What Will The TRIBULATION Look Like?

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teamventure

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But you said it is His word, is it or not?? There certainly is no life and the devils words, nor Peter when he denied Christ. And since you said the bible is His word than teh words satan speaks must be His as well

That is straight blasphemy.
 

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Christ is not shaky ground the bible well, just go read all the bible quotes whos right, only Christ As for living word..

Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

and so men ignore Him, as if the bible is greater than even God Himself. What would men do without the bible, like trying to remove a childs safety blanket... but dad its scary out there, faith not much going around,

Mat_21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
He is my rock.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
 

mjrhealth

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That is straight blasphemy.
Well are you not the ones saying it is "all:" the word of God, soo please who is doing the blasphemy, Christ is the word of God and Him alone and the words that God speaks, and only on Christ will any man ever come into the truth, because He is the truth. But men have their bible.
 

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How is this geography: "They were given authority to kill one-quarter of the world by war, by famine, by plagues and with the wild animals of the earth."?

You can say 25% of the world is destroyed. 25% of plants and trees burned up. 25% of animal life killed, and 25% of humanity die. 25% is not limited by geography only. Who dies the most with war, famine, and plague? Not just trees, plants, and animals. 25% of humanity is going to die. There is no Antichrist, Sorry.

There is no human on a white horse. That is symbolism. It is a symbol of death, not some government taking over the world with men on horses. Nor is it symbolism for a single human. Only a virus can go around the world and take one and leave one. Only a virus can kill without discrimination. In this case the army is a miniature army that will not be stopped by any normal obstruction, but will keep going to all the earth until the Second Coming, if not longer. God declares only 25% humanity can die.

The 6th Trumpet gives the amount of humanity killed during the Trumpets: "It was these three plagues that killed a third of mankind — the fire, smoke and sulfur issuing from the horses’ mouths."

By the end of this 6th Trumpet 50% of humanity is dead. 25% in the Seals leaving 3 quarters. 33% in the Trumpets leaving 2 quarters.

Interesting but imo errant math and your quote is misleading because the scripture doesn't read that way. "power was given them over a fourth part of the earth (sounds geographical to me) to kill with sword and hunger and w/ death(?), and w/ the wild beasts of the earth." Your words - "not some government taking over the world with men on horses" To use your style of analogy, it would take a long time to kill that many folks by swords!
 

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Well are you not the ones saying it is "all:" the word of God, soo please who is doing the blasphemy, Christ is the word of God and Him alone and the words that God speaks, and only on Christ will any man ever come into the truth, because He is the truth. But men have their bible.

You're thoughts and observations are twisted. There is no dealing with you. I will bow out of this conversation.
 

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You're thoughts and observations are twisted. There is no dealing with you. I will bow out of this conversation.
Cool, maybe you should seriously think about putting word into Gods mouth He never spoke. I doubt you would appreciate someone doing it to you.
 

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Interesting but imo errant math and your quote is misleading because the scripture doesn't read that way. "power was given them over a fourth part of the earth (sounds geographical to me) to kill with sword and hunger and w/ death(?), and w/ the wild beasts of the earth." Your words - "not some government taking over the world with men on horses" To use your style of analogy, it would take a long time to kill that many folks by swords!
As I said, 25% of everything is still 25% of humanity. Does it make sense that 25% of the earth is killed, and no humans just happened to not live there? The flip side is 25% of geography could easily wipe out 90% of humanity. Trees can be killed, animals can be killed. But the final harvest is all humans are physically killed. God does not come to harvest trees and animals for a future kingdom or a future lake of fire. It is the harvest of souls.

Would you go so far as to accept 90% of humanity may die in the 4th Seal? How is this consistent in figuring out an exact amount, when in the Trumpet judgment it does specify 33% of actual humans?

I did quote a verse:


"They were given authority to kill one-quarter of the world by war, by famine, by plagues and with the wild animals of the earth."


You may not like the translation though.
 

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As I said, 25% of everything is still 25% of humanity. Does it make sense that 25% of the earth is killed, and no humans just happened to not live there? The flip side is 25% of geography could easily wipe out 90% of humanity. Trees can be killed, animals can be killed. But the final harvest is all humans are physically killed. God does not come to harvest trees and animals for a future kingdom or a future lake of fire. It is the harvest of souls.

Would you go so far as to accept 90% of humanity may die in the 4th Seal? How is this consistent in figuring out an exact amount, when in the Trumpet judgment it does specify 33% of actual humans?

I did quote a verse:


"They were given authority to kill one-quarter of the world by war, by famine, by plagues and with the wild animals of the earth."


You may not like the translation though.

