "image" idol of Rev.13 is to be setup by the dragon, which is what Christ was pointing to in Matt.24 about the abomination of desolation from the Book of Daniel. And what area on earth was Christ pointing to when He mentioned the setting up of the "abomination of desolation"? To the Temple Mount in JERUSALEM, even while upon the Mount of Olives overlooking it!
The vile person of Dan.11 and Dan.9:27 will confirm a covenant for 7 years ("one week"), and then in the middle of the 7 years cause the daily sacrifice to cease, and will instead place the abomination that maketh desolate (Dan.11). That's inside a temple in Jerusalem, not Rome. Rome will never do animal sacrifices under an Old Covenant system. ONLY the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem today wish to bring those sacrifices of the Old Covenant back, for they STILL refuse Jesus of Nazareth as Christ The Messiah.
Ezek 8:1-18
1 And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north." So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6 He said furthermore unto me, "Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from My sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations."
7 And He brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, dig now in the wall": and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9 And He said unto me, "Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here."
10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, 'The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.'"
13 He said also unto me, "Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do."
14 Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said He unto me, "Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these."
16 And He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then He said unto me, "Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke Me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in Mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them."
(KJV)
The "image" idol of Rev.13 is to be setup by the dragon, which is what Christ was pointing to in Matt.24 about the abomination of desolation from the Book of Daniel. And what area on earth was Christ pointing to when He mentioned the setting up of the "abomination of desolation"? To the Temple Mount in JERUSALEM, even while upon the Mount of Olives overlooking it!
The vile person of Dan.11 and Dan.9:27 will confirm a covenant for 7 years ("one week"), and then in the middle of the 7 years cause the daily sacrifice to cease, and will instead place the abomination that maketh desolate (Dan.11). That's inside a temple in Jerusalem, not Rome. Rome will never do animal sacrifices under an Old Covenant system. ONLY the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem today wish to bring those sacrifices of the Old Covenant back, for they STILL refuse Jesus of Nazareth as Christ The Messiah.
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Simple. Because the DAUGHTER does whatever the MOTHER wishes. I don’t doubt the documented involvement of the RCC in the killing of the Jews for a second. It’s plain to see. The reason for the killing was to create worldwide sympathy for the Jewish religion and prepare the people for the land. (WW1 was to prepare the land for the people).
You didn’t see? Ok lets go through it again:::::>>
1) The only references to great <3173> city <4172> in the Greek are in the Revelation. The first reference definitely refers to Jerusalem "where their Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great <3173> city <4172> which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.
Check out the others.
Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath.
Revelation 17:18 And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth."
Revelation 18:10 they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, "Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come." 16 "Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, bedecked with gold, with jewels, and with pearls! 18 and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, "What city was like the great city?" 19 And they threw dust on their heads, as they wept and mourned, crying out, "Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! In one hour she has been laid waste. 21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more;
2) Jerusalem is guilty of all of the blood of the righteous, saints, and prophets...
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come ALL the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah [A to Z], whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" (see also Luke 11:49-51)
while it is Babylon who is found drunk with the blood of the saints, prophets, and all slain upon the earth.
Revelation 17:5 and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations." 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.
Revelation 18:21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more... 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of ALL who have been slain on earth."
Revelation 19:2 for his judgments are true and just; he has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged on her the blood of his servants."
3) Because of her guilt, Jesus warns Jerusalem of her house being left desolate, and tells His disciples of it's destruction.
Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down."
The disciples first question to Him... WHEN will this [destruction of the temple] occur?
Matthew 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"
Luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is at hand. 21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the midst of the city depart, and let not those who are in the country enter the city; 22 because these are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "Woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babes in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land, and wrath to this people, 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
I am continually astonished when people view Luke 21:20-24 as a past occurrence. Considering the fact that the preceeding verses as well as the following verses are nearly identical to the accounts in Matthew and Mark, and considering the fact that Dan 11:45 has the Antichrist camped out "between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain" around the time of the beginning of the great trib (see 12:1), and considering Rev 11:2 says the outer court of the temple is given to the nations (Gr. ethnos) who"will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months," I think it is entirely probable that Jerusalem's desolation is yet future, and she "will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles (Gr. ethnos) until the times of the Gentiles (Gr. ethnos) be fulfilled."
Could this desolation Jesus warns of be a part of the destruction of Mystery Babylon the Great?... initiated by the abomination of desolation?
4) The Lord, through the prophet Jeremiah, warns "the daughter of Zion", pictured here as a harlot, and describes her desolation.
Jere 4:27 For thus says the Lord, "The whole land shall be a desolation, Yet I will not execute a complete destruction. 28 "For this the earth shall mourn, And the heavens above be dark, Because I have spoken, I have purposed, And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it." 29 At the sound of the horseman and bowman every city flees; They go into the thickets and climb among the rocks; Every city is forsaken, And no man dwells in them. 30 And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate [yourself with] ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; [Your] lovers despise you; They seek your life. 31 For I heard a cry as of a woman in labor, The anguish as of one giving birth to her first child, The cry of the daughter of Zion gasping for breath, Stretching out her hands, [saying,] "Ah, woe is me, for I faint before murderers."
Compare this account to the description of Mystery Babylon in the Revelation.
