Peaceful Protests in Washington...

Well.... a new day begins... and I would like to leave one last comment on this thread... I feel like I am about to write a speech. LOL

@amadeus Thank you for sticking up for me... and @Grailhunter Thank you for taking the time to teach me. Grateful to both of you.

I cannot believe that this entire "mess" started out with me watching a video and commenting on that video...

My point was this.... NO one... at this time ... could possibly have ACCURATE information as to who broke into Capital Hill on January 6th. I am NOT the one who carelessly and prematurely supplied names for all to see... and that is what I have an issue with.

FAKE news is birthed from people providing FALSE INFORMATION... and others repeating it... and worse... believing it. I do NOT know who committed these crimes... but NEITHER does anyone else at this time.

I made the point that there was NO EVIDENCE to support that BLM or ANTIFA agitators were responsible for the break in on Capital Hill... and that comment was taken from the Newmax article @mailmandan posted on this thread. I have supplied the two sentences I posted from this article.

Newsmax has reported that we have no evidence that BLM or antifa actively worked to agitate at the pro-Trump rally in Washington.

But we have loads of evidence the media have a big double-standard when reporting on protests and riots that turn ugly, violent, and sometimes deadly.

As far as my comment about "feeling" that Mr. Trump incited violence at his rally... For goodness sakes... the last time I checked... this was still a free world... @CadyandZoe I am sorry that my comment made you angry... but I will not apologize for how I think. I will however refrain from any more public comments regarding the situation.

So then... tha tha tha that's all folks!

justbyfaith said:

The following contains evidence that Antifa was responsible, if you are willing to look at it (I don't think you have looked at it yet or you would not have made the above comment).

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I really do not desire to engage in a debate over the comments I made... nor do I claim to KNOW who broke into Capital Hill on January 6th. I am allowing the AUTHORITIES to do their work... Once the arrests are made... there will be a clearer picture... and the media will be informed as to WHO these people were affiliated with.

I don't know why people have such a problem with those who STAND behind their comments... it's laughable...

I do NOT believe there is enough evidence to KNOW who was responsible for the break in on Capital Hill... at this time...
I do NOT know who these people were.... but neither does anyone else on these forums at this time.

I did watch that video on another thread... I don't have a clue who this man is... but neither has he made an authorized statement... so sorry... I don't count that as PROOF. I will repeat I do not have an agenda to prove... I am not trying to deny TRUTH... I am simply saying... IT's too early for anyone to know the answers.

Anyways... I truly am finished defending my words. Everyone has the right to believe what they want... IF Antifa is responsible... then may they be charged to the fullest extent of the law... If Trump supporters are responsible... may they be charged to the fullest extent of the law... If yellow and blue aliens are responsible... may they be charged to the fullest extent of the law. LOL

justbyfaith said:

So, I would suggest to you that you keep an eye on Fox News...

As they are the only media outsource that will give you the real scoop.

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HA at promoting new sources... Here in Canada we have our nightly news... It's called the National. I watch it in the morning
on my Chrome Book to keep up with the governmental protocols regarding covid 19.

Sadly... I made the mistake of commenting on this thread about FAKE news... and well... honestly... I do not have the patience for those who seem to like to pick apart every single thing someone says.... WE all have different takes on things. People need to learn to live and let live.

Have a wonderful day.

Adoration said:

WE all have different takes on things. People need to learn to live and let live.

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@Adoration Indeed so...

justbyfaith said:

So, how is it that you didn't pick apart what I said?

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What I did was highlight what I was responding to.... I did not challenge you on your beliefs. I don't care what you believe to be true... I still stand by what I quoted.
That is the difference... Picking apart means challenging someone on their position. I allow others to have their opinions... Does not bother me in the least.

I answered this out of respect. Again... I am not willing to defend what I believe. Bless you.

amadeus said:

Some believers [call them Christians] are really interested in the Truth which Jesus is. But must their 'truth' include spending as as much time [more?] in studying the politics of today as we do in studying the Bible, worshipping God and prayer?

How a person study politics today, where most all of the active participants seem to be sometimes untruthful? How a person be certain that his conclusions are always be correct and true? I certainly do not know! If you do that may be fine for you...! But... should you be condemning someone who is unwilling or even unable to follow your lead in politics?

