Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

n2thelight said:

John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

The word "mansions" as written in the Greek text. "Mansions" is "mone", # 3438 in the Strong's Greek dictionary, and pronounced, "mon-ay' ". It means a place to rest and abide where there is no trouble. Friend, this resting place is in Christ and the Father, that is the resting.

John 14:3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

This is Jesus' promise to you and I today, as much as it was to those eleven disciples sitting at the supper table with Him two thousand years ago. Jesus is telling us that we can count on Him, He is returning to earth to receive His own, and be with them here on earth during the Millennium age Kingdom.

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first thanks for the reply, second, I agree, but did he, JESUS returned, first in Spirit, (not every Eye saw him), side note, "the ten virgins" revealed...

yes, he returned in Spirit, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."John 14:19 "Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also."

verse 18, that's audience relevance, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and he is a God of his word, he did not leave them "comfortless" he came to them on the day of pentecost. and he made the same promise also in, Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

again audience relevance, "YOU", and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. how plain can one get. did not the Lord Jesus die and go to heaven? yes, and he said, "and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world". so how was he with them? answer, in Spirit, Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." BINGO.

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Davy said:

That above is the FALSE DOCTRINE CALLED FULL PRETERISM.

It is a doctrine of devils, because it wrongly treats Christ's future return as already having happened back in His Apostle's days, as a 'spiritual' coming only. It is to DENY Jesus' bodily return back to this earth which is written in God's Word (Acts 1, Zechariah 14).

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ERROR, I'm not a preterist, that's bible.

well lets put your belifs to the test, tell us, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

so, are some that was standing there still alive today, or has the Lord Jesus, the Son of man has already come in his KINGDOM..... your answer please.

cain't wait to hear this answer.

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Davy said:

And now you are trying to BEAR FALSE WITNESS against me, by asking such a question.

You obviously have not been able to prove your pet Pre-trib Rapture theory position per God's written Word, so now you have to try and use slanders and make believe.

So I will say it again, in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus showed WHEN HIS COMING TO GATHER HIS SAINTS will be, and He showed it will be AFTER... the tribulation He mentioned there! He made direct statements to that fact there. They are not metaphors nor parable. And what He showed there DIRECTLY PARALLELS what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 about the coming of Christ and gathering of His Church.

Now if you cannot grasp by what I declared in that above paragraph showing what I believe about my Lord Jesus Christ's return to gather His saints, then you definitely have a comprehension problem.

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Except I did provide Scripture and a reasonable answer and you accused me (falsely) of silly word play. Then it went downhill from there. Why did you not just address the Scriptures I gave? John claims God on the throne comes to earth in the 6th Seal. In Matthew 21 Jesus ask those what will happen when the Lord of the vineyard returns? Paul in Titus 2 points out God is coming in all of His Glory. There is a rapture at the 6th Seal because that is the Second Coming and that is when Paul places the rapture. Paul does not say the rapture happens at the battle of Armageddon any where. Neither does Jesus Christ any where. If they did, I would quote verses and agree with you.


Christ does come at the battle of Armageddon with an army. That is because Satan was just given 42 months of full authority. Christ and the 144k left earth during this 42 months. If Satan does not get 42 months. The 7th Trumpet would sound for 8 days and then the Millennium would start, after the winepress event of Revelation 14. If Revelation 13 does not split the week in half there will also never be 42 months, no image, no mark, no beheadings, no vials poured out, and no battle of Armageddon. Christ remains on earth for the Millennium after the end of Adam's flesh and blood. When the 7th Trumpet sounds, Satan and his angels would still be cast out and bound for 1000 years.

The issue is the church has been taught to await the Antichrist and Satan's 42 months. Since when has God and Christ come in at second place of importance? The church has turned God's Word into a lie that is waiting for the wrong event. Sounds like the church is in the same same political spot the Jews were at during the first coming. They were not looking for a Messiah, but one who would save them from the government. The emphasis is on an AC and a corrupt government that Christ is coming to eradicate. That was not true then, it will not be true now. The only truth is that the church has fallen into apostasy more than the Jews did. They even deny a rapture today. Today's rapture is the same post saving event the radicals of Jesus' day thought a Messiah would save them from: the Roman tribulation.

Revelation clearly points out the Second Coming and harvest come before Satan's time, if Satan gets any time at all. The church could still repent of this wicked foolishness they have allowed into their churches, and God can still heal this world. 2 Chronicles 7. We should be dedicating our living temples to God. God will handle politics and sinful flesh.

101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, I agree, but did he, JESUS returned, first in Spirit, (not every Eye saw him), side note, "the ten virgins" revealed...

yes, he returned in Spirit, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."John 14:19 "Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also."

verse 18, that's audience relevance, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and he is a God of his word, he did not leave them "comfortless" he came to them on the day of pentecost. and he made the same promise also in, Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

again audience relevance, "YOU", and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. how plain can one get. did not the Lord Jesus die and go to heaven? yes, and he said, "and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world". so how was he with them? answer, in Spirit, Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." BINGO.

