Is It God That Created The Devil?

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Is it God that created the devil? Did He create him to tempt humans?


Ro 11:33 . O depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!

Ro 11:36 because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are the all things; to Him is the glory-to the ages. Amen.

Jb 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

AV Ro 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.

AV 1C 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

AV 2C 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

That there is a separate and uncontrolled power in the universe working outside of God's plan is unimaginable. What is to prevent things from going back to chaos if there is something as powerful as God? How are we to trust a god who is not in control? God uses contrasts to show forth His glory. The ugliness of the cross is the epitome of love, now that's a contrast in totality.

All things are out of God. His Son is the creator of all things. It is all for His glory. They are His possession. He has control over what He has created.

The Scriptures are clear about Who created the Adversary. His opposition to God was planned from the beginning and provides the means needed to reveal God's goodness. He will not remain in opposition, for the word of God declares it so:

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

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Free will created the devil. od made men and angels with free will. Lucifer was the top angel but he was arrogant and headstrong. God commanded that he pay home age to Adam and he refused and got a 3rd of the angels on his side. They made war on God and St Michael threw them down to earth. Lucifer the lightbearer became Satan the adversary. he had been cast to earth and decided that sicne he was brought down low he would do the same to Adam so he ctempted Eve which led to the fall of man.

Lucifer had been a highly favoured archangel and asa result was very conceitred. Having been brought down he cannot strike against God so he strikes against man because man is an easier target. Though the devil is no longer an archangel he still has the ability to appear before the throne of God, which we see in the book of Job.

So, no the answer is God did not create a horned, cloven hoofed, goat legged, red skinned horror, he simply gave free will to his most senior Archangel.. BTW all that goat leg stuff is just imagery; the devil probably looks nothing like that.
 
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... he simply gave free will to his most senior Archangel.. BTW all that goat leg stuff is just imagery; the devil probably looks nothing like that.
Excellent.

About what the devil looks like -it has been said many times before - he looks like Chocolate Cake.
And most women here know that.
 
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Free will created the devil. od made men and angels with free will. Lucifer was the top angel but he was arrogant and headstrong. God commanded that he pay home age to Adam and he refused and got a 3rd of the angels on his side. They made war on God and St Michael threw them down to earth. Lucifer the lightbearer became Satan the adversary. he had been cast to earth and decided that sicne he was brought down low he would do the same to Adam so he ctempted Eve which led to the fall of man.

Lucifer had been a highly favoured archangel and asa result was very conceitred. Having been brought down he cannot strike against God so he strikes against man because man is an easier target. Though the devil is no longer an archangel he still has the ability to appear before the throne of God, which we see in the book of Job.

So, no the answer is God did not create a horned, cloven hoofed, goat legged, red skinned horror, he simply gave free will to his most senior Archangel.. BTW all that goat leg stuff is just imagery; the devil probably looks nothing like that.
The Hebrew word "eill" means howl or howling, not Lucifer.

Zch 11:2 Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down.

Young's translation of the Hebrew is faithful enough to avoid this serious error and supplies "O shining one", which is still an insertion not found in the oldest Writings.

Isa 14:12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations. (YLT)

The name "Lucifer" does not exist in any of the oldest Manuscripts.Lucifer is an addition to the Holy Writings by men to support a theological fable. He was never an archangel. That is not revealed anywhere in Scripture, it is conjecture. Jesus said the opposite:

Jn 8:44 'Ye are of a father-the devil, and the desires of your father ye will to do; he was a man-slayer from the beginning, and in the truth he hath not stood (literally,does- not- stand), because there is no truth in him; when one may speak the falsehood, of his own he speaketh, because he is a liar-also his father.

Jesus said the Satan was created this way, there is no mention of the myth of freewill.

John the Apostle confirms this truth:

1Jn 3:8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

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Excellent.

About what the devil looks like -it has been said many times before - he looks like Chocolate Cake.
And most women here know that.

I know that though it is not in the Book, there are enough witnesses to this truth about chocolate,mmmmm, that no one would object Miss H. I only wish it were so. Such a fun warfare we could be engaged in, just eating up the enemy. What a hoot. Thanks.

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All things come from God except evil. God gave his Angels and humans free will and free will created evil. God made Lucifer or Samael or whatever you want to call him (he has plenty of names) proud and headstrong. Lucifer did not have to rebel against God, he could have supressed his jealousy of Adam but he was too proud.. Pride comes before a fall. Basically he had a choice and he chose to rebel agaisnt God in the attempt to try and take over.

Basically I believe in free will and relegate pre-destination to the sidelines. I don't rule it out because God always has a plan for everyone and everything but I don't think that here and now things are so set in stone.
 

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All things come from God except evil. God gave his Angels and humans free will and free will created evil. God made Lucifer or Samael or whatever you want to call him (he has plenty of names) proud and headstrong. Lucifer did not have to rebel against God, he could have supressed his jealousy of Adam but he was too proud.. Pride comes before a fall. Basically he had a choice and he chose to rebel agaisnt God in the attempt to try and take over.

Basically I believe in free will and relegate pre-destination to the sidelines. I don't rule it out because God always has a plan for everyone and everything but I don't think that here and now things are so set in stone.

Actually God also created evil you can read that in Isaiah 45:7 where He says He does.

Evil only becomes sin when it is acted upon.

This gets back to the argument we have been debating for quite a while of having a choice. If there was no evil we would not have a choice. Therefore God created evil so that there was a choice as to whether to serve Him or not.

With out freewill there is no perfect love. The devil had a free will and chose to exalt himself.

God has a plan for all of us and it is his desire that we all love HIm unfortunately we have free will and make choices many times very bad ones.

There can be no perfect love without free will. If we could not choose then we would be like robots not being able to choose whether we wanted to serve God or not.