Those who deny Eternal Security

ChristisGod · Jan 13, 2021

Jesus assumed the prerogatives of Yahweh. He claimed to have control over mans eternal destiny (John 8:24, Luke 12:8-9, John 5:22, 27-29)

Jesus claimed to have authority over the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)

Jesus claimed to have the power to answer prayer (John 14:13-14, Acts 7:59, 9:10-17)

Jesus claimed and to have the right to receive worship and faith due to God alone (Matthew 21:16, John 14:1, John 5:23).

Jesus claimed to forgive sins, something only God could do and the Jews knew this to be true. (Mark 2:5-11)

Jesus also called God's angels (Luke 12:8-9, 15:10) His angels (Matthew 13:41, 24:30-31)

Jesus called God's elect (Luke 18:7, Rom. 8:33) His elect (Matthew 24:30-31)

Jesus called God's kingdom (Matthew 12:28, Mark 1:15, Luke 4:43, John 3:3) His kingdom (Matthew 13:41, Luke 1:33).

The Lord's favorite description of Himself was "Son of Man" (cf. Matthew 8:20; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:22; John 9:35-37, etc.). Although that title seems to stress His humanity, it also speaks of His deity. Jesus' use of the term derives from Daniel 7:13-14, where the Son of Man is on equal terms with God the Father, the Ancient of Days.

Son of God- just as the son of man in most cases emphasizes Jesus humanity the title Son of God emphasizes His Deity. He has the same nature as His Father which is Divine.gty

Jesus claimed to be God. John 8:24,58, Revelation 1:8,17; 22:13

The Apostles called Him God- Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1,11; 1 John 5:20

hope this helps !!!

Cooper · Jan 13, 2021

Christophany said:
Jesus assumed the prerogatives of Yahweh. He claimed to have control over mans eternal destiny (John 8:24, Luke 12:8-9, John 5:22, 27-29)

Jesus claimed to have authority over the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)

Jesus claimed to have the power to answer prayer (John 14:13-14, Acts 7:59, 9:10-17)

Jesus claimed and to have the right to receive worship and faith due to God alone (Matthew 21:16, John 14:1, John 5:23).

Jesus claimed to forgive sins, something only God could do and the Jews knew this to be true. (Mark 2:5-11)

Jesus also called God's angels (Luke 12:8-9, 15:10) His angels (Matthew 13:41, 24:30-31)

Jesus called God's elect (Luke 18:7, Rom. 8:33) His elect (Matthew 24:30-31)

Jesus called God's kingdom (Matthew 12:28, Mark 1:15, Luke 4:43, John 3:3) His kingdom (Matthew 13:41, Luke 1:33).

The Lord's favorite description of Himself was "Son of Man" (cf. Matthew 8:20; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:22; John 9:35-37, etc.). Although that title seems to stress His humanity, it also speaks of His deity. Jesus' use of the term derives from Daniel 7:13-14, where the Son of Man is on equal terms with God the Father, the Ancient of Days.

Son of God- just as the son of man in most cases emphasizes Jesus humanity the title Son of God emphasizes His Deity. He has the same nature as His Father which is Divine.gty

Jesus claimed to be God. John 8:24,58, Revelation 1:8,17; 22:13

The Apostles called Him God- Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1,11; 1 John 5:20

hope this helps !!!

That seems clear and concise. So what is this ongoing debate about?
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justbyfaith · Jan 13, 2021

Christophany said:
someone is under a stronghold, a strong delusion.

2 Thess 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

It is surely a delusion to think according to condemnation about those who are in fact guiltless; having confessed their sins.

Coming from someone who has hated my words of righteousness, the accusation against the one of whom I speak is baseless and unfounded.

Also, @Christophany, it appears that you are opposing yourself and are rejecting the offer of salvation being presented to you (see Acts of the Apostles 18:4, 2 Timothy 2:25) over the fact (and regardless of the fact) that you have condemned the tongues that have been spoken as the result of being filled with the Holy Ghost as being of the devil.

I say to you verily that the things that I have been presenting here, are your only hope.

ChristisGod · Jan 13, 2021

Cooper said:
That seems clear and concise. So what is this ongoing debate about?
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ask jfb he is following me around the threads with a chip on his shoulder.

HisLife · Jan 13, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Cohorting with those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost by saying that tongues are of the devil (or that a specific tongue is of the devil) is tantamount to committing the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost yourself.

You Didn't speak in tongues it was more like peeps and mutters, All the Examples through history where phonetic language yours was not, and when you made multiple errors you had no conscience, we are expressly warned

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." - 1 Timothy 4:1

You throw Blasphemy of the Holy spirit around so often you need to calm down, Jesus is not walking around on earth in the flesh performing Miracles through the Holy Spirit, That was the only example that was given, The only Sin you will not be forgiven of now is that you do not Believe The Gospel, Its obvious the Ones like in 1 Timothy 4 try to add to it

Truman · Jan 13, 2021

The Lord breathe peace and encouragement on this thread's participants. Amen.

justbyfaith · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
ask jfb he is following me around the threads with a chip on his shoulder.

