Who founded your church?

David H. · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
Sorrt - but you lost me after that first comment above in RED.
You seriously believe that Jesus built more than ONE Church?

BreadOfLife said:
Your other comments in RED ahow me just how confused you seem to be. And you're WRONG about Paul's reference to the Church in Eph. 1:22-23 being the FULLNESS of Christ and it being a "distant prophecy". He is talking about the Church in his OWN time.

The Process of filling is a continual process both in the church and in the believer, This is simple common sense, We all know in part as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13. To claim to have all truth, whether in one church or one individual believer is the hubris of the carnal mind and the very heart of Nicolaitan doctrine which leads to persecution of those "not in the Know" as You and others here are doing. God Knew this, and accounted for this in his plan for the church, thus he has a progressive revelation to the church, One that when men become enraptured in their hubris he raises a Holy remnant to rekindle the flame of truth is a further revelation to the church. He is in effect casting out the Abiathar priesthood and replacing it with the Zadok Priesthood, and this is all in his sovereign will and power to do so.

As For Ephesians being a distant prophecy, i was Quoting from Ephesians 4, and the verses that points to this are Ephesians 4:11-16 Notice the word "till" it means Until, simple enough.... meaning that the gol of the fivefold ministry is to have the people reach the fulness of Christ. As an example, the goal of a social worker is for a client not to need their help anymore, or the goal of a psychologist should be to have their patient no longer need their counselling. It should not be a desire to perpetuate their clients under them, but the desire to have them grow to all be teachers themselves.

This is quite the opposite of what your church preaches, they are like the bad psychologist whose goal is to keep you as a client forever dependent on their counselling so that they always have a paying client. or a Bad social worker who keeps their client dependent on the social handout and them getting that client the socil handout rather than becoming an independent and functioning member of society. It is this very thing that we see the Author of Hebrews lament in Hebrews 5:12-14. It is this very thing the Nicolaitans prevent the masses from accomplishing in their own Spiritual lives. It is this very thing that Jesus hates in the church, and it is this very thing that is the doctrine you and others are promoting trying to force submission to the RCC rather than encouraging the believer to walk in the Spirit.

So Your 17 years of correcting the lies are nothing more than 17 years of propagating the delusion of Nicolaitanism. Hard words for you to receive I will grant it, but words the LORD wants you to hear, if you will hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.

Renniks · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
And once again - it depends on GRAVITY of sin.
You always ignore important points and then re-argue an issue.

As I already showed you, John states that there is sin that causes DEATH (John 17:20-23) - Spiritual death. Whereas less serious sin (venial) damages our relationship with God - deadly sin (mortal) actually SEVERS it.
So - NOT everyone who dies in sin is lost.

And that gravity is never fully defined. How is one to know? You never answer the real questions, you just dance around them.

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

Renniks said:
Pure Catholic nonsense. The only deadly sin is unbelief.

When it comes to the issue of salvation, ALL SIN IS SIN. Salvation is not determined by who did more good than bad, in God's sight He could not allow even ONE SIN where big or small in His presence and that's where works salvation really fails. While the severity when it comes to physical punishment is not equal, however it takes only ONE SIN to break the whole Law (James 2:10). Romans 3:10-19 declares that all have sinned and because of that, they've fallen short of the glory of God and they are guilty before God. Also, when Jesus died on the cross He died for ALL sins no matter how big or small. And since salvation can never be merited or earned (Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8-9), when a believer sins they do not lose their salvation, however they are miserable and are instead chastised by God (Hebrews 12:5-6).

Putting sins in neat little categories I convenient but unbiblical.

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church is found this description of mortal sin: “For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: ‘Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.’” According to the Catechism, “Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments.” The Catechism further states that mortal sin “results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell.”

The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24; Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.
In both cases of mortal and venial sin, forgiveness of the given transgression is dependent upon the offender making restitution of some type. In Roman Catholicism, this restitution may take the form of going to confession, praying a certain prayer, receiving the Eucharist, or another ritual of some type. The basic thought is that in order for Christ’s forgiveness to be applied to the offender, the offender must perform some work, and then the forgiveness is granted. The payment and forgiveness of the transgression is dependent upon the offender’s actions.

Is this what the Bible teaches regarding the payment for sin? The Bible clearly teaches that the payment for sin is not found in or based upon the actions of the sinner. Consider the words of 1 Peter 3:18, “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.” Take note of the wording, “Christ also died for sins once for all.” This passage teaches that for the person who is believing in Jesus Christ, all of his or her sins have been taken care of on the cross. Christ died for all of them. This includes the sins the believer committed before salvation and the ones he has committed and will commit after salvation.

