CharismaticLady
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I think you are confused. JW's do not pray that God will kill Christians. Maybe you are thinking of Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, and the Quran tells them to kill all infidels.
Are Jehovah’s Witness Christians?
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I think you are confused. JW's do not pray that God will kill Christians. Maybe you are thinking of Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, and the Quran tells them to kill all infidels.
Actually, this is the bible:
Acts 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
I would suggest that if you are a disciple of Christ, you are a Christian, per the bible. What if your belief in the nature of Jesus is different than other Christians? Join the club, there are hundreds of different beliefs in the nature of Jesus. They cannot all be true. So how does God handle this?
If you are a disciple of Jesus, you are doing what Jesus commanded. If you do what Jesus commanded you are bringing fruit into the kingdom of God and that is a good thing and God will love you for it.
And here is the point. He can teach you of his true nature in 2 minutes, but if you are a non-disciple, he will not talk to you and you will never know his true nature. So be a good disciple, whether you are a scholar or not. The apostles were not even close to being scholars.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Beliefs
The religious beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses are in some ways similar to those of orthodox Christians, but in other ways they are quite different. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses believe in one God, the authority of the Bible (i.e. The New World Translation), and they emphasize the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in their teachings. (Learn more about The New World Translation.)
Yet the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses differ from mainstream Christianity as well. Most notably they reject the doctrine of the Trinity and the existence of Hell. Witnesses also have stronger apocalyptic expectations than most Christians. Since the founding of the group, Witnesses have been expecting the imminent arrival of Armageddon and the end times.
The following article summarizes the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses, noting where they agree and disagree with mainstream Christian doctrines.
Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses
In agreement with most orthodox Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses affirm the full inspiration of the Bible by God and the preservation of its copies over the centuries. Witnesses see the Bible as a gift from God that tells humans about what God is like, how to cope with problems, and how to please God. [1] Witnesses use a special translation of the Bible - The New World Translation, which sometimes translates key passages, such as those about the nature of Jesus Christ, differently than other reputable English-language Bible translations. (Compare John 1:1-3 and Philippians 2:5-8 in the New World Translation and the King James Version or the New International Version.)
God in Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in one God, the Creator of the universe and the God of the Hebrew and Christian scriptures. They stress the fact that God has revealed his personal name to humanity, which is Jehovah. Jehovah has a spirit body and lives in heaven, but sees all things. Jehovah's Witnesses reject the doctrine of the Trinity. [2]
Jesus Christ in Jehovah's Witnesses belief
Jehovah's Witnesses disagree with the mainstream Christian belief that Jesus was "fully God, fully man." Witnesses teach that Jesus was not God, but rather God's first creation. Jesus existed in pre-human form as God's agent of creation and God's chief spokesman (the Word), and took on human form as the man Jesus by means of a virgin birth. (See Jesus Christ in Christianity)
The purpose of Jesus' incarnation on earth was threefold in the view of Witnesses: (1) To teach the truth about God; (2) to provide a model of a perfect life for people to follow; and (3) to sacrifice his life to set humans free from sin and death. His crucifixion was not on a cross, but a single upright stake. After his death, God raised Jesus from the dead "as a spirit creature" and Jesus returned to his home in heaven. Jesus was not made King, however, until 1914. [3]
The Holy Spirit according to Jehovah's Witnesses
In accordance with their rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity, Witnesses disagree with mainstream Christianity that the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the Godhead. Instead, they believe the Holy Spirit to be "God's active force." [4] (See the Holy Spirit in Christianit
Witnesses believe that Jehova is going to kill all non Jehovas. Simple as that
This makes Jehovah Satan in my view.
Wow, so you are talking for all Christians?
I am a Christian, and I believe that there is a God the Father, who is distinct, and is not God the Son, who is also distinct and is not God the Holy Spirit, and God the Holy Spirit, but They are God.
What do forum members believe about God the Father and God the Son/Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit?
Do you all believe what Alvertsky says? If not tell us what you believe.
Correct!
No!
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
The mystery of the Trinity is not modalism or pantheism.
that is the very bases for being a christian . we in reality dont have the authority to judge in that manner. we can only speculate . i do question if they truly are.that is as far as i can go
Are you one of the Anointed? | Jehovah's Witnesses (avoidjw.org)
So are you one of the 144,000 kings that will survive Jehova killing everyone
Or are you a Christian that does not believe that nonsense
JW's believe that Jehova is going to kill every human on the Earth except for 144,000 Jw's.
This is nothing short of Satanism
Mosheli
Active Member
They quite obviously have some beliefs which don't match the bible (some examples below). But I don't think this is an easy question when it comes to each and every individual JW.
JWs do believe in Jehovah, and that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, and they believe in the importance of the scriptures/bible. But they don't believe that Jesus is God the Son. And they believe Jesus only rose as a spirit being, which is contrary to what the bible says.