It appears to me that the lady expressed her opinion which, for many, may be an unpopular one. As to whether or not the President incited violence by his words is questionable and certainly subject to interpretation as I see it. I also heard what he said. What does it require to incite someone to violence?
I have not stated my own opinion.

@Adoration admitted her lack of knowledge but as she said she certainly had right to state an opinion on what the President said. You inserted the word, sinful, in your opinion of her opinion, which appears to me as an unwarranted accusation on your part unless you knew what was in her heart. That does not relate only to politics but to where she is in the Lord... as if you were an expert on that for anyone at all. I certainly am not!

Why should your first hand [is it?] and supposed correct [is it?] information be seen as more than just one more biased statement by someone who does not know you well? We are all liars, are we not? I admit that at times I am but God is still working on me.

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Amadeus,
I have much respect for you but I fear that You have not given due consideration to her statements. I have no problem with her opinions. My problem is with her accusations, which she is unable or unwilling to defend. She accused the President of the United States with inciting violence, and though she claimed to have watched his speech, she quotes nothing the man said that would lead anyone to violence. Her baseless accusations are sinful behavior and she should repent.

CadyandZoe said:

Amadeus,
I have much respect for you but I fear that You have not given due consideration to her statements. I have no problem with her opinions. My problem is with her accusations, which she is unable or unwilling to defend. She accused the President of the United States with inciting violence, and though she claimed to have watched his speech, she quotes nothing the man said that would lead anyone to violence. Her baseless accusations are sinful behavior and she should repent.

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Although this was not directed to me... It was about me... therefore I will make a comment.

I apologized to you directly for causing you anger.

I do not care what you believe about anything... It is not my place to tell you what to feel or believe... nor is it your right to demand that I repent because of something I feel or believe... I told you I watched the speech... and I based my opinion on that speech. I believe that the president fanned the flames of an already burning fire... and did NOTHING to extinguish the HIGH level of anger.... thus inciting the violence on Capital Hill.
The fact that this would anger you is bizarre to me as it is one little opinion.

I did not accuse the president of ANYTHING... I simply said... I FEEL/it is my opinion... that he incited the violence that happened several hours after his speech.

The main point I was trying to make is that no one knows at this time WHO is responsible for the break in on Capital Hill... and that anyone who is throwing out names is contributing to FAKE news. You seem to have chosen to ignore that all together.

Again... I do apologize that my contribution to this thread has made you angry... however... I refuse to REPENT over having a belief... LOL

You and I need to be finished here... as there is nothing left to discuss.... I hope this puts an end to this feud.

Adoration said:

This is going to be my last conversation with you.... I watched the speech and it is my opinion that the president did indeed incite violence. There is no defence of an opinion... it is merely a thought... LOL I did not comment on WHO broke into Capital Hill.... YOU did that.... I am simply stating that it does NOT appear to be Antifa.... So please... let's agree to disagree. Bless you.

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So now you say it appears not to be Antifa?

Okay, let's back up and take this opportunity to remind ourselves of what the Lord said to us concerning appearances. What did Jesus teach us about appearances? This is a serious question and if you don't know then it would be worth your time to study his teaching on this subject. Forgive me for my being forward, but allow me to bring his teaching to our remembrance.

Matthew 7:15-17
15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

sheep's clothing
Jesus warned us about ravenous wolves that would bear sheep's clothing. Jesus is talking about infiltration, a strategy employed by the enemy, seeking to destroy the flock from within rather than attack the flock from without. And how can the sheep recognize the wolf in sheep's clothing? The wolf's behavior. The wolf doesn't act like a sheep.

thorn bushes
Grapes do not come from thorn bushes Jesus says. Here the Lord has changed his standpoint. He is asking the question, given this grape here, what can I conclude about its origin? Surely this grape did not come from a bush having thorns did it? His argument is quite elementary. Imagine an elementary school teacher, holding up a grape. She asks the class, did this grape come from that thorny bush? The class responds in unison, noooooo. Based on the results such as destruction, mayhem, fear, and doubt, what can we conclude about it's origin?

appearance vs behavior
Our Lord teaches us to judge by behavior, not by appearances. The sheep behave one way, while the wolves behave another way and we can tell the difference between sheep and wolves by the product of their actions.