The Bible does teach (Galatians 6:7 and 8) and (2 Samuel 11-20) that when a Christian gets involved in sin, he or she may reap temporal, physical, emotional, mental and/or spiritual consequences. But the believer never has to reacquire God’s forgiveness due to personal sin because God’s Word declares that God’s wrath toward the believer’s sin was satisfied completely at the cross.

The reason you can’t possibly understand the differences between the gravity of sin is because you have rejected Christ’s Church. Unless you have a true understanding of WHAT His Church is – you can NEVER fully understand the Gospel.

I have labored - in vain, apparently – to make you understand over the last several posts – but you just aren’t getting it. You STILL adhere to unbiblical Protestant fallacies like Sola Scriptura for your understanding. What did the Church do for the first few hundred years BEFORE the Bible was compiled and declared inspired and canonical? Actually – we need to go BACK to Scripture to understand.

Jesus – who is GOD – gave Supreme earthly Authority to His Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23). He stated that WHATEVER His Church bound and loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven. And he guaranteed that the Holy Spirit would guide that Church to ALL TRUTH (John 16:12-15). What he DIDN’T do was to leave a set of writings and declare THAT to be our “Sole” Authority. THIS fallacy was invented in the 16th century by YOUR Protestant Fathers.

When you put EVERY individual in charge of personally interpreting the Scriptures for themselves – you get what we have today: Literally, tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different and opposite doctrines – yet ALL claiming to have been “led” to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

Matt. 5:19 states:
Whoever then relaxes (breaks) one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Here, Jesus is teaching that there are “least” commandments that one can break and even teach others to do so yet STILL remain “in the kingdom of heaven.” This is a perfect definition of venial sin, as defined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

THEN, he warns us in the verses that follow (Matt. 5:22-29) that there are other sins that will lead us to hell—if we don’t repent of them.

This is why John (1 John 5:16-17) also differentiates between sins that can cause DEATH (mortal) – and sins that don’t (venial).
ALL the Church did was to give names to these different types of sin - because the Church has the Authority to do so.

Renniks said:
And that gravity is never fully defined. How is one to know? You never answer the real questions, you just dance around them.

For ALL questions regarding our faith, sin, etc - we go THROUGH His Church to the Scriptures.
THAT's why Jesus left His CHURCH in charge (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

David H. said:
The Process of filling is a continual process both in the church and in the believer, This is simple common sense, We all know in part as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13. To claim to have all truth, whether in one church or one individual believer is the hubris of the carnal mind and the very heart of Nicolaitan doctrine which leads to persecution of those "not in the Know" as You and others here are doing. God Knew this, and accounted for this in his plan for the church, thus he has a progressive revelation to the church, One that when men become enraptured in their hubris he raises a Holy remnant to rekindle the flame of truth is a further revelation to the church. He is in effect casting out the Abiathar priesthood and replacing it with the Zadok Priesthood, and this is all in his sovereign will and power to do so.

As For Ephesians being a distant prophecy, i was Quoting from Ephesians 4, and the verses that points to this are Ephesians 4:11-16 Notice the word "till" it means Until, simple enough.... meaning that the gol of the fivefold ministry is to have the people reach the fulness of Christ. As an example, the goal of a social worker is for a client not to need their help anymore, or the goal of a psychologist should be to have their patient no longer need their counselling. It should not be a desire to perpetuate their clients under them, but the desire to have them grow to all be teachers themselves.

This is quite the opposite of what your church preaches, they are like the bad psychologist whose goal is to keep you as a client forever dependent on their counselling so that they always have a paying client. or a Bad social worker who keeps their client dependent on the social handout and them getting that client the socil handout rather than becoming an independent and functioning member of society. It is this very thing that we see the Author of Hebrews lament in Hebrews 5:12-14. It is this very thing the Nicolaitans prevent the masses from accomplishing in their own Spiritual lives. It is this very thing that Jesus hates in the church, and it is this very thing that is the doctrine you and others are promoting trying to force submission to the RCC rather than encouraging the believer to walk in the Spirit.

So Your 17 years of correcting the lies are nothing more than 17 years of propagating the delusion of Nicolaitanism. Hard words for you to receive I will grant it, but words the LORD wants you to hear, if you will hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.

And once again - you're perveted the Word of God by misapplication and misdirection.