One of the differences is that the 6th trumpet specifies that 1/3 of mankind will be killed, the 4th seal does not say 1/4 of humanity. In this case semantics does make a difference. This is not the final harvest and it's not part of God's wrath. The riders can be considered the last of humanity's chance to turn to God before His wrath begins w/ the trumpets. Authority doesn't mean they must, just that they have the right to, if necessary. The percentage of dead isn't what's important, it is in what locations will these events be happening. For example, say I'm an officer in the army and I have 100 men under my authority and my commanding officer gives me the option of four locations to destroy. It doesn't matter how many men are in each location, my orders are to destroy by whatever means necessary one of those outposts and of course we know death will occur when we strike, some may die by mortars or rifle shots or hand grenades or in hand-to-hand combat, the how is irrelevant. I have the right to take no prisoners and kill everyone of the enemy but it is at my discretion. Just because I have the authority to do so, doesn't mean I have to. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
 

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God’s wrath is distinct from the final harvest, and humans dying is mercy, not wrath. Where a soul ends up is either eternal punishment or eternal reward. The wrath of God is only on those who reject God. The 6th Trumpet of 33% of humanity dying is not wrath either. Those who destroy the earth will be scattered among each group of humanity killed. To say a certain time period is only wrath is misleading. The 7 vials or bowels poured out on those at the end of Satan's 42 months, will be the full wrath, because only those destined for the lake of fire are alive. This set of judgments, happen while the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem for 3 days. They do not even happen during Satan's 42 months, but the 3 days, immediately following, because the 2 witnesses are the only 2 humans left during that time encouraging people to get their heads cut off, instead of receiving the mark. They are the only two witnesses period.

I have to assume you do not want any humans to die in the 4th Seal. The problem is that the fewer humans dying now, will mean many more will end up in the Lake of Fire, later. Teaching the Second Coming after the 7 years are over, has led many to think more people will turn to God and be saved. John never implies this false teaching any where in Revelation. Tribulation has been constant. We are to endure at all times over the last 1990 years. Enduring the final harvest was not the intent. Being raptured out at the Second Coming before the 7th Seal was the purpose of the church, and to take as much of the harvest as possible, before God on the throne and the Lamb even begin the final harvest. Then 25% of humanity dying will not be a big deal. 100%, of that 25%, should be the church, not lost souls. That is what the church should see, not 25% all unsaved souls.

Why was the final harvest of Jesus' first earthly ministry teachings, including the Olivet Discourse, not passed down as what John was revealing in Revelation? How did the church get so far off track looking for an individual AC, instead of God on the throne and the true Messiah? Paul says both appear in Titus 2:13-15

13 while continuing to expect the blessed fulfillment of our certain hope, which is the appearing of the Sh’khinah of our great God and the appearing of our Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah.
14 He gave himself up on our behalf in order to free us from all violation of Torah and purify for himself a people who would be his own, eager to do good.

15 These are the things you should say. Encourage and rebuke with full authority; don’t let anyone look down on you.

Why did the church stop teaching both God in His Glory and the Lamb comes at the Second Coming. The only place that is found is Revelation 6:12-17

12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”

All will see the Second Coming. Matthew 24:29-30. Jesus confirms both Paul and John that the Second Coming is prior to the Trumpets and the final harvest.

29 “But immediately following the trouble of those times,

the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken.


30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory.

The point of confirmation is both God on the throne, and the Lamb will be seen by all, and they come, together, to gather the final harvest. Many will fear, because they know their time is very short.
 

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If you REALLY want to see What The Tribulation Will Look Like, -- watch Trump use the Emergency Broadcast System to announce the arrests of all the TREASON Conspirators:

Gen. McInerny - We Got Pelosi's Laptop


... and these things aren't during the BEGINNING of the Tribulation, but near the END, -- most likely some 10 months before Jesus Returns.


With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
 

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If you REALLY want to see What The Tribulation Will Look Like, -- watch Trump use the Emergency Broadcast System to announce the arrests of all the TREASON Conspirators:

Gen. McInerny - We Got Pelosi's Laptop


... and these things aren't during the BEGINNING of the Tribulation, but near the END, -- most likely some 10 months before Jesus Returns.


With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

Those allied with Communism being arrested by Trump because of tampering with the U.S. election?? That would be a good thing, and certainly not the Tribulation.

The Tribulation would be if those allied with Communism already in power in the U.S. get an even bigger hand over the American people. If that happens then you can forget Christian forums like this one, and the Churches closed and turned into grain storage facilities like Stalinist Russia.
 

Bobby Jo

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... certainly not the Tribulation. ...
I AGREE. There's NOTHING BAD ENOUGH which would constitute "being in the tribulation" until we have Global Thermonuclear war AT THE TAIL END in some 10 months. -- And in the meantime, the ignorant frog never knows it's been slowly cooked for some until then.


Bobby Jo
 

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I AGREE. There's NOTHING BAD ENOUGH which would constitute "being in the tribulation" until we have Global Thermonuclear war AT THE TAIL END in some 10 months. -- And in the meantime, the ignorant frog never knows it's been slowly cooked for some until then.


Bobby Jo

I don't see all out nuclear war for the end. I'm not saying the world powers won't use those kind of weapons just to prepare the world for entrance of their world king though. Lord Jesus showed the very end is not about war and rumors of war. It will be a time of world peace, though a fake peace. That is what today's planned chaos is about, to prepare the peoples of the world to accept their "Peace and safety" via the coming Antichrist beast king.
 