I think that maybe, the Holy Spirit has me following you around the threads because He does not forgive you for what you said about Him...calling Him a "seducing spirit"...you continue to do this without repenting.

I want you to know that I consider you to be a preacher of sound doctrine.

But that will not help you on your day of judgment (Isaiah 57:12) if you continue to speak against the Spirit of the living God.

I believe that you are in very grave danger (Mark 3:29 (kjv)) along with @HisLife and @Blood Bought 1953.

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

justbyfaith said:
I think that maybe, the Holy Spirit has me following you around the threads because He does not forgive you for what you said about Him...calling Him a "seducing spirit"...you continue to do this without repenting.

I want you to know that I consider you to be a preacher of sound doctrine.

But that will not help you on your day of judgment (Isaiah 57:12) if you continue to speak against the Spirit of the living God.

I believe that you are in very grave danger (Mark 3:29 (kjv)) along with @HisLife and @Blood Bought 1953.

quit blaming God for your mistakes. you accuse God of things He never does then blame it on the Holy Spirit " guiding " you when in reality its all in your head and not in the mind of God.

BTW- I'm not a "preacher" just the same as you are not lead to be a "teacher" on this forum. Its just another thing you have made up in your mind and blame on God.

And for the same reason you are not a "pastor " in a church is the same way that you are not a pastor/teacher on this forum like you claimed and the people your flock.

Its delusional.

hope this helps!!!

justbyfaith · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
BTW- I'm not a "preacher" just the same as you are not lead to be a "teacher" on this forum.

Right...because my spiritual gift is not teaching but word of wisdom...

Christophany said:
And for the same reason you are not a "pastor " in a church is the same way that you are not a pastor/teacher on this forum like you claimed and the people your flock.

I do not need to have a flattering title of being called "pastor" or "teacher" on these forums (see Job 32:22); but if I do indeed do the work of teaching the body of Christ here, then that is the work that I do.

If I am anything here it is that I am a watchman.

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Right...because my spiritual gift is not teaching but word of wisdom...

I do not need to have a flattering title of being called "pastor" or "teacher" on these forums (see Job 32:22); but if I do indeed do the work of teaching the body of Christ here, then that is the work that I do.

If I am anything here it is that I am a watchman.

and a "watchman" is not a spiritual gift in the N.T.

thanks for that confirmation.

justbyfaith · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
and a "watchman" is not a spiritual gift in the N.T.

thanks for that confirmation.

It is an office spoken of in the Old Testament.

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

justbyfaith said:
It is an office spoken of in the Old Testament.

newsflash there is a new testament now so the OT office no longer exists.

justbyfaith · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
newsflash there is a new testament now so the OT office no longer exists.

News flash the Old Testament is still valid.

The only scriptures that the early church even had was the Old Testament.

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

yep for sure you are under the bondage of the law and you have not been set free.

as they say at burger king: you can have it your way...........

next..................................

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

Galatians 4
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

hope this helps !!!

Michiah-Imla · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
Galatians 4
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

The context here meaning that one desires to be literally circumcised; Seeking to be justified by the law; Believing that righteousness comes by the law.

Not those learning from the law to be wise unto salvation in Christ (to establish the law).

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
(2 Timothy 3:15)

But many are not wise unto salvation in Christ because they refuse to hear the law; shunning the Old Testament and those who cite it frequently.

ChristisGod · Jan 14, 2021

Michiah-Imla said:
The context here meaning that one desires to be literally circumcised; Seeking to be justified by the law; Believing that righteousness comes by the law.

Not those learning from the law to be wise unto salvation in Christ (to establish the law).

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
(2 Timothy 3:15)

But many are not wise unto salvation in Christ because they refuse to hear the law; shunning the Old Testament and those who cite it frequently.

clueless as Galatians 3 and Galatians 4 never mention circumcision but numerous times contrasts the law with faith, the old covenant with the new and Christ redeeming us from the curse of the law.

but hey like I told the other pharisee/legalist go live by the law. I'm not Jew under the law but you are so know yourself out and obey the law while I trust in Christ by faith as a gentile who was redeemed from the curse of the law.

hope this helps !!!

justbyfaith · Jan 14, 2021

Christophany said:
yep for sure you are under the bondage of the law and you have not been set free.

as they say at burger king: you can have it your way...........

next..................................

I am indeed set free from the condemnation of the law and from the Wet Paint Principle.

Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)

However, I am still governed by the law as is every believer who is found to be under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

Also, to be set free from sin, where sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) means that I will be obedient to the law. For if I do not sin then I am obedient to the law; because the law defines sin and sin is the violation of the law. Therefore, being set free from sin, I bear the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23). And therefore I do not violate the law for that I bear the fruit of the Spirit. Being set free from sin, therefore, means a lack of disobedience to the law of the Lord.

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