Christ's Church isn't ALMOST the fullness of Christ - or in the PROCESS of being the fullness of Christ.
Paul states explicitly that it IS the fullness of Him. He also stated that the Churchg is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

And your reference to 1 Cor. 13 as a condemnation of this idea shows your ignorance. This chapter is about the INDIVIDUAL - NOT the Chiurch as a whole.

I showed you earlier what the Bible itself states about the Church. These aren't "Catholic inventions" - they are straight from the breath of GOD. Jesus didn't tell Saul to stop persecuting the Church. He told him to sop persecuting "ME" (Acts 9:45). Christ compares His very SELF with His Church, which is His Body (Col. 1:18).

THAT is why His Church always WAS and IS the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23) and the pillar and foundation of TRUTH (1 Tim. 3:15) - which is Christ Himself (John 14:6).
And that's the truth that I've been defending for 17+ years online . . .

David H. · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
And once again - you're perveted the Word of God by misapplication and misdirection.

Christ's Church isn't ALMOST the fullness of Christ - or in the PROCESS of being the fullness of Christ.
Paul states explicitly that it IS the fullness of Him. He also stated that the Churchg is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

And your reference to 1 Cor. 13 as a condemnation of this idea shows your ignorance. This chapter is about the INDIVIDUAL - NOT the Chiurch as a whole.

I showed you earlier what the Bible itself states about the Church. These aren't "Catholic inventions" - they are straight from the breath of GOD. Jesus didn't tell Saul to stop persecuting the Church. He told him to sop persecuting "ME" (Acts 9:45). Christ compares His very SELF with His Church, which is His Body (Col. 1:18).

THAT is why His Church always WAS and IS the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23) and the pillar and foundation of TRUTH (1 Tim. 3:15) - which is Christ Himself (John 14:6).
And that's the truth that I've been defending for 17+ years online . . .

Since your anger is growing as is evident in this comment, and the fact that you cannot and fail to address the points being made from the scriptures I site, I will no longer comment with you. As another poster said you merely dance around the topic and cast aspersions against the person commenting with you and belittle them with your Nicolaitan prowess and your mental Hubris. It is unbecoming of one who call themselves a Christian and shows the lack of charity which Paul Speaks of in 1 Corinthians 13.
All You and the others here are doing is promoting man worship and will worship and not the worship of Christ and the cross. they are seeking to Rob the glory from Christ Jesus and put it at the feet of men. As for Ephesians 1:22-23 , you twist a scripture that speaks of Christ being the head of the body, the all in all, and make it out to be the churches of men. The very essence of the Nicolaitan doctrine. You are simply blind to this. We do not worship men we worship Christ Jesus, that is the difference between you and I. I Point them to Christ and the cross, you point them to the RCC and the Pope.
One day I pray he will open your eyes to see this. (Colossians 3:2)

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

David H. said:
Since your anger is growing as is evident in this comment, and the fact that you cannot and fail to address the points being made from the scriptures I site, I will no longer comment with you. As another poster said you merely dance around the topic and cast aspersions against the person commenting with you and belittle them with your Nicolaitan prowess and your mental Hubris. It is unbecoming of one who call themselves a Christian and shows the lack of charity which Paul Speaks of in 1 Corinthians 13.
All You and the others here are doing is promoting man worship and will worship and not the worship of Christ and the cross. they are seeking to Rob the glory from Christ Jesus and put it at the feet of men. As for Ephesians 1:22-23 , you twist a scripture that speaks of Christ being the head of the body, the all in all, and make it out to be the churches of men. The very essence of the Nicolaitan doctrine. You are simply blind to this. We do not worship men we worship Christ Jesus, that is the difference between you and I. I Point them to Christ and the cross, you point them to the RCC and the Pope.
One day I pray he will open your eyes to see this. (Colossians 3:2)

I'm not "angry", nor have I "danced" around anything. Those are excuses for not engaging in further conversation because I pretty much sunk your arguments.

I have stated very matter-of-factly that your theological explanations of Scripture are man-made perversions - and fairly new ones at at, historically-speaking. I've also notice that your obsession with all things "Nicolaitan" has blurred your thinking as well. YOUR views on the Church and what it actually is, stands as a lesson to everybody here for what NOT to do when reading Scripture . . .

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
I'm not "angry", nor have I "danced" around anything. Those are excuses for not engaging in further conversation because I pretty much sunk your arguments.

I have stated very matter-of-factly that your theological explanations of Scripture are man-made perversions - and fairly new ones at at, historically-speaking. I've also notice that your obsession with all things "Nicolaitan" has blurred your thinking as well. YOUR views on the Church and what it actually is, stands as a lesson to everybody here for what NOT to do when reading Scripture . . .

