If Adam and Eve had not eaten from the tree of knowledge, how could they know it was wrong to do so

Sabertooth · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So if God knew what they would do, then he put the tree there so he could give them the boot.

If you cannot consider a different paradigm, this will never be resolved for you.
Why do you identify as "Christian," if you haven't made a provisional peace with this?

Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

101G said:
error, a teacher don't test their student to see if they, the teacher know... not they test to see if the student know.

and if they fail, have a plan as Sabertooth said, long term tutoring ........ YIKES!

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Teachers do not make their students, so in the case of God if his creation failed then he made a mistake

Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Sabertooth said:
If you cannot consider a different paradigm, this will never be resolved for you.
Why do you identify as "Christian," if you haven't made a provisional peace with this?

Because God gave me the will to learn and the curiosity to ask

Hidden In Him · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So if God knew what they would do, then he put the tree there so he could give them the boot.

Not very nice

LoL. It was a lesson in learning obedience to Him, as I was saying.

They would be expelled from Paradise and in another 1,000 years they would indeed die just as He warned they would. But scripture says Christ Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world, which means the Lord planned a way to redeem man from these things from the start and restore him to Paradise and give him eternal life, where he would never die again.

But again, as in the beginning, it would all hinge upon who He chose to obey.

Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
LoL. It was a lesson in learning obedience to Him, as I was saying.

They would be expelled from Paradise and in another 1,000 years they would indeed die just as He warned they would. But scripture says Christ Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world, which means the Lord planned a way to redeem man from these things from the start and restore him to Paradise and give him eternal life, where he would never die again.

But again, as in the beginning, it would all hinge upon who He chose to obey.

Why did God not know what the creatures that he created would do? Seems that God was not testing them but his own ability to make stuff that would pay attention

After all all their thoughts and aspirations and even faults were made by God

Hidden In Him · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
Why did God not know what the creatures that he created would do?

You are referring to the serpent? Satan was impersonating a creature in the garden. It was not a real snake.

Or are you referring to Adam and Eve again?

101G · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So if God knew what they would do, then he put the tree there purposely so he could give them the boot.

Not very nice

the school of hard knock is sometimes needed for the HARDHEAD.... better known as TOUGH LOVE, Genesis 3:19 (kjv)

and that long term tutoring program..... Hebrews 12:2. and we will graduate with honors..... or the equivalent... the GED,

YIKES! but we will graduate

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Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
You are referring to the serpent? Satan was impersonating a creature in the garden. It was not a real snake.

No I was not referring to that. However didn't God also make Satan?

101G · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
Why did God not know what the creatures that he created would do? Seems that God was not testing them but his own ability to make stuff that would pay attention

After all all their thoughts and aspirations and even faults were made by God

God never Fails, did you not read GOD REPAIR manual? Sabertooth gave it to YOU.

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Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

101G said:
God never Fails, did you not read GOD REPAIR manual? Sabertooth gave it to YOU.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

If God did not fail, then Adam and Eve would never have made a mistake

Hidden In Him · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
No I was not referring to that.

If you were referring to Adam and Eve again, that question has already been answered a couple of times.

Faithsong said:
However didn't God also make Satan?

He made the angel Lucifer both beautiful and holy. But because angels and men have free will, Lucifer chose to rebel against Him, and in doing so he turned to evil and became Satan.

That's a different thing than saying "God created Satan."

101G · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
Teachers do not make their students, so in the case of God if his creation failed then he made a mistake

ERROR again, they do, why do you think they are called teachers. A teacher (also called a school teacher or, in some contexts, an educator) is a person who helps students to acquire knowledge, competence or virtue.

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Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
If you were referring to Adam and Eve again, that question has already been answered a couple of times.

He made the angel Lucifer both beautiful and holy. But because angels and men have free will, Lucifer chose to rebel against Him, and in doing so he turned to evil and became Satan.

That's a different thing than saying "God created Satan."

So God created Hitlers free will.

Mistake

Clearly

Sabertooth · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
Because God gave me the will to learn and the curiosity to ask

"Christian" means "devoted to Christ," literally and originally "Christ's slave." It presumes humility & trust (in Him), even when we don't understand.

Your original position (wrongly) assumes

that God dropped the ball by giving us access to the KOGE tree (making Him incompetent) or
that He deliberately tripped us up (making Him malicious).

You will consider no other possibilities and make yourself into a de facto judge over Him. That arrogance contradicts the necessary trust & humility required to be a Christian.

"The Lord’s curse is on the house of the wicked,
but he blesses the home of the righteous.
He mocks proud mockers
but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.
The wise inherit honor,
but fools get only shame." Proverbs 3:33-35 NIV

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6 NKJV

Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Sabertooth said:
"Christian" means "devoted to Christ," literally and originally "Christ's slave." It presumes humility & trust (in Him), even when we don't understand.

Your original position (wrongly) assumes

that God dropped the ball giving us access to the KOGE tree (making Him incompetent) or

that He deliberately tripped us up (making Him malicious).

You will consider no other possibilities and make yourself into a de facto judge over Him. That arrogance contradicts the necessary trust & humility required to be a Christian.

"The Lord’s curse is on the house of the wicked,
but he blesses the home of the righteous.
He mocks proud mockers
but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.
The wise inherit honor,
but fools get only shame." Proverbs 3:33-35 NIV

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6 NKJV

So God created slaves?

I had no idea

Hidden In Him · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So God created Hitlers free will.

Mistake

Clearly

Ha Ha!!

At this point let me ask you a question: By asking these things, are you truly wanting to understand God, or are you having real issues with Him doing things the way He did?

The latter might be the bigger issue.

Faithsong · Jan 18, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Ha Ha!!

At this point let me ask you a question: By asking these things, are you truly wanting to understand God, or are you having real issues with Him doing things the way He did?

The latter might be the bigger issue.

It was said that God created free will, and free will allows for rape, murder and drug use which is destroying creation.

Since God knew this because he knows everything, why create free will?

Hidden In Him · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
It was said that God created free will, and free will allows for rape, murder and drug use which is destroying creation.

Since God knew this because he knows everything, why create free will?

Because it all gets restored for those who choose Him over the Devil, as I stated.

So let me ask again, since you seem to be ignoring the responses you're getting: By asking these things, are you truly wanting to understand God, or are you having real issues with Him doing things the way He did?

The latter might be the bigger issue.

Sabertooth · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So God created slaves?

I had no idea

Are you trying to get us to conclude that He is mean and/or stupid...?

The Lord is Good, Maranatha! Singers (1982)

Psalms 34:8

101G · Jan 18, 2021

Faithsong said:
So God created Hitlers free will.

Mistake

Clearly

all things are created for Good, it's man's lack of God's wisdom to control EVIL, or overcome it. example, an airplane is made for good. to get people from point A to B where it's a LONG distance, in a short time. but evil thinking of men place a bomb on the invention to drop on those who he dislike to kill. a good invention by man has ues for no good. it's not God fault, but man's lack of God's wisdom to control, or overcomr the evil thoughts of our bottomless pit... our MINDS... is the problem, we don't have foresight. scriptures, Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

it's what you do with your knowledge, use it in God's wisdom for Good, or for evil with no truth or "foundation". for a human mind without Foundations...... "TRUTH" is a bottomless pit/of evil imaginations. no reguard for the LAW of TRUTH.

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