Reve 16:19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.. 17:4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality... 16 And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.
Could this merely be a coincidence?
5) Both Jerusalem and Babylon are destroyed by forces coming from the north.
Jer 1:14 Then the Lord said to me, " Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land. 15 "For, behold, I am calling all the families of the kingdoms of the north ," declares the Lord; "and they will come, and they will set each one his throne at the entrance of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all its walls round about, and against all the cities of Judah... 7:34 "Then I will make to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride; for the land will become a ruin... 26:2 ...'Stand in the court of the Lord's house, and speak to all the cities of Judah, who have come to worship [in] the Lord's house... 9 ...'This house will be like Shiloh , and this city will be desolate, without inhabitant'
Jer 50:1 The word which the Lord spoke concerning Babylon, the land of the Chaldeans, through Jeremiah the prophet...3 "For a nation has come up against her out of the north ; it will make her land an object of horror, and there will be no inhabitant in it.
6) Jerusalem and Babylon both drink from the cup of the Lord's anger.
Isai 51:17 Rouse yourself! Rouse yourself! Arise, O Jerusalem, You who have drunk from the Lord's hand the cup of His anger; The chalice of reeling you have drained to the dregs.
Reve 16:19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
7) One angel with a bowl said, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great HARLOT..." (Rev 17:1-19:4.) Immediately after that (Rev 19:5...) the BRIDE is ready! Then in Rev. 21:9..., another angel who had a bowl says "Come, I will show you the BRIDE, the wife of the Lamb..." Is it merely a coincidence that the bride has made herself ready only after (and immediately after) the harlot is judged?
8) Jerusalem is referred to as both a harlot and the Lord's bride.
Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem... 21. How the faithful city has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers. Ezekiel 16:2 "Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations..." (read whole chapter)
Jeremiah 2:2 "Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem, Thus says the LORD, I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed me in the wilderness, in a land not sown... 20. "For long ago you broke your yoke and burst your bonds; and you said, 'I will not serve.' Yea, upon every high hill and under every green tree you bowed down as a harlot. (see Jer.3.)
Revelation 21:9..."Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem...
9) Just before the 7th trumpet, the two witnesses/prophets are slain in Jerusalem (see Rev. 11:8 above.) Just after the 7th trumpet is sounded, an angel declares, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great..." (Rev. 14:8.) Is it just a coincidence, or are the two events (prophets being slain and Babylon being judged) related, possibly being a fulfillment of Matt. 23:34-35?
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come ALL the righteous blood shed on earth...
10) It seems that Jerusalem and New Jerusalem have a lot in common, or perhaps they are one and the same.
Isai 52:1 Awake, awake, Clothe yourself in your strength, O Zion; Clothe yourself in your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city. For the uncircumcised and the unclean Will no more come into you... 7 How lovely on the mountains Are the feet of him who brings good news... 60:3 "And nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising... 11 "And your gates will be open continually; They will not be closed day or night, So that [men] may bring to you the wealth of the nations, With their kings led in procession.
Nahu 1:15 Behold, on the mountains the feet of him who brings good news, Who announces peace! Celebrate your feasts, O Judah; Pay your vows. For never again will the wicked one pass through you; He is cut off completely.
Reve 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God (Rev 13:6) is among men, and He shall dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be among them... 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God... 24 And the nations shall walk by its light, and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it. 25 And in the daytime (for there shall be no night there) its gates shall never be closed; 26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; 27 and nothing unclean and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
It almost seems as if Jerusalem herself is "born-again"!
11) Why have a "New Jerusalem" if the old one is still around?
12) What is the big mystery in "Mystery Babylon" if it really is the same as historical Babylon?
13) Jerusalem is surrounded by seven hills
The president of Isreal is simply the political Zionist leader. Do US presidents meet with them. Of course. But what we really want to look out for is meetings with Talmudic Rabbis
What laws HAVN’T they changed. All bad fruit comes from the first peoples of the Bible, the Isrealites. They have provided ALL replacements for God on Earth INCLUDING the pagan RC hierarchy and the pope. RC doctrine can be traced directly to Talmudic Judaism.
Good post Doc, but I think your graphic list about ten kings is wrong.
Rev 17:12-14
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
(KJV)
The ten kings don't come to power until the beast king of the previous verses comes to power (dragon of Rev.13), and they rule with him for "one hour", wich is a metaphor for the tribulation time. That's confirmed in the 14th verse, because it's those ten kings that will make war with Christ at His coming, showing they all exist at the same time in the end of days. That is also the prophetic alignment given in Daniel when Christ (the "stone") comes to smite that final beast of ten toes upon its feet, and the whole statue image comes tumbling down, and then Christ's Kingdom and eternal reign is setup over all the earth.
Rev 17:12-14
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
(KJV)
The ten kings don't come to power until the beast king of the previous verses comes to power (dragon of Rev.13), and they rule with him for "one hour", wich is a metaphor for the tribulation time. That's confirmed in the 14th verse, because it's those ten kings that will make war with Christ at His coming, showing they all exist at the same time in the end of days. That is also the prophetic alignment given in Daniel when Christ (the "stone") comes to smite that final beast of ten toes upon its feet, and the whole statue image comes tumbling down, and then Christ's Kingdom and eternal reign is setup over all the earth.