Isaiah predicted this about Jesus. He will not judge by appearances.

Isaiah 11:3
And He will delight in the fear of the Lord, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;

Jesus does NOT judge by appearances. He looks beyond the surface.

Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.

I could multiply verses. Let's follow our Lord and his example.

@CadyandZoe Please refer to post #72. I am really trying to be respectful here... and I do not enjoy walking away from conversations however...you are twisting everything I say and CLEARLY want to cause strife. I am NOT your enemy... I made several comments that do not line up with what you FEEL and BELIEVE. This is not a crime... LOL

I am not going to argue with you... I have said at least 5 times.... I do NOT know who broke into Capital Hill. There is NO evidence yet to prove who it was... so blaming Antifa at this time is premature and careless.

God bless you CadyandZoe... but I do not desire to communicate with you any further.

Adoration said:

Although this was not directed to me... It was about me... therefore I will make a comment.

I apologized to you directly for causing you anger.

I do not care what you believe about anything... It is not my place to tell you what to feel or believe... nor is it your right to demand that I repent because of something I feel or believe... I told you I watched the speech... and I based my opinion on that speech. I believe that the president fanned the flames of an already burning fire... and did NOTHING to extinguish the HIGH level of anger.... thus inciting the violence on Capital Hill.
The fact that this would anger you is bizarre to me as it is one little opinion.

I did not accuse the president of ANYTHING... I simply said... I FEEL/it is my opinion... that he incited the violence that happened several hours after his speech.

The main point I was trying to make is that no one knows at this time WHO is responsible for the break in on Capital Hill... and that anyone who is throwing out names is contributing to FAKE news. You seem to have chosen to ignore that all together.

Again... I do apologize that my contribution to this thread has made you angry... however... I refuse to REPENT over having a belief... LOL

You and I need to be finished here... as there is nothing left to discuss.... I hope this puts an end to this feud.

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Every Christian should be concerned about the beliefs of other Christians. James 5:19-20. As far as I know, you are a fellow believer and so I care about what you believe and think. Love demands that I help you see the truth.

For instance, I wonder if you know the difference between "feeling" and "opinion"? When I go outside at night, I might get a feeling that something dangerous lays wait in the dark. I might feel a malice growing in the shadows. But the darkness obscures any evidence one way or the other. If you want to say that you "feel" the president incited violence, then say that. Nothing wrong with gut feelings. These things are gifts from God, granted to us for our protection. This is regarding our safety; with regard to our knowledge, sometimes the truth requires us to control our fears so that we might form true opinions.

While opinions are not necessarily based on facts or knowledge, true opinions are based on good judgment. Any time someone expresses their opinion, the hearers/readers grant the author the benefit of the doubt with regard to the veracity of the statement. When you gave us your opinion, we afforded you the same sympathetic hearing that we expect from you also. That is, since I believe my opinions are true, being based on good judgment I afford you the same curtesy. We don't express opinions that we think are wrong.

That having been said, we must remember one other thing about the nature of discussion boards. When I express my opinion on a message board, I am not saying "This is true so you must believe me!" I am tacitly asking the question, "Isn't this true?" I expect to be corrected, if my opinions are in error because I expect that those who post on a Christian message board love each other enough to care what other people believe.

Blessings to you.

CadyandZoe said:

Every Christian should be concerned about the beliefs of other Christians. James 5:19-20. As far as I know, you are a fellow believer and so I care about what you believe and think. Love demands that I help you see the truth.

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I am actually surprised with this response... and I appreciate that you gave an explanation of your thoughts. As I said... I do not like walking away from conversations.

When I speak... I speak for myself... and I take accountability for what I say.... I am not responsible for what others think... feel and/or believe therefore I do not agree that it is my place to "help others" see anything... I find that statement very arrogant actually... because it suggests that one is wiser than the other.

This has become an argument of semantics. What I believe... what I feel... my opinions... they are all based on my own experiences... they are neither right or wrong... they simply are. We all have them... and they should be respected by others... Sadly... I am seeing that this is not a courtesy given by some.