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Thank you as well 4 a civil discussion

Yes all that happened ,yet Christ did not return ,yes He did what He promised ,sent the Spirit ,and that was to give them remembrance ,until His return .

Had Christ returned , we would not be in flesh bodies ,Paul told us that

n2thelight said:

Thank you as well 4 a civil discussion

Yes all that happened ,yet Christ did not return ,yes He did what He promised ,sent the Spirit ,and that was to give them remembrance ,until His return .

Had Christ returned , we would not be in flesh bodies ,Paul told us that

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GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, the same for a civil discussion, and lets keep it that way. one sticking point, you said, "yes He did what He promised ,sent the Spirit". and this is what I like to clear up, is he, Jesus, not the HOLY SPIRIT? lets see. the Lord Jesus said in, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and then he said, in coming to them, not in flesh and bone, which is his second "APPERANCE", but would "MANIFEST" himself to them, (in Spirit, his first return), John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

ok n2thelight, please answer these questions so that we can get a clear picture, and agreement, of the Lord's, not christ return, but the Lord's first return.

#1. "the Lord Jesus promise to send ANOTHER comforter, so who was the first comforter?". post scripture to that effect.

#2. "is not the COMFORTER the ADVOCATE, the same person?", yes or no, look up both definitions.

#3. "Now, knowing the answer to question #2. above, John John 14:17 states, "the COMFORTER, this ADVOCATE, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.". when you find out the answer to #2. which is the Lord Jesus, the COMFORTER, this ADVOCATE, (in his glorified state),he Jesus will as John 14:17 states will be in us, correct? yes, or no.

#4. now knowing all the above answers, the definition of COMFORTER, and ADVOCATE is the same Greek word, G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n. it's only found in John 14 and 1 John 2, and it is directly identifying the Lord Jesus, is this correct, yes or no? see above.

Please search out G3875 παράκλητος parakletos, and remember it also states in the definition of G3875 παράκλητος parakletos , he's our intercessor ....... and you do know who the Intercessor is correct....

will be looking for your answers to all 4 question. thanks in advance.

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Davy said:

IF... you believe Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in history, then that is a false doctrine of man, called Full Preterism. Partial Preterism still believes in Christ's future literal bodily coming.

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Davy said:

And Jesus' answer to that...

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.
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so we can take this as you cannot answer my question?

now the answer you gave have nothing to do with knowing when the Son of Man came in that kingdom.

so again, I ask you when did the Son of man come in his kingdom, and it is based on , Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

so again I ask when did ... "THIS" .... event happen when some standing there did not taste DEATH...... your answer please.


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John did not taste death, until he saw all that was prophesied. That is how we have the book of Revelation. The kingdom is not now. That does not mean a coming kingdom will not happen.

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GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, the same for a civil discussion, and lets keep it that way. one sticking point, you said, "yes He did what He promised ,sent the Spirit". and this is what I like to clear up, is he, Jesus, not the HOLY SPIRIT? lets see. the Lord Jesus said in, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and then he said, in coming to them, not in flesh and bone, which is his second "APPERANCE", but would "MANIFEST" himself to them, (in Spirit, his first return), John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

ok n2thelight, please answer these questions so that we can get a clear picture, and agreement, of the Lord's, not christ return, but the Lord's first return.

#1. "the Lord Jesus promise to send ANOTHER comforter, so who was the first comforter?". post scripture to that effect.

#2. "is not the COMFORTER the ADVOCATE, the same person?", yes or no, look up both definitions.

#3. "Now, knowing the answer to question #2. above, John John 14:17 states, "the COMFORTER, this ADVOCATE, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.". when you find out the answer to #2. which is the Lord Jesus, the COMFORTER, this ADVOCATE, (in his glorified state),he Jesus will as John 14:17 states will be in us, correct? yes, or no.

#4. now knowing all the above answers, the definition of COMFORTER, and ADVOCATE is the same Greek word, G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n. it's only found in John 14 and 1 John 2, and it is directly identifying the Lord Jesus, is this correct, yes or no? see above.

Please search out G3875 παράκλητος parakletos, and remember it also states in the definition of G3875 παράκλητος parakletos , he's our intercessor ....... and you do know who the Intercessor is correct....

will be looking for your answers to all 4 question. thanks in advance.

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Okay ,to be technical Christ was here before He was born to Mary, in the person of Melchizedek .,Yet that was not His first advent.

I can't answer your 1 through 4 questions because they don't concern both advents as stated in the below verses

Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.."

When we refer to two advents, or comings of our Lord Jesus Christ, this verse prophesied the first advent. This happened just prior to his crucifixion on palm Sunday. Matthew 21:1-9 records in detail Christ's entry into Jerusalem, and verse five fulfills this prophecy.

Matthew 21:5 "Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foul of an ass."

In Christ's first coming He did not come as the King of Kings, and riding on that great white horse. No! He came as a baby in the lowest of places; a cave [manger] where cattle were kept. He came to pay the price, and offer Salvation. When Jesus entered Jerusalem, it was on "a colt the foal of an ass." That is a donkey that had never been ridden before. His first coming paid the price in full for your and my sins, when we repent them to the Father "in Jesus name".