So far, it looks like we've gone full circle, and now are back on my original subject about the MYSTERY part of MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT....
That mystery involves just HOW it is that Jerusalem could become a spiritual harlot against God.
Maybe some aren't familiar with why Satan wants to claim Jerusalem for himself, and why he would want to turn it into a harlot city for himself, and from that spot on earth rule over the rest of the earth.
It goes back to what Satan did to originally rebel against God, in coveting His Throne, in wanting to be The GOD. The LORD has already claimed Jerusalem on earth as His forever. That's God's claimed territory, and that's why Satan wants it.
That is why Satan has directed his servants on earth to try and take Jerusalem. That is also why in final he won't be successful in the long run.
That mystery involves a people on this earth that are Satan's own elect servants, what our Lord Jesus called "the synagogue of Satan". Those have been at work on the plan to take Jerusalem since times of old. The only reason our Heavenly Father has allowed Jerusalem to go in captivity to Satan's workers is using them as a punishment upon His people when they have been rebellious against Him.
If the deceived of Israel allow filthy abominations in Jerusalem again, which is what today's signs are showing with the intent to build another temple and start up Old Covenant worship again, and that being ended to place an idol abomination in it, we may expect God's judgments upon Jerusalem once again. Eventually there will be a final one. That pattern for Jerusalem won't continue forever.
Some may not like to hear about it, but using Jerusalem in such a way is what the plans for a one world government over all nations is about in the last days. This is why internationalists have declared Jerusalem as "the international city of peace" back in the '90's. That's why there is an attempt tody at a peace plan for Jerusalem by internationalists who intend to make Jerusalem their seat of control over all nations. Jerusalem today has not reached that point of becoming the ruling city over all nations yet. Their peace plan must happen first, and all nations must be led closer towards joining together under a one world government system, which is what nations giving up their national sovreignty is about. That is what the mystery for Jerusalem as a harlot city is about. It is why we should stay on watch with events going on in today's Jerusalem.
That mystery involves just HOW it is that Jerusalem could become a spiritual harlot against God.
Maybe some aren't familiar with why Satan wants to claim Jerusalem for himself, and why he would want to turn it into a harlot city for himself, and from that spot on earth rule over the rest of the earth.
It goes back to what Satan did to originally rebel against God, in coveting His Throne, in wanting to be The GOD. The LORD has already claimed Jerusalem on earth as His forever. That's God's claimed territory, and that's why Satan wants it.
That is why Satan has directed his servants on earth to try and take Jerusalem. That is also why in final he won't be successful in the long run.
That mystery involves a people on this earth that are Satan's own elect servants, what our Lord Jesus called "the synagogue of Satan". Those have been at work on the plan to take Jerusalem since times of old. The only reason our Heavenly Father has allowed Jerusalem to go in captivity to Satan's workers is using them as a punishment upon His people when they have been rebellious against Him.
If the deceived of Israel allow filthy abominations in Jerusalem again, which is what today's signs are showing with the intent to build another temple and start up Old Covenant worship again, and that being ended to place an idol abomination in it, we may expect God's judgments upon Jerusalem once again. Eventually there will be a final one. That pattern for Jerusalem won't continue forever.
Some may not like to hear about it, but using Jerusalem in such a way is what the plans for a one world government over all nations is about in the last days. This is why internationalists have declared Jerusalem as "the international city of peace" back in the '90's. That's why there is an attempt tody at a peace plan for Jerusalem by internationalists who intend to make Jerusalem their seat of control over all nations. Jerusalem today has not reached that point of becoming the ruling city over all nations yet. Their peace plan must happen first, and all nations must be led closer towards joining together under a one world government system, which is what nations giving up their national sovreignty is about. That is what the mystery for Jerusalem as a harlot city is about. It is why we should stay on watch with events going on in today's Jerusalem.
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I'm absolutely open to being in error there Veteran.
So in your opinion the ten kings are still unknown to us at this point is that correct?
Maybe they will be 10 new leaders in the New World Order goverment which will be unveiled in the future?
Interesting.
Excellent point veteran. I think I'll start a "NewsWire" thread so we can try to make sense of reports coming from major news outlets regarding Jerusalem, one world government and other prophetic occurences.
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Veteran....does this make any sense as an explanation of the seven heads living at the same time as the 10 crowns from my other graphic.
Does it makes sense now?
Does it makes sense now?
That's still not the layout I see per Scripture. You're focusing the eight kings on the Herods that were over just a small area of the Roman empire (Judea, Samaria, etc.) and remember, the final pattern is about eight kings, not seven, and seven mountains, or areas.
Comparing those "seven heads" (mountains) with the ones of Rev.12:3 at Satan's rebellion of old is important. We cannot apply the Herods to the "seven heads" of Satan's system he first rebelled against God with in Rev.12:3, because the Herods didn't exist in that time of old. Those "seven heads" of Rev.12:3 serve as a blueprint fo the seven in Rev.17. Also, the idea that one of the seven heads is to suffer a deadly wound per Rev.13 is tied to the seven heads idea. Because of this, I don't believe the "seven heads" is about succession of kings, but about areas upon the earth, which is why Christ used "mountains" to describe the seven heads.
