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Alvertsky

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Sorry, lived in Canada for a time. How do you conflate baby seal clubbing there with their socialized medicine programs? Just curious.
Canada's government enacted a full socialist healthcare system, people wait months just to see a doctor who tells them to go home and die. The Canadian government also allows the bludgeoning of baby seals. So the two situations are inexplicably linked by a socialist government
Canada’s healthcare disaster | TheHill

The fundamental fact is that we cannot cover 36 million new patients without more doctors and nurses, much less with the declining census of medical professionals the Canadian experience points to. A recent survey of doctors by the Pew Institute found that 45 percent of all practicing doctors would consider retiring or closing their practices if the Obama healthcare bill passes. This scarcity of medical personnel heightens the likelihood of draconian rationing, lengthy waiting lists and lower-quality medical care for all of us, particularly for the elderly.



This physician shortage leads to massive and never-ending waiting lists. In 1993, for example, there was an average wait of 9.3 weeks from the time a patient got a referral from a general practitioner to the time he could see a specialist. By 1997, the wait was up to 11.7 weeks. Now it’s 17.3 weeks — over four months just to see a specialist!

In Canada, unions control the entire healthcare process. In Manitoba, for example, there is an eight-month wait for colonoscopies, yet the unions do not permit weekend or evening procedures, thereby extending the waiting lists. The unions are doing to healthcare in Canada what they have done to education in America: stifling creativity, reinforcing bureaucracy and extending waiting times.

Because of these long waits for colonoscopies, there is now a 25 percent higher incidence of colon cancer in Canada than in the United States. And because the leading drugs that we routinely use to treat the malady in the U.S. are banned in Canada because of their high cost, 41 percent of Canadians who get the cancer die of it, compared with only 32 percent in the United States. Overall, the cancer death rate in Canada runs 16 percent higher than in the United States. Cancer does not wait for waiting lists to clear.
 

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Canada's government enacted a full socialist healthcare system, people wait months just to see a doctor who tells them to go home and die. The Canadian government also allows the bludgeoning of baby seals. So the two situations are inexplicably linked by a socialist government
Canada’s healthcare disaster | TheHill

The fundamental fact is that we cannot cover 36 million new patients without more doctors and nurses, much less with the declining census of medical professionals the Canadian experience points to. A recent survey of doctors by the Pew Institute found that 45 percent of all practicing doctors would consider retiring or closing their practices if the Obama healthcare bill passes. This scarcity of medical personnel heightens the likelihood of draconian rationing, lengthy waiting lists and lower-quality medical care for all of us, particularly for the elderly.



This physician shortage leads to massive and never-ending waiting lists. In 1993, for example, there was an average wait of 9.3 weeks from the time a patient got a referral from a general practitioner to the time he could see a specialist. By 1997, the wait was up to 11.7 weeks. Now it’s 17.3 weeks — over four months just to see a specialist!

In Canada, unions control the entire healthcare process. In Manitoba, for example, there is an eight-month wait for colonoscopies, yet the unions do not permit weekend or evening procedures, thereby extending the waiting lists. The unions are doing to healthcare in Canada what they have done to education in America: stifling creativity, reinforcing bureaucracy and extending waiting times.

Because of these long waits for colonoscopies, there is now a 25 percent higher incidence of colon cancer in Canada than in the United States. And because the leading drugs that we routinely use to treat the malady in the U.S. are banned in Canada because of their high cost, 41 percent of Canadians who get the cancer die of it, compared with only 32 percent in the United States. Overall, the cancer death rate in Canada runs 16 percent higher than in the United States. Cancer does not wait for waiting lists to clear.
All valid observations and all the more reason those in the know opposed Socialized medicine entering the sphere of the U.S.. Anyone who knew what it was like to live in Canada and where I was, see the impact of OHIP, Ontario Hospitalization Insurance Protection, knew if America ever went that route we'd be done for. The same awful system plagues the people of Great Britain as well.

Thanks.
I was just curious how you conflated Canada's SMP with the evil slaughter of baby snow seals.
Maybe because SM is the evil slaughter of humans?
 

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Canada's government enacted a full socialist healthcare system, people wait months just to see a doctor who tells them to go home and die.

What a dumb statement.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

All health care in Canada is handled by the different provinces.
I had open heart surgery 17 years ago and no fees.
Five years later I had a pace maker put in, no fees.
And just this spring I received a new heart valve. No fees.

Sure it's all paid by the tax payer.
But no monthly fees are charged in British Columbia.