Christ and His church are one and necessary for salvation acts 9
Saul Saul why do you persecute me? Saul was persecuting the church

David H. · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
I have stated very matter-of-factly that your theological explanations of Scripture are man-made perversions - and fairly new ones at at, historically-speaking. I've also notice that your obsession with all things "Nicolaitan" has blurred your thinking as well. YOUR views on the Church and what it actually is, stands as a lesson to everybody here for what NOT to do when reading Scripture . . .

Perfect display of the Nicolaitan mindset here. "let the church leaders teach you, you are not worthy to learn from the Holy Spirit yourself" Or "Divine revelation is only for the priestly class".... I have heard it all from all sides, whether Protestant or Catholic and every cult in the world. It is nothing more than a tool of manipulation.... Mystical manipulation at that... read link.
Eight Ways to Identify Religious Brainwashing: Mystical Manipulation (Part 2 of 8) | Liberty for Captives

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12)

Renniks · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
Whoever then relaxes (breaks) one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This is about reward, not teaching that some sins are deadly and some not. Some sins can possibly lead to unbelief if never dealt with. But it's not those sins that damn a person but his unbelief.

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

David H. said:
Perfect display of the Nicolaitan mindset here. "let the church leaders teach you, you are not worthy to learn from the Holy Spirit yourself" Or "Divine revelation is only for the priestly class".... I have heard it all from all sides, whether Protestant or Catholic and every cult in the world. It is nothing more than a tool of manipulation.... Mystical manipulation at that... read link.
Eight Ways to Identify Religious Brainwashing: Mystical Manipulation (Part 2 of 8) | Liberty for Captives

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12)

scripture says we must be taught, instructed, catechized by the apostles

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

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The obedience of faith!

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

We are not commanded to read and make doctrine for ourselves but obey those who God puts in authority.

Brakelite · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
And once again - you're perveted the Word of God by misapplication and misdirection.

Christ's Church isn't ALMOST the fullness of Christ - or in the PROCESS of being the fullness of Christ.
Paul states explicitly that it IS the fullness of Him. He also stated that the Churchg is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

And your reference to 1 Cor. 13 as a condemnation of this idea shows your ignorance. This chapter is about the INDIVIDUAL - NOT the Chiurch as a whole.

I showed you earlier what the Bible itself states about the Church. These aren't "Catholic inventions" - they are straight from the breath of GOD. Jesus didn't tell Saul to stop persecuting the Church. He told him to sop persecuting "ME" (Acts 9:45). Christ compares His very SELF with His Church, which is His Body (Col. 1:18).

THAT is why His Church always WAS and IS the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23) and the pillar and foundation of TRUTH (1 Tim. 3:15) - which is Christ Himself (John 14:6).
And that's the truth that I've been defending for 17+ years online . . .

And Saul thought he was defending the true church, the pillar and foundation of truth. Of course it wouldn't enter your mind that you also are deceived and maybe defending a counterfeit and persecuting Christ in the body of believers outside your self imposed parameters? Could it be that it is Christ Himself speaking to you through His servants telling you that you are persecuting Him but you are refusing the light?

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

Backlit said:
And Saul thought he was defending the true church, the pillar and foundation of truth. Of course it wouldn't enter your mind that you also are deceived and maybe defending a counterfeit and persecuting Christ in the body of believers outside your self imposed parameters? Could it be that it is Christ Himself speaking to you through His servants telling you that you are persecuting Him but you are refusing the light?

there’s no scales like puritanical fundamentalist Protestant scales

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

Scales of spiritual blindness to see the holy church and Christ are one and necessary for salvation

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

David H. said:
Perfect display of the Nicolaitan mindset here. "let the church leaders teach you, you are not worthy to learn from the Holy Spirit yourself" Or "Divine revelation is only for the priestly class".... I have heard it all from all sides, whether Protestant or Catholic and every cult in the world. It is nothing more than a tool of manipulation.... Mystical manipulation at that... read link.
Eight Ways to Identify Religious Brainwashing: Mystical Manipulation (Part 2 of 8) | Liberty for Captives

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12)

Like I said - YOUR perversionas are based n YOUR misapplication and misdirection whe it comes to Scripture.

I can't MAKE you understand what Christ's Church is and what HE built it to be - NOR, can I ake you understand it complete earthly Authority.
ALL I can do is to point you to the Scriptures and to the Early Church. Christ left His Church in charge for a reason - and 1500 years later, we saw the fruits of rebellion against His Authority. Now, there is mass confision and perpetual-splintering among the Rebels.