Rev 17:9-14
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
If the seven heads represent Jerusalem's seven hills, that's also a problem with that view using the Herods, because they didn't only rule over Judea, but lands in the north like Samaria and Galilee also. In Rev.17:15 Christ reveals the first beast of Rev.13:1 involves peoples, nations, tongues, and multitudes. These "mountains" (seven heads) I believe point to a much wider area of the earth than just the middleast. In Rev.14 & 18, "all nations" are deceived by the Babylon harlot working, not just the area of Judea.
Even because our Lord Jesus uses the name Babylon to point to the controls of that "woman" harlot, many nations and areas of the earth must be involved, simply because many nations and peoples and more areas of the earh than Judea were involved under the historical Babylon beast empire.
The seven kings of Rev.17 represent kings of the old pagan empires, the sixth being the Roman empire in John's day, and the seventh has not yet come (still not yet today). That is discovered by understanding Rev.17:8 & 11 is about the idea of a 'beast king' that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition. And, he is the eighth king and OF the seven. That's a reference to Satan himself, for Satan has been head over all the previous beast kings, and he is king over the locust army per Rev.9 as the angel of the bottomless pit. Even the name Apollyon (from apollumi to perish fully) is another title for Satan given there. Only Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perdition into the "lake of fire". Not even Judas, nor the Herods, or Ceasars have been judged yet, for that will only happen after Christ's future thousand years reign, at the great white throne judgment.
The ten kings of Rev.17:12 are not the same ones, for the ten all reign together at the SAME TIME, with the 'beast king' (Satan or dragon). It's about 11 kings total. Satan is the "little horn" king that will come up among these ten kings. The ten don't receive power to rule until Satan as king comes to power on the earth in the last days. Those ten kings MUST be existed in power on earth, WITH the 'beast king", when Christ comes to set up His everlasting Kingdom upon this earth. That's what Daniel 2 reveals.
In Dan.2 there's 5 beast kingdoms being described, not four. The Book of Daniel declares that the beast kingdom of feet of ten toes of iron mixed with clay will exist in the days when Christ comes to strike it upon its feet, and the whole statue image of the beast comes tumbling down, never to rise again. That 5th beast of ten toes is not yet manifest upon this earth, but it's in process right now. That final beast kingdom will include ALL the previous beast kingdoms of history along with it, under its power, which is why the gold, the silver, the brass, the iron, and the clay, ALL come tumbling down together when Christ stikes it upon its feet at His coming.
SO YES, THE NEW WORLD ORDER, OR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, is that 5th beast kingdom to cover ALL the earth, ALL NATIONS, and ALL PEOPLES, in the last days.
Comparing those "seven heads" (mountains) with the ones of Rev.12:3 at Satan's rebellion of old is important. We cannot apply the Herods to the "seven heads" of Satan's system he first rebelled against God with in Rev.12:3, because the Herods didn't exist in that time of old. Those "seven heads" of Rev.12:3 serve as a blueprint fo the seven in Rev.17. Also, the idea that one of the seven heads is to suffer a deadly wound per Rev.13 is tied to the seven heads idea. Because of this, I don't believe the "seven heads" is about succession of kings, but about areas upon the earth, which is why Christ used "mountains" to describe the seven heads.
Rev 17:9-14
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
If the seven heads represent Jerusalem's seven hills, that's also a problem with that view using the Herods, because they didn't only rule over Judea, but lands in the north like Samaria and Galilee also. In Rev.17:15 Christ reveals the first beast of Rev.13:1 involves peoples, nations, tongues, and multitudes. These "mountains" (seven heads) I believe point to a much wider area of the earth than just the middleast. In Rev.14 & 18, "all nations" are deceived by the Babylon harlot working, not just the area of Judea.
Even because our Lord Jesus uses the name Babylon to point to the controls of that "woman" harlot, many nations and areas of the earth must be involved, simply because many nations and peoples and more areas of the earh than Judea were involved under the historical Babylon beast empire.
The seven kings of Rev.17 represent kings of the old pagan empires, the sixth being the Roman empire in John's day, and the seventh has not yet come (still not yet today). That is discovered by understanding Rev.17:8 & 11 is about the idea of a 'beast king' that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition. And, he is the eighth king and OF the seven. That's a reference to Satan himself, for Satan has been head over all the previous beast kings, and he is king over the locust army per Rev.9 as the angel of the bottomless pit. Even the name Apollyon (from apollumi to perish fully) is another title for Satan given there. Only Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perdition into the "lake of fire". Not even Judas, nor the Herods, or Ceasars have been judged yet, for that will only happen after Christ's future thousand years reign, at the great white throne judgment.
The ten kings of Rev.17:12 are not the same ones, for the ten all reign together at the SAME TIME, with the 'beast king' (Satan or dragon). It's about 11 kings total. Satan is the "little horn" king that will come up among these ten kings. The ten don't receive power to rule until Satan as king comes to power on the earth in the last days. Those ten kings MUST be existed in power on earth, WITH the 'beast king", when Christ comes to set up His everlasting Kingdom upon this earth. That's what Daniel 2 reveals.