And I did not wait months.
At the most about 3 weeks.

So, before you open your mouth about another country make sure what you are talking about.

I have heard horror stories about people in the US receiving heart surgery and getting a bill for over $100,000 dollars.
 
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All valid observations and all the more reason those in the know opposed Socialized medicine entering the sphere of the U.S.. Anyone who knew what it was like to live in Canada and where I was, see the impact of OHIP, Ontario Hospitalization Insurance Protection, knew if America ever went that route we'd be done for. The same awful system plagues the people of Great Britain as well.

Another stupid statement from somebody who knows nothing about Canada.

When my wife and I travelled from BC to Ontario about 10 years ago she needed all of a sudden hospital treatment in Ontario.
I showed my BC Medical Card and there was no fee.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

This forum is lately crowded with misguided people.
Throwing out false statements left and right.
Biblical issues, social issues and politics are sure hair raising when one reads this forum. Whatever happened to common sense on all issues?

It boggles the mind.
 
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What a dumb statement.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

All health care in Canada is handled by the different provinces.
I had open heart surgery 17 years ago and no fees.
Five years later I had a pace maker put in, no fees.
And just this spring I received a new heart valve. No fees.

Sure it's all paid by the tax payer.
But no monthly fees are charged in British Columbia.

And I did not wait months.
At the most about 3 weeks.

So, before you open your mouth about another country make sure what you are talking about.

I have heard horror stories about people in the US receiving heart surgery and getting a bill for over $100,000 dollars.
How Socialized Medicine Hurts Canadians and Leaves Them Worse Off Financially | The Heritage Foundation

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care | Canada Health Care (city-journal.org)

Canada's health care system is hopelessly sclerotic. We need to wake up: Neil Macdonald | CBC News
 

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Isn't is funny how they say we MUST wear a mask to cover our nose and mouth but, hello peeps! We have EYES, it can be contracted through so, why not goggles as well? Makes zero sense to me.
The mask is to reduce the small droplets from people that are infected but not showing symptoms (about 20% of the infections) from being spread like a cloud every time and everywhere they exhale. It is only minimally effective at preventing you from inhaling an airborne droplet (40% - 60% typical) and offers negligible protection from virus size particles.
 

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The mask is to reduce the small droplets from people that are infected but not showing symptoms (about 20% of the infections) from being spread like a cloud every time and everywhere they exhale. It is only minimally effective at preventing you from inhaling an airborne droplet (40% - 60% typical) and offers negligible protection from virus size particles.
The mask is a control mechanism over the masses of zombie communist

LOL when I had covid I was told not to wear a mask. They must have not known about virus droplets then huh
 
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Another stupid statement from somebody who knows nothing about Canada.

When my wife and I travelled from BC to Ontario about 10 years ago she needed all of a sudden hospital treatment in Ontario.
I showed my BC Medical Card and there was no fee.

Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
You're so full of venom that you couldn't wait to vomit hate and ridiculous ignorant accusations before it is you that appears as the fool! No one here said emergency cases are turned away.
canada's waiting list for non-emergency patients - Yahoo Search Results

This forum is lately crowded with misguided people.
Throwing out false statements left and right.
Biblical issues, social issues and politics are sure hair raising when one reads this forum. Whatever happened to common sense on all issues?
It boggles the mind.
Yes, it does. However, like you example, a misguided person of your nature is often so full of hate and venom for others that at the first possible opportunity, even when their lack of reading comprehension becomes so apparent, it matters not to them as long as, like you example, they can vomit their hate filled venom at their first opportunity. Even when looking foolish and ignorant at the same time.
And then you feel self-righteous and self-congratulatory afterward. When in reality, they're/you are, just hate filled and venomous and in deep deficit in common sense and decency.
 
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The mask is a control mechanism over the masses of zombie communist

LOL when I had covid I was told not to wear a mask. They must have not known about virus droplets then huh
When you had COVID, you were told to quarantine yourself. There is no need for a mask when you are not out in public. The restricted breathing places you at higher risk from a disease that attacks your respiratory system.

Literacy is your friend ... you can learn a lot by actually reading the CDC reports, guidelines and published Medical studies. You can learn that the CDC and WHO calculate COVID deaths completely differently. CDC counts “people who died WITH COVID” (which would include a man that was hit by a bus, but tested positive. The WHO counts “people who died FROM COVID” (so a person hospitalized with COVID that dies from heart failure is not a COVID death). You can also get the real data on mortality (which is about what China first reported in January and slightly higher than a very bad flu season). You can also learn the efficiency of different masks and their limitations (like the surgical masks that give 90% filtration of virus size particles are only effective for 30 minutes outside of a clean environment like an operating room).

