How Do You Observe Your Sabbath

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First things first......we have strayed way away from the lesson of, "How to you observe your Sabbath"

I do have a few lessons on God's law's and also a few on the laws that Paul taught, which I will post in the future.

But for now, if we could, let's try to stay focused on God's sabbath and how HE said it is to be observed.

If you do not believe God has given us rules on how His sabbath is to be observed, then sobeit. That goes against the word of God, but that is your choice!

This lesson is to let those that may not know, that God indeed has rules that are to be obeyed concerning His sabbath. And they are the following;


1. We ARE to rest on the Sabbath. Lev.23:3 "...but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest..."

2. We are NOT to cook on the Sabbath. Ex.16:23,26 "...bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

3. We are NOT to do any manner of work (If it can be avoided,) on the Sabbath. Lev.23:3 "
Six days shall work be done...ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4. We ARE to have an Holy Convocation on the Sabbath. Lev.23:3 "...
but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation..."

5. We are NOT to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath, if it can be avoided. Neh.13:15-22 "In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals." "
And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day."

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We are NOT to engage in our own pleasures on God‘s Sabbath. Isa.58:13,14 "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:" "Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."


So there you have it. Six simple Rules God gave us so that we would know how HE wants us to serve Him on HIS sabbath day.


Again....if you do not agree, sobeit. This lesson is not for you. This lesson is for those that, as God word says;

"And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;
They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;"

This lesson is for those that have chosen to separate themselves from those that choose not to keep God's laws, and for those that have knowledge and understanding. To encourage them to continue in God's laws.

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Is that how the priests that had temple duty kept the sabbath?
 

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Is that how the priests that had temple duty kept the sabbath?

All those that knew the true word of God kept God's sabbath according to His laws.

I cannot speak on how those priest that did not follow God's sabbath laws kept them.

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All those that knew the true word of God kept God's sabbath according to His laws.

I cannot speak on how those priest that did not follow God's sabbath laws kept them.

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OK guess I'll play along with your little dodge. How did the priests in accordance with God's requirements keep the sabbath while on temple duty?
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OK guess I'll play along with your little dodge. How did the priests in accordance with God's requirements keep the sabbath while on temple duty?
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Not into games!

No one is asking you to change your ways.

This lesson is for those that have chosen to separate themselves from those that choose not to keep God's laws, and for those that have knowledge and understanding. To encourage them to continue in God's laws.


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Not into games!

No one is asking you to change your ways.

This lesson is for those that have chosen to separate themselves from those that choose not to keep God's laws, and for those that have knowledge and understanding. To encourage them to continue in God's laws.


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The correct answer is the old covenant priests worked and had double duty on the sabbath as God instructed them. So it is clear that just as tithing and keeping feasts were old covenant rituals and are impossible to keep without compromising who we are under the new covenant so it is with the old covenant practice of keeping the sabbath. These things were mere shadows or glimpses of the Christ who was to come and now has come. All is fulfilled by simply abiding in Him and trying to keep the statutes of the old covenant, which God has set aside is ludicrous.
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The correct answer is the old covenant priests worked and had double duty on the sabbath as God instructed them. So it is clear that just as tithing and keeping feasts were old covenant rituals and are impossible to keep without compromising who we are under the new covenant so it is with the old covenant practice of keeping the sabbath. These things were mere shadows or glimpses of the Christ who was to come and now has come. All is fulfilled by simply abiding in Him and trying to keep the statutes of the old covenant, which God has set aside is ludicrous.
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jiggyfly, The sabbath day was a sign for Israel for a perpetual (Neverceasing; continuing forever or for an unlimited time; unfailing; everlasting; continuous. [1913 Webster]) covenant..
Exodus 15: [sup]15[/sup]Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [sup]16[/sup]Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

[sup]17[/sup]It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

And what Israel had to do, the strangers or gentiles as they are known today has to do also!!!

Isaiah 56:[sup]2[/sup]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

[sup]3[/sup]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

[sup]4[/sup]For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

[sup]5[/sup]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

[sup]6[/sup]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

[sup]7[/sup]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

[sup]8[/sup]The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Rev 2: 17 [sup]17[/sup]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelations says he that overcomes will get a new name. Isaiah said a everlasting name.....
So the God of Israel says, To him that overcomes that has joined himself to Israel and keeps his sabbath and covenant, He will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. The Lord said in Isaiah vs 8 Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him, The others he is speaking of here, is the stranger. But these promises are for those who keep his sign, the perpetual covenant. THE SABBATH INCLUDED!!!!