In Dan.2 there's 5 beast kingdoms being described, not four. The Book of Daniel declares that the beast kingdom of feet of ten toes of iron mixed with clay will exist in the days when Christ comes to strike it upon its feet, and the whole statue image of the beast comes tumbling down, never to rise again. That 5th beast of ten toes is not yet manifest upon this earth, but it's in process right now. That final beast kingdom will include ALL the previous beast kingdoms of history along with it, under its power, which is why the gold, the silver, the brass, the iron, and the clay, ALL come tumbling down together when Christ stikes it upon its feet at His coming.
SO YES, THE NEW WORLD ORDER, OR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, is that 5th beast kingdom to cover ALL the earth, ALL NATIONS, and ALL PEOPLES, in the last days.
I don't know what false church denominations are over there in Jerusalem on all those holy sites? I've never been to Jerusalem to see and don't care to go. I wouldn't dream of going over there with all those false churches scattered around the city!!!! I'm staying away! The nation is only inviting some very bad demonic problems for themselves by encouraging all these false christians to be involved with her.
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THE MYSTERY has to do with the mystery of sin - such as it is.
There is no mystery about the role that Babylon will play in the end times.
Scripture says that it will be utterly destroyed in an hour of time, and that hasn't happened yet.
Babylon is a REAL PLACE which has always been inhabited.
Interpretation of its role in the latter days states that the city will play a role as the center of world commerce; the finest jewel in the ACs crown. It will be a place riddled with sin and debauchery of every sort. Anything a person could possibly want will be available there for a price; sort of Vegas on steroids.
Go out and Google "rebuilding Babylon" and you'll discover that the American Federal government is already at work on rebuilding and refurbishing the ancient place. America has lots of experience at building sinful places in the desert. Why shouldn't we build it?
That's our government at work, folks.
Doing the work of the devil right under our noses with taxpayer money.
Kinda makes you proud to be an American doesn't it?
NOT
Is there any doubt remaining about the spiritual condition of our leaders these days?
There is no mystery about the role that Babylon will play in the end times.
Scripture says that it will be utterly destroyed in an hour of time, and that hasn't happened yet.
Babylon is a REAL PLACE which has always been inhabited.
Interpretation of its role in the latter days states that the city will play a role as the center of world commerce; the finest jewel in the ACs crown. It will be a place riddled with sin and debauchery of every sort. Anything a person could possibly want will be available there for a price; sort of Vegas on steroids.
Go out and Google "rebuilding Babylon" and you'll discover that the American Federal government is already at work on rebuilding and refurbishing the ancient place. America has lots of experience at building sinful places in the desert. Why shouldn't we build it?
That's our government at work, folks.
Doing the work of the devil right under our noses with taxpayer money.
Kinda makes you proud to be an American doesn't it?
NOT
Is there any doubt remaining about the spiritual condition of our leaders these days?
The idea of historical Babylon is indeed what you're saying, but our Lord Jesus in His Book of Revelation was not speaking of the literal geographic location in today's Iraq. He was applying Babylon as a metaphor for fallen Jerusalem in our near future.
Historical Sumer-Babylon was the birthplace of idol worship and pagan ceremonial worship. It is where all the other forms of pagan idol worship sprang from. And one of the huge forms of that was the "mysteries", or mystery religion, or mystery schools.
An ancient priest class formed over the people, and they practiced the "mysteries" of pagan worship of just about anything and everything except our Heavenly Father. God gave us the example of Ezekiel 8 that shows us some of those old pagan ideas of the mystery religions that even some of His people had resorted to. Much of old Israel's falling away involved following the pagan religious beliefs of the nations around them. This is why even the Jewish rabbi have a version of it called the Kabbalah, which is a Jewish form of mysticism.
In ancient Sumer (pre-Babylon), a semite named Sargon I arrived there and gave the people already there knowledge and science, and instituted false religion with a priest cast. They called him 'son of Bel', or son of the dragon. Along with that an ancient account of the creation was written down on clay tablets (Babylonian Tablets). But the account is twisted though having some obvious associations with the authentic account recorded by God through Moses in The Bible. Sargon built the first city there also. I strongly believe that may have been Cain himself when God cast him to the land of Nod.
In that respect, Cain who murdered his brother Abel because of being jealous of God's acceptance of Abel's sacrifice, started false worship on earth against God and His children. And no doubt Sargon (possibly Cain) had help in initiating false religious worship from the devil himself, since God uses the title of the dragon as a title for Satan.
In Matthew 13, our Lord Jesus gives us evidence of God's true mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which was given for His Apostles to know. But the form of 'mysteries' that came out of ancient Sumer-Babylon under Sargon that instituted the idea of false religious worship on the earth represents Satan's version of God's mysteries. And thus the 'mystery schools' began, and continued to other lands, and still exist today, mostly among the fraternities of mystical initiation.
We are constantly being bombarded by ideas that originate from those pagan mysteries with TV programs, movies, tons of literature, in the public education system, and even within some Christian Churches today. Most families in the west have at least one relative somewhere that has been initiated in one or more fraternities that claim to have possession of the ancient mystery school traditions of the ancients. Many of these initiates are in positions of power all over the globe.
A work I recommend to look at that mystery school history was written by a member of the Philosophical Research Society, a society that statesman Benjamin Franklin started. The work is called 'The Secret Teachings Of All Ages' by Manly P. Hall. It is a work that even initiates today often refer to.