There may be some genuine believers in JW's. But I suspect that the leadership is not genuine. People can claim to be followers of "Jesus/Christ" but they may not really be (their "Jesus/Christ" might not be the one of the bible). On page 101 of 'What Can the Bible teach us?" there is a woman dressed in scarlet holding up the Watchtower and Awake in her right hand.... (Does a woman in scarlet sound familiar?) They also seem more like a movement for globalism.
I couldn't join them myself because there are a number of beliefs that have which don't seem to match the bible.
Most of what they say in "Good News from God" I had no problem with. But there were a small number of things that don't agree with my impression of what the bible says.
Some of the main differences I noticed in "Good News From God":
- Jesus is not God the Son, only a created being/angel.
- Jesus only rose as a spirit being.
- They don't believe christians should be involved in war or politics.
- Replacement theology. Christian church replaces Israel. A group of "holy ones" and "little flock" and 144000 are specially chosen believers/JWs.
- No hell or lake of fire. Nonbelievers are annihilated. "We are not spirits living in a body of flesh".
- God's Kingdom began in 1914.
- They don't seem to be very pro deliverance and healing, they just seem to accept the bad things we suffer in this life and only look forward to the millenium when we will not suffer things anymore.
"John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone who doesn't follow us casting out demons in your name; and we forbade him, because he doesn't follow us." But Jesus said, "Don't forbid him, for there is no one who will do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me. For whoever is not against us is on our side. For whoever will give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you are Christ's, most certainly I tell you, he will in no way lose his reward. Whoever will cause one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if he was thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around his neck."
JWs do believe in Jehovah, and that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, and they believe in the importance of the scriptures/bible. But they don't believe that Jesus is God the Son. And they believe Jesus only rose as a spirit being, which is contrary to what the bible says.
There may be some genuine believers in JW's. But I suspect that the leadership is not genuine. People can claim to be followers of "Jesus/Christ" but they may not really be (their "Jesus/Christ" might not be the one of the bible). On page 101 of 'What Can the Bible teach us?" there is a woman dressed in scarlet holding up the Watchtower and Awake in her right hand.... (Does a woman in scarlet sound familiar?) They also seem more like a movement for globalism.
I couldn't join them myself because there are a number of beliefs that have which don't seem to match the bible.
Most of what they say in "Good News from God" I had no problem with. But there were a small number of things that don't agree with my impression of what the bible says.
Some of the main differences I noticed in "Good News From God":
- Jesus is not God the Son, only a created being/angel.
- Jesus only rose as a spirit being.
- They don't believe christians should be involved in war or politics.
- Replacement theology. Christian church replaces Israel. A group of "holy ones" and "little flock" and 144000 are specially chosen believers/JWs.
- No hell or lake of fire. Nonbelievers are annihilated. "We are not spirits living in a body of flesh".
- God's Kingdom began in 1914.
- They don't seem to be very pro deliverance and healing, they just seem to accept the bad things we suffer in this life and only look forward to the millenium when we will not suffer things anymore.
"John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone who doesn't follow us casting out demons in your name; and we forbade him, because he doesn't follow us." But Jesus said, "Don't forbid him, for there is no one who will do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me. For whoever is not against us is on our side. For whoever will give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you are Christ's, most certainly I tell you, he will in no way lose his reward. Whoever will cause one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if he was thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around his neck."
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GOD THE FATHER IS NEITHER THE SON NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE SON IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON
There is ONE GOD eternally existent as three distinct divine persons -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word,[the Son] and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)
JWs reject (1) the deity of Christ, and (2) the Holy Trinity. Therefore they are a heterodox cult. Beware of all cults which reject these fundamental doctrines. And no one can be saved unless they genuinely believe that Jesus is God.
The New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses in John 1:1 is sufficient proof to show that they are NOT Christians:
KING JAMES BIBLE
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NEW WORLD TRANSLATION
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
This would suggest that there are other gods in the universe, and Jesus was one of them. But we know that all false gods are demons. Which means that this is a doctrine of demons.
Then they could not remain ad JWs. Those who came out of this cult stayed OUT OF IT.
If JW's did not call themselves Christians I would not care what they believed. However when they call themselves Christians they mock the other 2.2 billion real Christians
Mosheli
Active Member
Yes. But where are they going to come out to since I don't see many genuine christian churches around that haven't been secretly hijacked by Babylon/Rome. Revelation calls out to all christians & churches to come out of her (Babylon/Rome).
read there Bible .i have had conversations with them .they are deceived its based on works
The odd thing is that there are 8,300,000 JW's in the World and that only 144,000 are going to be saved by Jehovah, this means that Jehovah is going to kill 8,156,000 JW's along with all the rest of us. Gonna be a real stinky World after that
Prayer Warrior
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Jesus said to His disciples that if they had seen Him, they had seen the Father. It matters that what He said was the truth.
Jehovah’s Witnesses wrote their own edition of the Bible to suit their unbiblical beliefs. This is similar to the Mormons giving their unbiblical beliefs in the Book of Mormon more weight than the truths in the Bible.
Who’s to say whether a JW has received the real Jesus as his/her Savior. It’s possible that some have, but their organization does not believe in the real Jesus, who is God incarnate.
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