Just in case you don't understand, here is another example of a perpetual covenant sign...Genesis 9:

[sup]11[/sup]And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

[sup]12[/sup]And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

[sup]13[/sup]I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

We continue to see this sign til this very time.... And so it is with the Lord's sabbath day!!!!!

Now that you know truth, What are you going to do about it?



 

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jiggyfly, The sabbath day was a sign for Israel for a perpetual (Neverceasing; continuing forever or for an unlimited time; unfailing; everlasting; continuous. [1913 Webster]) covenant..
Exodus 15: [sup]15[/sup]Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [sup]16[/sup]Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

[sup]17[/sup]It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

And what Israel had to do, the strangers or gentiles as they are known today has to do also!!!

Isaiah 56:[sup]2[/sup]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

[sup]3[/sup]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

[sup]4[/sup]For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

[sup]5[/sup]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

[sup]6[/sup]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

[sup]7[/sup]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

[sup]8[/sup]The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Rev 2: 17 [sup]17[/sup]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelations says he that overcomes will get a new name. Isaiah said a everlasting name.....
So the God of Israel says, To him that overcomes that has joined himself to Israel and keeps his sabbath and covenant, He will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. The Lord said in Isaiah vs 8 Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him, The others he is speaking of here, is the stranger. But these promises are for those who keep his sign, the perpetual covenant. THE SABBATH INCLUDED!!!!


Just in case you don't understand, here is another example of a perpetual covenant sign...Genesis 9:

[sup]11[/sup]And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

[sup]12[/sup]And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

[sup]13[/sup]I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

We continue to see this sign til this very time.... And so it is with the Lord's sabbath day!!!!!

Now that you know truth, What are you going to do about it?




Have you ever done a word study on the Hebrew word owlam ? Do you know what it means? I have been trying to help you see the truth
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Have you ever done a word study on the Hebrew word owlam ? Do you know what it means? I have been trying to help you see the truth
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So are you trying to say we need to know Hebrew and Greek to know the truth..... I think not, for God said through the mouth of his prophet Isaiah.
Isaiah 28:

[sup]10[/sup]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

[sup]11[/sup]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

I don't speak Hebrew. But I recognize the evidence of perpetual when I see the rainbow. God perpetual token or sign of not flooding the earth with water. Do you believe in that perpetual covenant? I Do!!! So it makes sense to reason God's perpetual covenant sign of the sabbath is still valid.


2 Cor. 11:[sup]2[/sup]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

[sup]3[/sup]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

[sup]4[/sup]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Do not have your mind corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Because if someone comes preaching another Jesus, that they didn't preach, we should beware of that person. We have to do according to Jesus customs.

Luke 4:[sup]15[/sup]And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

[sup]16[/sup]And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

[sup]17[/sup]And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
 

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If this topics get too overheated I will close it, so take a breath before you post!
 

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So it is clear that just as tithing and keeping feasts were old covenant rituals and are impossible to keep without compromising

Why do you think that because God's laws were not kept perfectly or cannot be kept perfectly, they are not to be tried to be kept at all? Again..nowhere will you ever find that just because God's laws were not kept perfectly, He decided to just do away with them.

Let's read of 2 cases where God's laws were broken, but those that broke His law were held blameless...


Matt.12
[1] At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
[2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
[3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

David ate that which was only for the priest! Why? Because David was being chased by Saul all over the kingdom. He and his men did not have time to prepare for the Sabbath but they had to eat. Did God hold guilt to David? Of course not.

Nor did He hold guilt to the priest that "worked" on the Sabbath. That was their job so they too were held blameless!

This is what Jesus came to do. To put an end to all of the "added" laws the Pharisees put on the Sabbath and all of God's other laws. Basically Jesus came to tell them to just use some "common sense" and do away with all of the "non-sense."

Now how about answering one of the questions I presented earlier.....

"Was Adam under the curse of the law?"


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So are you trying to say we need to know Hebrew and Greek to know the truth..... I think not, for God said through the mouth of his prophet Isaiah.
Isaiah 28:

[sup]10[/sup]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

[sup]11[/sup]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

I don't speak Hebrew. But I recognize the evidence of perpetual when I see the rainbow. God perpetual token or sign of not flooding the earth with water. Do you believe in that perpetual covenant? I Do!!! So it makes sense to reason God's perpetual covenant sign of the sabbath is still valid.