THAT is what endtime Babylon is really about, because action originates from ideas. And pagan idealism from the mystery schools is what is constantly being served to the public, but in a masked form (evolution theory actually originates from the pagan mystery schools). Even when the American colonies began, fraternities in Europe applied America's birth under the idea of a resurrecting of the lost city of Atlantis (see Francis Bacon's work The New Atlantis).
The mystery school initiates (including Plato) maintain a legend of the lost city of Atlantis. They teach that Atlantis was a highly developed civilization with advanced technology, and that there were two priest castes, one a negative and another working for positive. They claim the good priests were forewarned of the coming destruction of Atlantis, and they then escaped to other continents, which may solve the riddle of how the idea of pyramid structures are found on separate continents. In the process, the initiates claim the Lost Word of The Ancients was preserved by them, but was to only be passed on by oral tradition through mystical initiation. What that legend actually points to, is the destruction God brought by a flood in the time of Satan's original rebellion against him, since the legend claims Atlantis sunk. And the Lost Word points to Satan losing his high status as a cherub created to guard God's Throne. The Lost Word is actually about the loss of God's Word The Truth. But the initiates have formed a mask over that term Lost Word to make their lower initiates think it's about mystical words of power that was originally everyone's heritage, but the majority lost with the sinking of Atlantis.
Their study is the study and mastery of the laws of nature and of the universe, and of the spirit world. This is why many of the most learned men and scientists of history have also been initiates in the ancient mystery schools. If it was only about worshipping a tree and sacrifices, it wouldn't attract learned minds. Sir Francis Bacon was said to be Imperator of the Rosicrucian order (ancient order of the rose cross) in his day. Benjamin Franklin was both a Mason and a Rosicrucian. And it was Francis Bacon that gave man the scientific method which all university Bachelor of Science degrees are based upon.
A prime example of how the priests of the ancient mysteries mask truth is with the corruptions of the original meanings of the Zodiac constellations. E.W.Bullinger, a British Christian scholar traveled to research the real origins and twisting of the names of the 12 constellations, and discovered how their original meanings had been placed in confusion by the ancient pagan priests. He discovered the original Zodiac constellation meanings align with God's Plan of Salvation, showing that God's Word is actually written in the star constellations (see his work The Witness To The Stars).
Why would a priest caste want to hide the truth by masking it with all sorts of mysterious symbols and pagan gods? It was in order to control the masses, while only allowing those they thought worthy to advance into their inner circle. We should easily see this working within how the scribes and Pharisees worked at Christ's first coming. It was 'their' traditions formed under captivity to Babylon that was masking much of God's Truth from His Word. The scribes and Pharisees even created a manual that followed what the ancient mystery school priest caste does in philosophizing truth in order to hide truth, and that manual is called the Babylonian Talmud, a work written loosely based on The Bible. It's the same type working as what the priest caste in ancient Babylon did with masking the authentic creation account into a pagan account involving mysteries. Only the priest caste would understand it. And then only those they allowed into their mysteries would even have a clue of that mask.
So the main purpose and strategy of the initiate fraternities of the mystery schools is especially about taking control with power to rule over the whole earth, while at the same time, leading a sincere person who is seeking God off the beaten path to false religon and following the devil in place of The Father through His Son Jesus Christ.
And how ultimately is that working on earth to play out for the last days? Jerusalem is where God has chosen to dwell forever. And that's especially the area on earth those of the mystery schools want as their capital city when God allows them to setup their kingdom over all nations in our near future. This is why our Lord Jesus uses the terms "MYSTERY" and "BABYLON" in the same phrase of Rev.17:5. This is why today's internationalists have been trying to establish a peace agreement for Jerusalem, for it's those "mysteries" many of the internationalists are involved with. And western Europe has a long history of existing initiatic orders (F.U.D.O.S.I. if you can find anything on it, which was an organization that existed in the early 1900's which included 12 initiate fraternities that held meetings in Lyons, France). It's that system of those who work behind the scenes that represent the locust working God described in the Book of Joel, and our Lord Jesus revealed to John in Revelation 9.
We who stand in Christ Jesus should not be ignorant of that working. Only God will end that working on this earth when His Son returns. But we should not mistake where the origins of the real strife on this earth is coming from. It is coming from Satan and his host that are given to work on this earth, and many of that host are in high seats within the mystery school fraternities of initiatic secret societies. It doesn't matter that many good people today are wrapped up in the lower memberships of those secret societies, for they joined either for selfish reasons to advance themselves, or turned away from God's Word to be fooled into something they allow to deceive them. The majority of the lower members will never reach the higher levels to ever discover what the main workings of the initiatic secret societies are about. Their part in doing goods works serves only as a disguise for those involved at the higher levels that use the principle of 'the end justifies the means.'
Historical Sumer-Babylon was the birthplace of idol worship and pagan ceremonial worship. It is where all the other forms of pagan idol worship sprang from. And one of the huge forms of that was the "mysteries", or mystery religion, or mystery schools.
An ancient priest class formed over the people, and they practiced the "mysteries" of pagan worship of just about anything and everything except our Heavenly Father. God gave us the example of Ezekiel 8 that shows us some of those old pagan ideas of the mystery religions that even some of His people had resorted to. Much of old Israel's falling away involved following the pagan religious beliefs of the nations around them. This is why even the Jewish rabbi have a version of it called the Kabbalah, which is a Jewish form of mysticism.