I once again BLESS you @CadyandZoe. I truly have spent way more time than I have wanted on this thread. It is time to move on... so if there are any more comments to me after this.... I am sorry... but I have explained myself as much as I desire to.

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@CadyandZoe Please refer to post #72. I am really trying to be respectful here... and I do not enjoy walking away from conversations however...you are twisting everything I say and CLEARLY want to cause strife. I am NOT your enemy... I made several comments that do not line up with what you FEEL and BELIEVE. This is not a crime... LOL

I am not going to argue with you... I have said at least 5 times.... I do NOT know who broke into Capital Hill. There is NO evidence yet to prove who it was... so blaming Antifa at this time is premature and careless.

God bless you CadyandZoe... but I do not desire to communicate with you any further.

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Go with this, then. Remember, anger is a good thing, which is why Paul wrote "Do not let the sun go down on your anger." What is happening among my fellow countrymen makes me angry; what is happening to the minds and hearts of people world wide and especially Christians, makes me angry. I wouldn't have a heart for God if I didn't feel angry in the face of delusion, corruption, bribery, injustice, lies, deceit, and purposeful deception. It isn't the lies themselves that cause my ire, though I inherited my father's hatred of lies, I mourn and get angry over the increase in folks willing to believe them. Paul warned us about this time. 2Thessalonians 2:10-12.

Paul commands me to be angry, but not sin. For me to be angry without sin is to divert my angry energy in a positive direction. Zoe wants me to leave the boards, and give in to the reality that people no longer listen. Perhaps I will do this, but for now, I have chosen to use my time to preach the truth as I know it, hoping that ears are still open.

God bless you Adoration
(good name by the way. I like it)

justbyfaith said:

...by comparison to what the liberal news media called peaceful protests when the BLM thing was happening.

I can still remember how they proclaimed so perfectly that the BLM riots were "peaceful protests" while the cameras showed fires raging in the background.

At least there were not fires started in this situation at Congress, as took place with the BLM advocates.

I don't think that the protestors intended any violence against our senators and congressmen last night...but I don't blame the latter for not taking any chances and sending in the police to do what needed to be done.

It might have been a lot worse.

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Let me say up front, we are all sinners and a Republican rally is not void of evil. For the most part, during and prior to Trumps speech we saw probably over 100k peaceful people, chanting "USA and we love Trump" ... love for Trump.
They did anticipate that Antifa would infiltrate this group, disguised as Trump supporters. They have eye witnesses and a video of busloads of Antifa being escorted by police to the Capital rally.
They have identified certain members of Antifa inside the Building. This was a set up. There were attacks against police (typical of their actions). One incident of a man throwing some sort of fire bomb at the police as a Trump supporter looked back at him and thought, "What's going on ... this is wrong!
They are not happy with only stealing the election, they want to crucify Trump and anyone who supported him. It is evil at its core.
That said, good people go to war to fight for justice - if justice is not served.
But we can't fight this war that way, it is a spiritual war. We need to just put on our armor. Jesus will fight this war.

Ronald David Bruno said:

Let me say up front, we are all sinners and a Republican rally is not void of evil. For the most part, during and prior to Trumps speech we saw probably over 100k peaceful people, chanting USA and we live Trump ... live for Trump.
The did anticipate that Antifa would infiltrate this group, disguised as Trump supporters. The have eye witnesses and a video of busloads of Antifa being escorted by police to the Capital rally.
They have identified certain members if Antifa inside the Building. This was a set up. There were attacks against police (typical of their actions). One incident of a man throwing some sort of fire bomb at the police as a Trump supporter looked back at him and thought, "Whats going on ... this is wrong!
They are not happy with only stealing the election, they want to crucify Trump and anyone who supported him. It is evil at its core.
That said, good people go to war to fight for justice - if justice is not served.
But We can't fight this war that way, it is a spiritual war. We need to just put on our armor. Jesus will fight this war.

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Now THIS is the kind of STATEMENT that initiates healthy and spiritual conversation that seeks to find TRUTH.... Where the heck were you yesterday?? LOL ... This is the kind of comment we should be making and talking about rather than smashing each other for simply stating how they feel. Brilliant post... Just had to say that...but I am unable to comment because I wasted my time defending my opinion. LOL