2 Cor. 11:[sup]2[/sup]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

[sup]3[/sup]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

[sup]4[/sup]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Do not have your mind corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Because if someone comes preaching another Jesus, that they didn't preach, we should beware of that person. We have to do according to Jesus customs.

Luke 4:[sup]15[/sup]And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

[sup]16[/sup]And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

[sup]17[/sup]And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

I'm saying that you are unknowingly misquoting the scriptures. Owlam does not mean for ever as KJV translates.
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I'm saying that you are unknowingly misquoting the scriptures. Owlam does not mean for ever as KJV translates.
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When you look up o-lawm עלם עולם
It is the same word use for both Gen. 9:12 and Exodus 31:16...My initial point still stands. The sign of the rainbow is still visible . So I must conclude that the sabbath day still stands.....If the word o-lawm was used in Genesis, then again used in Exodus please explain to me your point.....If you feel you don't have to keep the sabbath day or God covenant, then that is your choice. So far you have been unable to prove to me out of the scriptures that God's sabbath day is no longer a standing covenant.
 

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When you look up o-lawm עלם עולם
It is the same word use for both Gen. 9:12 and Exodus 31:16...My initial point still stands. The sign of the rainbow is still visible . So I must conclude that the sabbath day still stands.....If the word o-lawm was used in Genesis, then again used in Exodus please explain to me your point.....If you feel you don't have to keep the sabbath day or God covenant, then that is your choice. So far you have been unable to prove to me out of the scriptures that God's sabbath day is no longer a standing covenant.


I went down [sup]3381[/sup] to the bottoms [sup]7095[/sup] of the mountains [sup]2022[/sup]; the earth [sup]776[/sup] with her bars [sup]1280[/sup][was] about me for ever [sup]5769[/sup]: yet hast thou brought up [sup]5927[/sup] my life [sup]2416[/sup] from corruption [sup]7845[/sup], O LORD[sup]3068[/sup] my God [sup]430[/sup]. Jonah 2:6
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life." How different from this way of faith is the way of law, which says, "If you wish to find life by obeying the law, you must obey all of its commands. Galatians 3:11&12[/font]
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise. For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God's promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise. Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God's promise was made. And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.[/font]
[font="'trebuchet ms"]Now a mediator is needed if two people enter into an agreement, but God acted on his own when he made his promise to Abraham. Well then, is there a conflict between God's law and God's promises? Absolutely not! If the law could have given us new life, we could have been made right with God by obeying it. But the Scriptures have declared that we are all prisoners of sin, so the only way to receive God's promise is to believe in Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:17-22[/font]
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God. But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. Galatians 3:24&25[/font]
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]You are trying to find favor with God by what you do or don't do on certain days or months or seasons or years. I fear for you. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing. Dear brothers and sisters, [fn] I plead with you to live as I do in freedom from these things, for I have become like you Gentiles were--free from the law. Galatians 4:10-12[/font]
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, obligated to the law. We are children of the free woman, acceptable to God because of our faith. Galatians 4:31[/font]
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[font="'trebuchet ms"]So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law. Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you. I'll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses. For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. Galatians 5:1-4
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I went down [sup]3381[/sup] to the bottoms [sup]7095[/sup] of the mountains [sup]2022[/sup]; the earth [sup]776[/sup] with her bars [sup]1280[/sup][was] about me for ever [sup]5769[/sup]: yet hast thou brought up [sup]5927[/sup] my life [sup]2416[/sup] from corruption [sup]7845[/sup], O LORD[sup]3068[/sup] my God [sup]430[/sup]. Jonah 2:6

Here again owlam was mistranslated as for ever. Do you believe that Jonah is still in the belly of the fish?

As far as the need to keep the sabbath goes what do you think of Pauls teachings?
So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself. Colossians 2:16&17
You are trying to find favor with God by what you do or don't do on certain days or months or seasons or years. I fear for you. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing. Dear brothers and sisters, [fn] I plead with you to live as I do in freedom from these things, for I have become like you Gentiles were--free from the law. Galatians 4:10-12

I see all the confusion of not keeping God's sabbath and laws originate from reading Paul letters. Lets read what Paul did in Acts. read Acts 13:

[sup]13[/sup]Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.

[sup]14[/sup]But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

[sup]15[/sup]And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

[sup]42[/sup]And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Notice here the Gentiles besought the words preached to them next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew about the sabbath.