In ancient Sumer (pre-Babylon), a semite named Sargon I arrived there and gave the people already there knowledge and science, and instituted false religion with a priest cast. They called him 'son of Bel', or son of the dragon. Along with that an ancient account of the creation was written down on clay tablets (Babylonian Tablets). But the account is twisted though having some obvious associations with the authentic account recorded by God through Moses in The Bible. Sargon built the first city there also. I strongly believe that may have been Cain himself when God cast him to the land of Nod.
In that respect, Cain who murdered his brother Abel because of being jealous of God's acceptance of Abel's sacrifice, started false worship on earth against God and His children. And no doubt Sargon (possibly Cain) had help in initiating false religious worship from the devil himself, since God uses the title of the dragon as a title for Satan.
In Matthew 13, our Lord Jesus gives us evidence of God's true mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which was given for His Apostles to know. But the form of 'mysteries' that came out of ancient Sumer-Babylon under Sargon that instituted the idea of false religious worship on the earth represents Satan's version of God's mysteries. And thus the 'mystery schools' began, and continued to other lands, and still exist today, mostly among the fraternities of mystical initiation.
We are constantly being bombarded by ideas that originate from those pagan mysteries with TV programs, movies, tons of literature, in the public education system, and even within some Christian Churches today. Most families in the west have at least one relative somewhere that has been initiated in one or more fraternities that claim to have possession of the ancient mystery school traditions of the ancients. Many of these initiates are in positions of power all over the globe.
A work I recommend to look at that mystery school history was written by a member of the Philosophical Research Society, a society that statesman Benjamin Franklin started. The work is called 'The Secret Teachings Of All Ages' by Manly P. Hall. It is a work that even initiates today often refer to.
THAT is what endtime Babylon is really about, because action originates from ideas. And pagan idealism from the mystery schools is what is constantly being served to the public, but in a masked form (evolution theory actually originates from the pagan mystery schools). Even when the American colonies began, fraternities in Europe applied America's birth under the idea of a resurrecting of the lost city of Atlantis (see Francis Bacon's work The New Atlantis).
The mystery school initiates (including Plato) maintain a legend of the lost city of Atlantis. They teach that Atlantis was a highly developed civilization with advanced technology, and that there were two priest castes, one a negative and another working for positive. They claim the good priests were forewarned of the coming destruction of Atlantis, and they then escaped to other continents, which may solve the riddle of how the idea of pyramid structures are found on separate continents. In the process, the initiates claim the Lost Word of The Ancients was preserved by them, but was to only be passed on by oral tradition through mystical initiation. What that legend actually points to, is the destruction God brought by a flood in the time of Satan's original rebellion against him, since the legend claims Atlantis sunk. And the Lost Word points to Satan losing his high status as a cherub created to guard God's Throne. The Lost Word is actually about the loss of God's Word The Truth. But the initiates have formed a mask over that term Lost Word to make their lower initiates think it's about mystical words of power that was originally everyone's heritage, but the majority lost with the sinking of Atlantis.
Their study is the study and mastery of the laws of nature and of the universe, and of the spirit world. This is why many of the most learned men and scientists of history have also been initiates in the ancient mystery schools. If it was only about worshipping a tree and sacrifices, it wouldn't attract learned minds. Sir Francis Bacon was said to be Imperator of the Rosicrucian order (ancient order of the rose cross) in his day. Benjamin Franklin was both a Mason and a Rosicrucian. And it was Francis Bacon that gave man the scientific method which all university Bachelor of Science degrees are based upon.
A prime example of how the priests of the ancient mysteries mask truth is with the corruptions of the original meanings of the Zodiac constellations. E.W.Bullinger, a British Christian scholar traveled to research the real origins and twisting of the names of the 12 constellations, and discovered how their original meanings had been placed in confusion by the ancient pagan priests. He discovered the original Zodiac constellation meanings align with God's Plan of Salvation, showing that God's Word is actually written in the star constellations (see his work The Witness To The Stars).
Why would a priest caste want to hide the truth by masking it with all sorts of mysterious symbols and pagan gods? It was in order to control the masses, while only allowing those they thought worthy to advance into their inner circle. We should easily see this working within how the scribes and Pharisees worked at Christ's first coming. It was 'their' traditions formed under captivity to Babylon that was masking much of God's Truth from His Word. The scribes and Pharisees even created a manual that followed what the ancient mystery school priest caste does in philosophizing truth in order to hide truth, and that manual is called the Babylonian Talmud, a work written loosely based on The Bible. It's the same type working as what the priest caste in ancient Babylon did with masking the authentic creation account into a pagan account involving mysteries. Only the priest caste would understand it. And then only those they allowed into their mysteries would even have a clue of that mask.
So the main purpose and strategy of the initiate fraternities of the mystery schools is especially about taking control with power to rule over the whole earth, while at the same time, leading a sincere person who is seeking God off the beaten path to false religon and following the devil in place of The Father through His Son Jesus Christ.