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No, we're NOT in the Tribulation / Yes, we ARE in the Tribulation, -- how do we tell?

  • Some assert that WE NEED a Rebuild Temple / Some assert WE ARE the Temple
  • Some assert the Rev. 13 Beast is not here / Some assert the Rev. 13 Beast has been here since 1950
  • Some assert ... and the list goes on ...

But if a person simply considered what CONSTITUTES "tribulation", it might boil down to UNCERTAINTY and CONFUSION as requisites. And if so, using the LEAST reliable PERCEPTIONS, could we at least agree as to SOME INDICATORS, like maybe:

  • Defund the Police
  • Shut down your business Constitutional right to Freedom and the Pursuit of Happiness
  • Force a person who has no sign of ILLNESS to wear a "mask"/quarantine
  • Restrict the number of immediate family members allowed to be together
  • Rampant Election Fraud
  • Mobs physically deface and tear down Historical Statues and Monuments
  • Cities taken over by mobs
  • Cities being burned while the Media declare the event as "mostly peaceful"
  • The electronic and print Media converted in to a Political Propaganda machine
  • One Political Party commits crimes and go unpunished
  • A different Political Party falsely accused of crimes and goes to jail.
  • ... and the list goes on ...

It seems to me that Scripture (the Book of Psalms) substantiates the premise where this 19th Book of the Bible is prophetic for the 1900, and the Chapters are prophetic TO THE JEWS for the years, -- such that if someone simply considered whether this Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc. And where a Dishonest person won't even "TRY THE SPIRITS TO SEE OF THE BE OF GOD OR NOT", an Honest person might read that Chapter in context with the Book of Psalms to see if there is a MORE ACCURATE DEPICTION of the events in 1948 or whether those Verses capture that History exactly as it transpired.

And if that Honest person applied MORE History to the respective Chapters, (Note: 1967 "Six Day War" is not explicit because of the decade of Palestinian attacks), -- would that person find similarities in for example the 1991 (Ref. Psalms, Chapter 91) "Desert Storm"; or maybe the 1944 (Ref. Psalms, Chapter 44) Holocaust; etc.?


I ask because some Jews saw the Pre-WWII eminent threat in Europe and fled. But others ignored the "red sky warnings" and PERISHED; and I wonder how many in the church are as the former, versus how many are of the latter; and if the latter, having been warned, are liable for their own blood.


Are any EVEN AWARE; are any PAYING ATTENTION; are any TAKING PRECAUTIONS; and are any MAKING PREPARATIONS? And if not, -- should we?


Bobby Jo

Interesting questions! I'll give you my own take, although with you one always risks the usual "retaliation." 1st, I don't define the Reign of Antichrist as "the Tribulation," although that term may do. The Tribulation is actually, in the words of Jesus, the NT era in which Jewish Punishment is meted out. During the Reign of Antichrist this period of Jewish Tribulation will finally come to an end.

At the same time, it will bring to an end the time of Christian Persecution. Christians do not fit well in apostate religious states, nor in pagan states that are resistant to the Gospel. All this will change when Christ comes back.

So are the things the U.S. and the world are going through right now indicators that the Reign of Antichrist is soon to come? Definitely! The US has been one of the last bastions of Christian missionary activity in the history of the world. Christianity, which began in Europe, has fallen on hard times, and its light is going out. And now, the light in America is going out too!

The collapse of Christian principles and freedoms in America is very much a sign of the endtimes. It is the great Antichristian apostasy that takes place just before Antichrist takes his seat in, I believe, Europe.

But the actual sign itself is the rise of Antichrist himself, who coalesces a group of 10 nations around him, defeating 3 of the associated leaders, and gathering the rest around himself. It will continue this process of taking away the rights of Christians, to speak, to gather, to defend themselves, etc.

And you're right. If Christians choose to "sleep" through this remarkable change in former Christian civilization, they do so at their own peril. Some of us may have opportunity to avoid some of the judgments of God upon this wicked civilization. But others are called to testify in the midst of it.

In either case, God's wrath is not poured out on us--we just suffer in punishments being poured out on the wicked. We will not stay dead if we die. If God allows us to escape some of these things, we should take it upon ourselves to "get moving!" ;)
 

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In the course of world events, and the advent of a nation whose Constitution proclaims "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" along with the Bill of Rights, -- exactly who could have imagined a mere TWO YEARS AGO that this nation would SHUTTER THE CHURCHES; CLOSE THE BUSINESSES; PROSECUTE ANYONE WHO RESISTED; and SEIZE THEIR BUSINESS ASSETS?


It ain't a "sauna/hot-tub", -- it's a "stew-pot". And you can't fix what you don't know is broken.
Bobby Jo
 
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It will look like a time of suffering around the world. Any attempt to resist it will increase the grief.
On a brighter note...I saw a video where there were angels flying all over the place.
Then a big one with white wings flew up in front of me.
He was the vanguard, the angel of the Lord.
Raised up a short distance behind him was, seated on a white horse, was Him who is called, "Faithful and True."
Shimmering out from Him, in a fan-like shape, was His glory, colored like a rainbow.
He is so beautiful.