[sup]44[/sup]And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 17:1-2


[sup]1[/sup]Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

[sup]2[/sup]And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Again we read Paul as his manner was, meaning his custom, Paul kept the sabbath.

Acts18:1,4

[sup]1[/sup]After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

[sup]4[/sup]And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Again we read in Corinth reasoning every sabbath with both the Jew and Greeks. We see Paul kept the sabbath with both Jew and Greeks, so unless Paul was a hypocrite, people are interpreting Paul's letters in error.


Acts 24:14

[sup]14[/sup]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul said they called his worship heresy, but he believed all things written in the law and in the prophets.

Jiggyfly, If you read Paul's actions in Acts and read his letters there aren't any contradictions. The problem is man's interpretation of his letters. Paul kept the sabbath, the Gentiles at that time kept the sabbath, and Jesus kept the sabbath and laws. I cannot change your perspective of what the truth is. Only God can do that. Please keep an open mind when reading the scriptures. Let the Bible interpret itself. Find out the origin of Sunday, and you will see who change the true Sabbath. This was done during the 4th century. If you don't want to know, then fine....I will not try to convince you otherwise. I gave you the scriptures, its all up to you now. I will continue to keep God's royal law and keep the testimony of Jesus the savior, I only hope that those reading this thread will come to the knowledge of the truth.






 

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Charlesj, I started a new topic with your post:
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Jiggyfly, If you read Paul's actions in Acts and read his letters there aren't any contradictions. The problem is man's interpretation of his letters. Paul kept the sabbath, the Gentiles at that time kept the sabbath, and Jesus kept the sabbath and laws. I cannot change your perspective of what the truth is. Only God can do that. Please keep an open mind when reading the scriptures. Let the Bible interpret itself. Find out the origin of Sunday, and you will see who change the true Sabbath. This was done during the 4th century. If you don't want to know, then fine....I will not try to convince you otherwise. I gave you the scriptures, its all up to you now. I will continue to keep God's royal law and keep the testimony of Jesus the savior, I only hope that those reading this thread will come to the knowledge of the truth.







Well we definitely disagree and think we will do good to leave it at that I have posted many scriptures which you seem to ignore or say that I am misinterpreting what Paul said but it is plain you are misunderstanding grace and God will have to show you. I will pray for your blindness concerning God's new covenant. God bless.
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I went down [sup]3381[/sup] to the bottoms [sup]7095[/sup] of the mountains [sup]2022[/sup]; the earth [sup]776[/sup] with her bars [sup]1280[/sup][was] about me for ever [sup]5769[/sup]: yet hast thou brought up [sup]5927[/sup] my life [sup]2416[/sup] from corruption [sup]7845[/sup], O LORD[sup]3068[/sup] my God [sup]430[/sup]. Jonah 2:6


Here again owlam was mistranslated as for ever. Do you believe that Jonah is still in the belly of the fish?



First jiggyfly...why are you avoiding my questions?

You asked about the priest and their duties in the temple. I gave you a reply that stated God held them blamless for their work in the Sabbath. To which you had no response.


I asked you the following......

"Was Adam under the law?"

I have not received a reply to that either.



It seems you pick and choose which questions you will answer.


Now let's look at yet ANOTHER verse from God's word you are trying to use to avoid keeping God's sabbath.


Jonah 2
[1] Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

So we know this is the story of Jonah and the great fish that swallowed him.

[5] The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

And we have Jonah giving an account of his ordeal.....

[6] I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Now do you really think the readers REALLY think the bars were about Jonah "FOREVER"? The very next sentence tells us God delivered him; "...yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."

Most reading this understands what the writer was trying to convey.

What Jonah was saying is that he was in the belly of the whale for what seemed, to him, like a very long time......even "...for ever..." he says.

It is not a mistranslation. It conveys exactly what Jonah was feeling at the time.

Now that we cannot use that verse what's next jiggyfly?

You can search the entire bible, but as I said in another reply, to which you have not replied......


Why do you think that because God's laws were not kept perfectly or cannot be kept perfectly, they are not to be tried to be kept at all? Again..nowhere will you ever find that just because God's laws were not kept perfectly, has He EVER said for man NOT TO KEEP THEM or that they were done away with.

What you have done is read the writings of Paul without any teaching.

You have NOT taken the advice of Peter!