Zechariah 9:10 "And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

This verse is telling us of the second advent of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ will not be crucified at this time, but He will come with a rod of iron. The chariot to be cut off, will bring peace for Ephraim.

In other words Christ came physically the first time as a baby and He shall return a second time as King of kings and Lord of lords

Now if you wanna talk about the Comforter ,ie, the Holy Spirit ,that's different

Davy said:

You've got a long list of Scriptures I've given that you have never bothered to address, but only respond with irrelevant dribble to try and squirt those Scriptures. So only an idiot would continue to address your questions.

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first thanks for the reply, second, I asked just one question, which you stilled not addressed....

I asked, "The Son of man come in his kingdom, and it is based on , Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

so again I ask, when did ... "THIS" .... event happen when some standing there did not taste DEATH......
your only options are A. if the Son of man has not yet returned, then there are some very, very, and I mean very old people still walking around for the time the Lord Jesus walked the earth in flesh and blood.or,
option B. the Lord Jesus did not lie, as he always do, NEVER LIE, which means that he, the Lord Jesus did return as the Son of man before some standing there before him tasted DEATH.

now your answer please. for option as you know is OUT, so that leaves option B, and the time is when?

I'll be looking for your answer.

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n2thelight said:

Okay ,to be technical Christ was here before He was born to Mary, in the person of Melchizedek .,Yet that was not His first advent.

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first thanks for the reply, second, Christ is not the person Melchizedek. and third, Christ/the Lord Jesus, the ordinal Last, first "APPERANCE" was when he came in flesh as the "COMFORTER", when Mary brought forth her first child, who was Married to Joseph, her husband. do we have scripture to back this up? yes, Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

that term "consolation" is another name that identify the "COMFORTER", lets see it. it's the Greek word,
G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

if someone give "HELP", or gives "counsel", as here, with God in flesh, who is the Christ, is called the, Comforter
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

understand n2thelight, one who gives "counsel", in the legal arena is called an advocate for the defense, 1 John 2:1...... there he is, the Holy Spirit, God in flesh. and someone who gives comfort, in the legal arena or not, is called a HELPER, who intercede on behalf for another..... we suggest you study those definitions, for they was Give afore time, in Isaiah 9:6 ...... YIKES!

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I can't answer your 1 through 4 questions because they don't concern both advents as stated

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as stated in your scriptures, well let take for example, since this post is streatched for amount of letters, let hit you right in Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones." you know this is speaking of the Lord Jesus the Christ ... right... right. Matthews 26:31

well if this don't smack our Lord first advent... see that, "my Fellow?", what do "FELLOW" here in Hebrew means?
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

see that.. #2. kindred man. and how the kjv can translate the word... "another" ... like in ANOTHER Comforter. for this fellow is God's "ANOTHER" as in again ANOTHER COMFORTER, scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" another comforter is God's fellow, or God's another.... BINGO, are the light bulbs coming on now, or at least the red light of DANGER, DANGER.

now that "Kindred man", who's God's fellow. listen scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

that word "offspring" is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

there he is, that first advent.... ..... see it, Kin as in "Kindred man", or God who is our fellow/kinsman, as in Kinsma Redeemer. yes right here in Zechariah 13:7, the "Diversified Oneness", or God. YIKES! ..... you did not have a clue that this was in the OT, "Diversity", did you. see, I can come at you a thousand way and still have a thousand reserved, OT or NT.

now, no shame in your game, because you didn;t kow this and why you could not answer #1-4. so now you know this... and may God help you to understand it.


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amadeus said:

What if he has come already into the little bit of earth of you and me to rule in our hearts? Would that not be the 2nd coming if coming to die on the cross were the 1st?

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" Col 1:27

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Yes! All born again Christians ARE the New earth! Jesus Himself is OUR New Heaven.
He Himself is the KoG.
In more ways than one, the KoG (who is Jesus) was taken from the Jews and given to another, being the Gentiles.

Earburner said:

Yes! All born again Christians ARE the New earth! Jesus Himself is OUR New Heaven.
He Himself is the KoG.
In more ways than one, the KoG (who is Jesus) was taken from the Jews and given to another, being the Gentiles.

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so, you're saying that Jesus is the Holy Ghost, (KOG), correct, Romans 14:17.

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101G said:

so, you're saying that Jesus is the Holy Ghost, (KOG), correct, Romans 14:17.

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What does death taste like? No one in Christ after the Cross has tasted death. But if your definition of taste is based on western science...

Should Jesus had just literally said no one will die? But then again, what is death to one in Christ? Is this corruptible dead body, any more or any less dead, after the soul leaves? David had to walk through a valley of death that lasted almost 1000 years. Those in Jesus' hearing, who followed Jesus Christ in death, that valley is so short, none of the senses would register the movement of the soul into the permanent incorruptible body in Paradise.

I would question that the bones left behind is even you any more, as the dead you was never you either, especially if one cannot taste death?

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.