Hebrews 10:26-31

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justbyfaith

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Now now JBF! Baiting?? :eek:

I wanted to see what his take might be on the subject, actually.

You and others may think those who do not believe as you do, are not saved. And if that is so then, very few indeed will make it through the gates of heaven..

That is what the Bible teaches (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:22-30).
 
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Why do you never ever finish second part of this verse?

"...And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

"John 3:5 do you believe is a lie?"
Of course I do not believe that to be a lie. Nor anything else in His word. He takes away the sins of the world! To be forgotten as far as the East is from the West. He took all sin and He knows His sheep and they recognize His voice. Sheep can wander but, He is the Rock that never wanders and what a foundation. no true Christian "wants" to sin yet, we can lose battles depending whence we come! Some things are ingrained and need to be pealed off layer by layer.
You and others may think those who do not believe as you do, are not saved. And if that is so then, very few indeed will make it through the gates of heaven..

I did in #6. But why do people believe John is lying that it is possible to not sin. Nancy, with maturity of the fruit of the Spirit, even trespasses can halt.

Why are you talking about Jesus as the foundation if you don't even believe we can be like Him. He was sinless on earth, but He was merely the FIRST of many brethren. Romans 8:29-30. I know I'm just repeating myself over and over, but these verses are not THAT hard to understand. Besides, I've taught how easy it is to not sin, so say what you like. I know what I've said, and what I have not. I'm surprised at your accusation. It is time to go to bed, so I forgive you.

1. Never go against your conscience. 1 John 3:21-24 - sinless
2. Always forgive, never go to bed while holding a grudge. - sinless Matthew 6:14-15.
3. Keep progressing toward perfection 2 Peter 1:5-7
4. Don't stop growing 2 Peter 1:8-9
5. Jesus makes it POSSIBLE to not sin. 2 Peter 1:10-11.
 
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1Pe 2:21, For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1Pe 2:22, Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
 

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This passage has created controversy for certain.
This passage must be interpreted in the context in which it occurs. The epistle to the Hebrews is primarily addressed to the Hebrew Christians at the time it was written by Paul. They were vacillating between the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant) and the New Covenant ratified with the blood of Christ. Therefore Paul was warning them not to turn back to the Old Covenant as a means of salvation, but to remain entirely within the New Covenant and to look to Christ alone. Those who would turn back would be considered apostates. But it now applies to those who profess to be Christians -- particularly those who are clergy or theologians -- but flatly deny Christian all beliefs. These are the apostates in Christendom today, and there are many.

Matthew Henry explains this rather well: The sin here mentioned is a total and final apostasy, when men with a full and fixed will and resolution despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour,—despise and resist the Spirit, the only sanctifier,—and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life; and all this after they have known, owned, and professed, the Christian religion, and continue to do so obstinately and maliciously.
 

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What's happened to justbyfaith's OP?


Tozer says it better than I can.....if you are “Stiff - Necked , don’t bother to listen....frankly , I am tired of wasting valuable computer ink on this issue....I’m down to my last half- barrel .....lol....
 
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Tozer says it better than I can.....if you are “Stiff - Necked , don’t bother to listen....frankly , I am tired of wasting valuable computer ink on this issue....I’m down to my last half- barrel .....lol....
God speaks such truth as I need to know directly into the fleshy table of my heart, using whatever media he wishes.
That's why I don't involve in Christian Forums. LoL
 
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Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Heb 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Heb 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This passage has created controversy for certain. I will mention one thing concerning its interpretation and then will hand it over to the Andrew Farley and Les Feldick followers to explain the passage according to their teaching.

It seems to me that there is the following verse,

Heb 10:12, But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

This is in the context of Hebrews 10:26; and it appears to show forth that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross is a valid sacrifice.

Thus, in Hebrews 10:26,

Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

It can be said that the sacrifice being spoken of is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
This passage is about those saints that were wanting to go back to the O.T. Law for their "righteousness", nullifying their remission of sins per Acts 2:38.
 
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The "dead works" AF was addressing was the O.T. Law.

Acts 2:38 is not the O.T. Law.
 

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I did in #6. But why do people believe John is lying that it is possible to not sin. Nancy, with maturity of the fruit of the Spirit, even trespasses can halt.

Why are you talking about Jesus as the foundation if you don't even believe we can be like Him. He was sinless on earth, but He was merely the FIRST of many brethren. Romans 8:29-30. I know I'm just repeating myself over and over, but these verses are not THAT hard to understand. Besides, I've taught how easy it is to not sin, so say what you like. I know what I've said, and what I have not. I'm surprised at your accusation. It is time to go to bed, so I forgive you.

1. Never go against your conscience. 1 John 3:21-24 - sinless
2. Always forgive, never go to bed while holding a grudge. - sinless Matthew 6:14-15.
3. Keep progressing toward perfection 2 Peter 1:5-7
4. Don't stop growing 2 Peter 1:8-9
5. Jesus makes it POSSIBLE to not sin. 2 Peter 1:10-11.

"Confess your sins to one another"...

Well, thanks for your forgiveness...? I was merely giving my own take just as you sister. I do believe that our interpretation of "sin" may be different. I do struggle with attributes that have been with me for decades now. Frustration turns to anger, anger to throwing things and breaking them :( This is sin to me. Nobody is home when I do this as, it is something that happens when I am home, alone...which is about 98% of the time. It is not an everyday thing by no means but it rears it's ugly head at times. Although these "episodes" are becoming further apart and fewer between. I certainly strive to be as Christlike as possible and am growing each day in Him.
I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not intended. I so hope that you and I can reach a consensus sis, because I love you! And, I miss our phone convos. But, I understand why you would rather not.
In His Love,
nancy
 
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Nancy

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I wanted to see what his take might be on the subject, actually.



That is what the Bible teaches (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:22-30).
Yes, it is what the bible teaches. And, we have a choice of which path we will follow. Narrow or wide. I have chosen the narrow because it is life!

I have not seen Bloodbought (?) in a while...hmm.
Anyhow, as long as our hearts are right with God, and we "strive" to become more Christ like everyday, God blesses that and grows us.

"Confess your sins to one another"
In His Name,
nancy
 

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The sin here mentioned is a total and final apostasy, when men with a full and fixed will and resolution despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour,—despise and resist the Spirit, the only sanctifier,—and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life; and all this after they have known, owned, and professed, the Christian religion, and continue to do so obstinately and maliciously.

is this all that it means to "sin willfully"?
 

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@Blood Bought 1953, I would appreciate it if you would give the teaching in your own words so that I can respond to you rather than your teacher concerning this issue.

What have you gleaned from what this teacher/ these teachers have taught?
 

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Yes. In this context.
I think that I have to disagree with you there.

To sin willfully means to sin with intention; it does not only refer to rejection of Jesus as Saviour and Lord.

While to sin willfully is a rejection of the blood sacrifice that Jesus provided for us.
 
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