A Look Into The Future

Eccl.12:13 said:

And since ALL have sinned, ALL have broken God's laws!

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I think we need a savior .

Speaking of the savior , what were his views on the Sabbath ?

Strangelove said:

So>>>>whats your point?

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No I saw your questions I just wanted to confirm that this is another thread where you try and convince us to keep the 10 commandments same like the jews.

If thats the case then I'm not getting involved cos I'm never gonna keep old skool isrealite law and theres nothing you can say to change that. I just wanted to know if theres anything else you want to bring to the table. Are there any other laws of the Jews you want us to observe other than the 10 commandments?

Doc

Eccl.12:13 said:

This is for the 'someome' that may! This is to encourage them to continue in keeping God's laws, commandmants and statues!

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You want us to keep his statues>>???

Wouldn't that fall under idol worship?

Eccl.12:13 said:

And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statues and my judgments;


God's words.....not mine!

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LOLZ!!

Um......you bear false witness to God. Either by error or intention.

The edit button is near the bottom right>>>:::::

Lol......(**Sigh**)

Christians are no longer under the law but under grace, and we fulfill the law by remaining in Christ.

Eccl.12:13 said:

I am using an online bible, http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/. 2 Chr.7:17 has the word wrong. After rechecking my KJV the correct spelling is "statutes". Should have caught that, but I'm human.
Thank you the correction.
I never mean to intentionlly misquote scripture.

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That is not the only issue that needs a solution. Your zeal is very good, and the desire to please God by making a stand for truth is admirable. Not many will risk repudiation of their opinions publicly. It could be considered faith-based intiative. (little joke). It is interesting that you observe yourself as a lesson-giver. That is quite an appointment, and another thing few people would dare to put forth publicly. I hold you in good standing for your earnestness, but there are some issues that need solving, and should you open yourself up to God and the brethren, liberty could be made accessible to you. But, preference always dictates choice, and history always dictates preference, outside of God's mercy and grace.
fivesense

Martin W. said:

Eccl.12:13

One more quick question and comment.

If I was to set aside Jesus Christ , and just focus and obey all the commands and statutes of the bible, would I have eternal life with the Creator ?

If so , why did Jesus come?. Couldn't God have just sent a new prophet re-proclaiming the old laws? Wouldn't someone owe Jesus an explaination for his sacrifice?

Maybe we could just face Mecca and pray 5 times a day and not eat pork.

Personally , I will stick with Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior and allow him to forgive all the statutes I have broken . Once I am in his presence I expect him to be pleased with my performance. He said he will make me like new and without blemish. That is the whole purpose isn't it ? The rest is just rules we cannot keep while in the flesh.

Best regards
Martin

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Martin, I would like to express what the Lord had Moses write. Deut. 4:13 [sup]13[/sup]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. His covenant is his ten commandments.
Jer. 31:31-33
[sup]31[/sup]Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

[sup]32[/sup]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

[sup]33[/sup]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Before God wrote the first covenant on stone. Notice the same laws are given.

Same thing here in Heb 8: 7-10

[sup]7[/sup]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

[sup]8[/sup]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

[sup]9[/sup]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

[sup]10[/sup]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So God found fault with the people not the covenant. He said he will write them in their heart and put it in their mind.

Jesus did this same thing in Matthew 5:20-22

[sup]20[/sup]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[sup]21[/sup]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

[sup]22[/sup]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

[sup]27[/sup]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

[sup]28[/sup]But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Notice Jesus quoting the same law as the first covenant, He just made it so now its in your mind and heart.

These scriptures is for the believers who think that Israel and the stranger are separated from keeping these laws.

Isaiah 56:2-8

[sup]2[/sup]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

[sup]3[/sup]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

[sup]4[/sup]For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

[sup]5[/sup]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

[sup]6[/sup]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

[sup]7[/sup]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

[sup]8[/sup]The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.


Exodus 12:49
[sup]49[/sup]One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16
[sup]16[/sup]One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

All the laws were given to both the Israelite and the stranger. Finally I'll leave you with this thought!!!

Isaiah 28:20
[sup]20[/sup]To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

To the law of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ : if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Eccl.12:13 said:

The questions I asked in the lesson is what I want the readers to consider. Here they are again for those that may have missed them;

Do you think the "sabbath" spoken of above will be on the 7th day of the week or will God now say, "Go ahead and serve me on whatever day you like."?

Do you think it will be ok for those here during Christ 1000yr rule to buy, sell, and conduct business on God's sabbath day?

Do you think it will be ok to bake, cook or boil foods on God's sabbath day during His 1000yr rule?


If the sabbath was to be kept up until Christ died AND it WILL be kept during His 1000yr rule here on earth.....why would He suspend keeping it for now?

Remember the man that was stoned for gathering sticks on God's sabbath?

Will God deny that man entry into His kingdom, but allow those of you that choose NOT to keep God's sabbath the way He instructed entry into His kingdom?

Is that a fair God?



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Great post Eccl.12:13! Beautiful!
God never changes His commands and believing God gave those commands for our good, our blessing to prosper and help our neighbor prosper in His grace. Further we have "Fullness of Christ" at our disposal to help us obey all He commands. Jesus said He would never leave us nor forsake us and He has sent the power of the Holy Spirit to help us in all our times of need. To say we can't, no we cannot. To say we can with the power of Christ, yes, yes, with the greatest assurance in our Savior, who has all power and authority in heaven, on earth and under earth. Thank you Lord for having all under control according to your will.

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
John 5:27
And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
Jesus came to us this first time to seek and save us from judgement and condemnation that had already been pronunced over all of mankind, and by His death on the cross and the power of His resurrection, He accomplished this for us while we were sinners.

So for all this time, over 2000 years Christ is seeking and saving those who are lost.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."
John 3: life. [sup]17[/sup]For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [sup]18[/sup]Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. [sup]19[/sup]This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. [sup]20[/sup]Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. [sup]21[/sup]But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
So every commandment God has given to the believer, can be done in the believer by God.
Romans 8:1 [ Life Through the Spirit ] Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [ Some later manuscripts Jesus, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit,]
Is God fair and just, yes for He has not left us in the dark and has told us over and over again and again even beforehand. His commands are a gift to us and they are not burdensome. Each command He gives holds blessings beyond what we can imagine. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, do good and take rest in Him. Not the day I say is the Sabbath, the day the Lord says is the Sabbath. In all things Christ, Yes, Amen.

Thank you Lord for all your Word, Jesus.
God Bless,
Mercy