Think about it.....the creator and law giver himself told us what is needed for eternal life;


[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now you have ignored what has come from the mouth of the lawgiver AND the judge and have decided to go with what you THINK Paul has said.

But what did Peter warn us about Paul's writings.......?


[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


Peter warns us that in ALL of Pauls writings there are things that are HARD to understand. So much so, that if you get them wrong it could lead to your own destruction.

Now what destruction could Peter be speaking of?

The only one that matters......

THE SECOND DEATH!!!!

So..........

Do you go with JESUS, who tells us that keeping His commandments are needed for eternal life? BTW...this is the same guy that will judge you and either allow you into His kingdom or deny you!!

OR......

Do you go with PAUL and what you THINK he is saying? BTW, Paul cannot put you into ANY kingdom!

As a matter of fact, let's read just how close it will be for even Paul to get into God's kingdom....


"And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"

Now if the righteous will just make it in, shouldn't we do ANYTHING that is needed to better our chances?


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First jiggyfly...why are you avoiding my questions?

You asked about the priest and their duties in the temple. I gave you a reply that stated God held them blamless for their work in the Sabbath. To which you had no response.


I asked you the following......

"Was Adam under the law?"

I have not received a reply to that either.



It seems you pick and choose which questions you will answer.


Now let's look at yet ANOTHER verse from God's word you are trying to use to avoid keeping God's sabbath.


Jonah 2
[1] Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

So we know this is the story of Jonah and the great fish that swallowed him.

[5] The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

And we have Jonah giving an account of his ordeal.....

[6] I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Now do you really think the readers REALLY think the bars were about Jonah "FOREVER"? The very next sentence tells us God delivered him; "...yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."

Most reading this understands what the writer was trying to convey.

What Jonah was saying is that he was in the belly of the whale for what seemed, to him, like a very long time......even "...for ever..." he says.

It is not a mistranslation. It conveys exactly what Jonah was feeling at the time.

Now that we cannot use that verse what's next jiggyfly?

You can search the entire bible, but as I said in another reply, to which you have not replied......


Why do you think that because God's laws were not kept perfectly or cannot be kept perfectly, they are not to be tried to be kept at all? Again..nowhere will you ever find that just because God's laws were not kept perfectly, has He EVER said for man NOT TO KEEP THEM or that they were done away with.

What you have done is read the writings of Paul without any teaching.

You have NOT taken the advice of Peter!

Think about it.....the creator and law giver himself told us what is needed for eternal life;


[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now you have ignored what has come from the mouth of the lawgiver AND the judge and have decided to go with what you THINK Paul has said.

But what did Peter warn us about Paul's writings.......?


[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


Peter warns us that in ALL of Pauls writings there are things that are HARD to understand. So much so, that if you get them wrong it could lead to your own destruction.

Now what destruction could Peter be speaking of?

The only one that matters......

THE SECOND DEATH!!!!

So..........

Do you go with JESUS, who tells us that keeping His commandments are needed for eternal life? BTW...this is the same guy that will judge you and either allow you into His kingdom or deny you!!

OR......

Do you go with PAUL and what you THINK he is saying? BTW, Paul cannot put you into ANY kingdom!

As a matter of fact, let's read just how close it will be for even Paul to get into God's kingdom....


"And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"

Now if the righteous will just make it in, shouldn't we do ANYTHING that is needed to better our chances?


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You should really do the word study on owlam then you will have a better understanding instead of adding to errant the translation of the KJV.
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You should really do the word study on owlam then you will have a better understanding instead of adding to errant translation of the KJV.
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Why would or should I.

You say the word is "forever" but it does not mean "forever" as you think it should.

We know from the scriptures that it does not mean "forever", as in an eternity as well, for the very next sentence tells us so, "...yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."

The writer was giving us a sense of what his ordeal was. We are reading this based on context.

When a person, 1000 yrs from now reads that someone said, "Give me a second to do this....." do you really think the reader will take it as it only took "1 sec.", or will they look at the context and say, "This person was just saying they would not be long to get with them."

Jonah was letting us the reader know that what he was going through seemed to last, "...FOREVER..."

Come on.....this is just plain common sense.

But when the Lord said His Sabbath was to be forever, He was NOT trying to give us a sense of anything.....He was telling us just how long we would be observing this law....for an ETERNITY!!!!!!


OK.....let's forget about "...owlam..." for awhile and move on to one of my other questions.....


"Was Adam under the law, thus the curse of the law?"


Simple question!




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