Your ideas about the Church are about as wacky as they come around here - and this place is a FOUNTAIN of wackiness . . .

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
Like I said - YOUR perversionas are based n YOUR misapplication and misdirection whe it comes to Scripture.

I can't MAKE you understand what Christ's Church is and what HE built it to be - NOR, can I ake you understand it complete earthly Authority.
ALL I can do is to point you to the Scriptures and to the Early Church. Christ left His Church in charge for a reason - and 1500 years later, we saw the fruits of rebellion against His Authority. Now, there is mass confision and perpetual-splintering among the Rebels.

Your ideas about the Church are about as wacky as they come around here - and this place is a FOUNTAIN of wackiness . . .

Jn 10:16 one fold one church

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

Backlit said:
And Saul thought he was defending the true church, the pillar and foundation of truth. Of course it wouldn't enter your mind that you also are deceived and maybe defending a counterfeit and persecuting Christ in the body of believers outside your self imposed parameters? Could it be that it is Christ Himself speaking to you through His servants telling you that you are persecuting Him but you are refusing the light?

NOT sure what you're talking about - but Saul was bent on destroying the Church - NOT defending it. But that same man, who later wrote under the inspuiration of the Holy Spirit called Chriat's CHURCH, the "Pillar and foundatin of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). I'm not "deceived" about that.

Jesus built HIS Church 2000 years ago - not 500 years ago or 50 years ago ot last month. I belong to that 2000 year old Body that HE built, was spread by the Apostles, persecuted under apostate Jerusalem and pagan Rome and exists today as the Catholic Church.

BreadOfLife · Jan 17, 2021

Renniks said:
This is about reward, not teaching that some sins are deadly and some not. Some sins can possibly lead to unbelief if never dealt with. But it's not those sins that damn a person but his unbelief.

That's the problem with anti-Catholics. You guys actually believe that verses like 1 John 5:16-17 and Matt. 5:19 were written in a vacuum and are not related to ANY other verses.

The Holy Spirit used MANY writers to convey the Gospel message and we glean a clearer understanding when we see the cross-referencing of multiple verses. The Scriptures are clear that NOT all sins are equal - and they don't have the same consequences, as I have shown you.
Matt. 12:32 is another example of where sin is differentiated.
Matt. 12:32
And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Here, Jesus implies that there ARE some sins that can be forgiven in the next life and some that cannot.
Again - the Church simply applied the terms "Mortal" and "Venial" to a Biblical truth, just as she did with the "Trinity".

Brakelite · Jan 17, 2021

In observing the Catholic boldness in this thread in support of church sponsored and church initiated state persecution of "heretics" who else is beginning to see and understand the near future growth in church power and influence with the resulting maturation of the harlot, in league with the Kings of the earth,
KJV Revelation 17:3, 6
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman,(the church) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, ( the state) full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

KJV Revelation 17:14
14 These (the Kings) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV Revelation 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, (Rome) which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

theefaith · Jan 17, 2021

Backlit said:
In observing the Catholic boldness in this thread in support of church sponsored and church initiated state persecution of "heretics" who else is beginning to see and understand the near future growth in church power and influence with the resulting maturation of the harlot, in league with the Kings of the earth,
KJV Revelation 17:3, 6
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman,(the church) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, ( the state) full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

KJV Revelation 17:14
14 These (the Kings) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV Revelation 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, (Rome) which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

only puritanical fundamentalists

Brakelite · Jan 17, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
NOT sure what you're talking about - but Saul was bent on destroying the Church - NOT defending it.

Indeed he did. Just like the Jesuits who are seeking to destroy Protestantism.

BreadOfLife said:
But that same man, who later wrote under the inspuiration of the Holy Spirit called Chriat's CHURCH, the "Pillar and foundatin of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). I'm not "deceived" about that.

True. I believe scripture BoL. It's Catholics who prefer tradition over scripture remember? So while you may accept that Christ's church is the pillar and foundation of truth, like I said to Mary, that is wholly conditional that the church is still connected to the source of that truth. Israel had fallen into apostasy and murdered Christ. They were no longer the pillar and foundation of truth, that baton passed into another that would show forth the fruits.
The church in the dark ages fell into apostasy and murdered Christ in the person of His followers. She was no longer the pillar and foundation of truth, but is fallen, fallen, that great city, because she made all Nations to drink the wine of the wrath off her fornication. The baton of truth has passed on to others to bring forth the fruits thereof.

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