And how ultimately is that working on earth to play out for the last days? Jerusalem is where God has chosen to dwell forever. And that's especially the area on earth those of the mystery schools want as their capital city when God allows them to setup their kingdom over all nations in our near future. This is why our Lord Jesus uses the terms "MYSTERY" and "BABYLON" in the same phrase of Rev.17:5. This is why today's internationalists have been trying to establish a peace agreement for Jerusalem, for it's those "mysteries" many of the internationalists are involved with. And western Europe has a long history of existing initiatic orders (F.U.D.O.S.I. if you can find anything on it, which was an organization that existed in the early 1900's which included 12 initiate fraternities that held meetings in Lyons, France). It's that system of those who work behind the scenes that represent the locust working God described in the Book of Joel, and our Lord Jesus revealed to John in Revelation 9.
We who stand in Christ Jesus should not be ignorant of that working. Only God will end that working on this earth when His Son returns. But we should not mistake where the origins of the real strife on this earth is coming from. It is coming from Satan and his host that are given to work on this earth, and many of that host are in high seats within the mystery school fraternities of initiatic secret societies. It doesn't matter that many good people today are wrapped up in the lower memberships of those secret societies, for they joined either for selfish reasons to advance themselves, or turned away from God's Word to be fooled into something they allow to deceive them. The majority of the lower members will never reach the higher levels to ever discover what the main workings of the initiatic secret societies are about. Their part in doing goods works serves only as a disguise for those involved at the higher levels that use the principle of 'the end justifies the means.'
Hi everone. i am new to this kind of thing so bear with me. im a believer in the UK. has anyone ever read or heard the
reformed historical interpretation on th book of revalation?
AGAIN ?
That whole thing of oral law being placed above Torah --- the abominations and harlotry to idols NEVER LEFT.
Babylonian talmud began the overspreading of abominations - once it hit Israel, it went everywhere else, and mutated / picked up garbage from other sources as it went.
Take a look at Eze. where He says "son of man, set your face against Jerusalem ..."
"see the 70 elders of Israel ... " (those who think they are hidden in what they TRULY practice --- the SANHEDRIN being reformed is a big thing to look at here)
"see those weeping for Tammuz"
and finally ...
"see those who cry out for all the idols spread through My city ...." (paraphrased, these are the ones who realize the worship is not what Judaism used to be)
those chapters in early Eze. still have a final fulfillment ....
"A work I recommend to look at that mystery school history was written by a member of the Philosophical Research Society, a society that statesman Benjamin Franklin started. The work is called 'The Secret Teachings Of All Ages' by Manly P. Hall. It is a work that even initiates today often refer to."
Brother, if you are aware of these things or were aware of them before / as you began to heed His call - that is one thing.
Those seeking to follow Him are better off sticking with the Word which is sharper than any 2 edged sword.
Things of confusion ultimately just slows your spiritual growth.
and may very well be a stumbling block to a young one ....
People have GOT to stop assuming that
1- a PHYSICAL EVENT in the past automatically means prophecy refers to a PHYSICAL FULFILLMENT
2- turn that first sentence inside out
There were about one percent of people alive back then as there are now --- they way Yah spoke forth His word to us in THESE DAYS was to allow these physical events to flourish and grow in a spiritual application
Why did the Jews not recognize Yeshua ? because He wasnt their warrior-king, throwing down Rome's rule by physical force
He said, "greater things that these, even you will do"
but we do not go and draw a physical sword against all those who give an outward appearance of evil .... "our battle is not against the flesh"
Yes, I'm aware that still has a fulfillment for the last days. That's what I've been covering on this thread. And if Christ's people are not at least somewhat aware of how His enemies work in the end, they won't know about the "strong delusion" of the last days. God didn't give us those false worship events of Ezekiel 8 as a lesson pattern of warning for nothing. He showed us how to identify the works of iniquity.
You're right, anyone believing the things in that work would create confusion in their mind. But someone with Faith on Christ Jesus shouldn't be subject to falling away by reading that history, it's not a book of incantations and formulas or anything of that sort. My main point in naming that work was to show how even American statesman and scientist Benjamin Franklin was deceived somewhat in spiritual matters involving the 'mysteries'.
The harlot sits upon the beast.
The harlot=Jerusalem
The beast=the kingdom
The beast is the promised land.You only need look at its heads to know it is describing the terrain.
The seven heads are seven mountains .The ten horns upon that kingdom are kings .
The little horn that came up last represents the nation state of Israel who as the scripture tells ,defeated Syria,Jordan and Egypt which are three of the horns in the promised land.
It is that nation state ofIsrael that shall kill the saints.
Mt 23;34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:
I think its quite strange how Jesus talks about that nation state of Israel killing the saints and yet the christians in the US support tthat antichrist nation.
Strange indeed.
The harlot=Jerusalem
The beast=the kingdom
The beast is the promised land.You only need look at its heads to know it is describing the terrain.
The seven heads are seven mountains .The ten horns upon that kingdom are kings .
The little horn that came up last represents the nation state of Israel who as the scripture tells ,defeated Syria,Jordan and Egypt which are three of the horns in the promised land.
It is that nation state ofIsrael that shall kill the saints.
Mt 23;34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:
I think its quite strange how Jesus talks about that nation state of Israel killing the saints and yet the christians in the US support tthat antichrist nation.
Strange indeed.
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