Don’t drink anybody’s koolaid, get the facts for yourself.
 

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When you had COVID, you were told to quarantine yourself. There is no need for a mask when you are not out in public. The restricted breathing places you at higher risk from a disease that attacks your respiratory system.

Literacy is your friend ... you can learn a lot by actually reading the CDC reports, guidelines and published Medical studies. You can learn that the CDC and WHO calculate COVID deaths completely differently. CDC counts “people who died WITH COVID” (which would include a man that was hit by a bus, but tested positive. The WHO counts “people who died FROM COVID” (so a person hospitalized with COVID that dies from heart failure is not a COVID death). You can also get the real data on mortality (which is about what China first reported in January and slightly higher than a very bad flu season). You can also learn the efficiency of different masks and their limitations (like the surgical masks that give 90% filtration of virus size particles are only effective for 30 minutes outside of a clean environment like an operating room).

Don’t drink anybody’s koolaid, get the facts for yourself.
When I had covid Americans were told that there is no need to wear a mask ever. You are ignorant to the truth

(1) Dr Fauci says you don’t need to wear a mask - YouTube

LOL the CDC is funded by tobacco taxes that kill 500,000 Americans every year, but you do not care
 

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A man who works with me also has asthma and could not get tested. Seems by all standards that they wanted people to die which is why covid infected people were forced by law into nursing homes
That seems dubious.

When I went to the local drive-thru testing center, there were no questions about asthma. They asked about symptoms, exposure to people with symptoms, and then stuck a long Q-tip up your nose. (My test came back negative).

An alternative is a blood test for antibodies that is free with EVERY Blood Donation. I was testing negative for COVID antibodies every two weeks when I donated platelets.

With respect to “nursing homes”, it was a bad decision but the question was whether to fill all of the hospital beds with nursing home patients that were COVID positive or to create a COVID ward in the nursing homes for those sick but not needing a ventilator. In retrospect, they made a bad choice.
 

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That seems dubious.

When I went to the local drive-thru testing center, there were no questions about asthma. They asked about symptoms, exposure to people with symptoms, and then stuck a long Q-tip up your nose. (My test came back negative).

An alternative is a blood test for antibodies that is free with EVERY Blood Donation. I was testing negative for COVID antibodies every two weeks when I donated platelets.

With respect to “nursing homes”, it was a bad decision but the question was whether to fill all of the hospital beds with nursing home patients that were COVID positive or to create a COVID ward in the nursing homes for those sick but not needing a ventilator. In retrospect, they made a bad choice.
The man who works with me went to the state testing facility twice and they closed it before he was seen, twice, he was severely ill. There is nothing dubious about fools who believe the nonsense and hate spewed from TV
 

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Yes, it does. However, like you example, a misguided person of your nature is often so full of hate and venom for others that at the first possible opportunity, even when their lack of reading comprehension becomes so apparent, it matters not to them as long as, like you example, they can vomit their hate filled venom at their first opportunity. Even when looking foolish and ignorant at the same time.
And then you feel self-righteous and self-congratulatory afterward. When in reality, they're/you are, just hate filled and venomous and in deep deficit in common sense and decency.


Vomit, hate, no decency?

It's clear you know nothing about me.
I will not even respond to your nonsense.
 
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When you had COVID, you were told to quarantine yourself. There is no need for a mask when you are not out in public. The restricted breathing places you at higher risk from a disease that attacks your respiratory system.

Literacy is your friend ... you can learn a lot by actually reading the CDC reports, guidelines and published Medical studies. You can learn that the CDC and WHO calculate COVID deaths completely differently. CDC counts “people who died WITH COVID” (which would include a man that was hit by a bus, but tested positive. The WHO counts “people who died FROM COVID” (so a person hospitalized with COVID that dies from heart failure is not a COVID death). You can also get the real data on mortality (which is about what China first reported in January and slightly higher than a very bad flu season). You can also learn the efficiency of different masks and their limitations (like the surgical masks that give 90% filtration of virus size particles are only effective for 30 minutes outside of a clean environment like an operating room).

Don’t drink anybody’s koolaid, get the facts for yourself.
Lol are you always so frustrated and triggered? The facts are that my entire family had covid and that we were told not to wear masks

But you know that everything on tv is real

That is silly
 
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