I have a confession to make

Nancy · Jan 9, 2021

2nd Timothy Group said:
That's a great question! What have you found that might indicate that one version is in opposition to the other? Again . . . this is a fantastic question!

I hear you there 2ndTim! I do so love these questions as it makes us all dig into the scriptures. I love what C.S. Lewis had to say about this:

C.S. Lewis Quote on Jesus as Liar, Lunatic, or Lord from Mere Christianity

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [that is, Christ]: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse…. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

–C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity

2nd Timothy Group · Jan 9, 2021

Nancy said:
I hear you there 2ndTim! I do so love these questions as it makes us all dig into the scriptures. I love what C.S. Lewis had to say about this:

C.S. Lewis Quote on Jesus as Liar, Lunatic, or Lord from Mere Christianity

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [that is, Christ]: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse…. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

–C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity

Nice work, Nancy!

Stuart · Jan 9, 2021

2nd Timothy Group said:
That's a great question! What have you found that might indicate that one version is in opposition to the other? Again . . . this is a fantastic question!

They all say very similar things but in different ways. it makes me question it's validity.

Nancy · Jan 9, 2021

Stuart said:
They all say very similar things but in different ways. it makes me question it's validity.

Hi Stuart, do you mean the four Gospels say different things?

DNB · Jan 9, 2021

Stuart said:
is it? I know i shouldn't question, maybe my faith is not as strong as i thought.

No, you must question everything, idle faith is worthless and even detrimental.
You have to try and understand why the resurrections occurred, what it signifies and what it precipitates, thus, the miracle aspect will not be an obstacle. I assume that it is not a lack of faith in the supernatural that is causing this impediment in your belief, but rather understanding how this event finds its definition in the Gospel of Christ?

2nd Timothy Group · Jan 9, 2021

Stuart said:
They all say very similar things but in different ways. it makes me question it's validity.

I hear you and totally get what you're saying. I believe that it is important that as humans transcribe the original text, it is us who mess things up. The original text is what is Holy and Inspired; not necessarily the Bible that you hold in your hands.

Also, it is important to realize that there is a Plan that is outlined in the Bible. If we come to know, understand, and begin to track that Plan within the Bible, we will recognize that we ought not concern ourselves with the minutia . . . details about things that are irrelevant. For example, we cannot believe that there is "Freedom in Christ" if women must remain silent in Church. Gosh, I could point out all kinds of issues with the teachings found within this book, but those are mere human issues, and not issues that are Spiritual.

I hope this helps!

2nd Timothy Group · Jan 9, 2021

DNB said:
No, you must question everything, idle faith is worthless and even detrimental.

That is about the best advice I've ever heard . . . here. Nice work sister!

Oh, sorry. I thought this was from @Nancy. lol

DNB · Jan 9, 2021

Stuart said:
there are 4 known interpretations of Jesus resurrection, which one is true? all of them?

Yes, a combination of them all that give multiple perspectives, and thus, a comprehensive view. Keep in mind, each account is not obligated to give full details, in other words, the authors intent dictated what he decided to include. Meaning that ultimately, as you see, they all conclude the same thing - they all corroborate with each other in proclaiming the full Gospel message. Therefore, the lack of unanimity with the details, is not a sign of contradiction nor contention.

DNB · Jan 9, 2021

2nd Timothy Group said:
That is about the best advice I've ever heard . . . here. Nice work sister!

You call me a girl again and you'll be in big trouble!

2nd Timothy Group · Jan 9, 2021

DNB said:
You call me a girl again and you'll be in big trouble!

LOL - I made my edit/correction. haha So sorry!

DNB · Jan 9, 2021

Stuart said:
jesus died for our sins, when he died he took our sins with him
I take communion and we remember Jesus for his life and for going to the cross for us.

Hi Stuart, your above two quotes seems to me, to be the issue at hand - you have found a way to reconcile a Christian's salvation without his resurrection.
It's good that you have attempted to understand the Gospel and the Atonement, and thus are able to justify your faith. But, of course, sincerity and study is no guarantee for truth, and thus, don't be surprised if your expected outcome of receiving God's grace, does not transpire as intended.

Again, strongly consider what others have said about the reason behind the resurrection, and how it fits into God's plan of salvation. If you can competently contend their position, then you can only be convicted of what you understand. But, if they make sense, and their explanation glorifies God and Christ, and can justify that there is no hope for man if Christ was not both raised from the dead and ascended into heaven, it would be hard to refute on your part, and would challenge and undermine your current view of the Atonement and faith of a Christian.

DNB · Jan 9, 2021

2nd Timothy Group said:
LOL - I made my edit/correction. haha So sorry!

No worries, it was unintentionally rather humorous!

quietthinker · Jan 9, 2021

DNB said:
You call me a girl again and you'll be in big trouble!

LOL...

Pearl · Jan 10, 2021

Nancy said:
I hear you there 2ndTim! I do so love these questions as it makes us all dig into the scriptures. I love what C.S. Lewis had to say about this:

C.S. Lewis Quote on Jesus as Liar, Lunatic, or Lord from Mere Christianity

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [that is, Christ]: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse…. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

–C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity

I had forgotten that quote Nancy. Well said.

Pearl · Jan 10, 2021

The question about the four accounts was once explained to me in this way:

It's like four different newspapers giving their separate accounts of the same event. And even though each one may report it in a slightly different way and from different perspectives doesn't take away from the truth of what happened.

farouk · Jan 10, 2021

Pearl said:
The question about the four accounts was once explained to me in this way:

It's like four different newspapers giving their separate accounts of the same event. And even though each one may report it in a slightly different way and from different perspectives doesn't take away from the truth of what happened.

@Pearl I had a copy of Gospel harmonies: the various passages from the Gospels collated, to show where they do and do not occur.

Brakelite · Jan 10, 2021

Stuart said:
I confess that i am not totally convinced that Jesus was resurrected, i would like to believe that but i seem to not have a strong enough faith as to believe that it could happen, i question its validity but i realise that he was a great man and i still believe he was the son of God, I believe most of the Word but the Resurrection is hard to digest for me.

Then you need to meet Him.

charity · Jan 10, 2021

Nancy said:
Hi Chris, have you been getting your inboxes? I did respond to your last message...
xx

Hi Nancy,

Yes, thank you. I have responded this morning.

Love in Christ Jesus
Chris

charity · Jan 10, 2021

Stuart said:
there are 4 known interpretations of Jesus resurrection, which one is true? all of them?

'These things have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in My Name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.'
(John 14:25)

Hi @Stuart

I tend to accept what is written in God's word without question, and if it is written that He was raised from the grave, and ascended into heaven, then I believe it.

The four gospel accounts are written with different objectives in view, not known to the writers themselves, but only to the One Who inspired them to write them. The Holy Spirit bringing to the minds of the writer those things that he would have them write. I like to look at all four, and compare the differences, for they each have something to add which the other lacks. That is for a purpose, and we must not doubt that God intended it so. For us, these differences are intended to make us pause and consider and learn by them. He wants us to have the joy of discovery. We are His children and joy is what He wants for us. His word therefore is a living word, full of delight and inspiration, revealing more and more of Himself.

Praise God!

Just enjoy it, Stuart.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Stuart · Jan 10, 2021

DNB said:
Hi Stuart, your above two quotes seems to me, to be the issue at hand - you have found a way to reconcile a Christian's salvation without his resurrection.

I have always believed Jesus died and came back from the dead but not on the cross, i believe his holy spirit is alive and well and doing its work in our hearts, a forever presence, Omnipotent.

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