Hebrews 10:26-31

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I do! Amen!


Yes, what you say there is responsibility as we are accountable of our actions. That is not quite the same with intentional or unintentional acts of sin, and not quite the same with sinful acts out of ignorance.

So are you saying you don’t believe there is such a thing as unintentional sin? But I think you believe there is. Now, is an unintentional sin a willful sin? How about sin done in ignorance do you believe there is such a thing? Are you in the belief that innocent children don’t commit sinful acts?

Among Christians, some are babes in the faith, some quite mature, some more mature, some have strong faith, some have weak faith, the point being is that Christians do not have the same situation, even while they have the same Holy Spirit that dwells in them. While they all have power to overcome sin, those differences affects their will in overcoming sin. That while they are not willing to do something sinful, they are easily forced to compromise and sin, especially when it’s a matter of life and death. Some find themselves forced to lie to save their innocent children from harm for example. Some babes in the faith commits sin out of ignorance or lack of knowledge. Such sins are either forced or unintentional or out of ignorance.

Are you not still in your sinful flesh, were sin dwells? Paul wrote something like this:

Romans 7:16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me......21...22....23....24....


Paul, the apostle that he is, admits being guilty of sin, sin that he says he does not will to do and he says is not him who does it, but sin that dwells in him is the one who does it.

Perhaps this somehow addressed your post.

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This goes a long way in addressing my post, thank you! We're a lot on the same page here, I think.

One thing to make clear is that I'm trying to focus on what I see to be the theological truths, for instance, that all sin can be avoided, therefore, any sin committed shows a failure to avoid it, therefore, all sin is willful.

If I speak in terms of our experience with sin, and how life can look to me, well, take for instance, when I realize I've just yelled at my wife, the poor thing! One could say, those words, that tone, it just got away from me, I didn't mean to yell at her, but look, that's just what I did!

One could say, it was unintentional, I didn't mean it, I didn't choose to yell at her, it just happened.

But while the experience bespeaks of unintentional sin, the reality, as I understand it, is that had I walked into that encounter with my wife with the choice made to remain loving and gentle and kind, I may not have acted that way.

Had I gone into it with my mind set on Christ, with my heart centered on His love, I'd have found all the love I needed to share with her.

Had I been intentioned to watch my words, to control my tone, by the power of the Holy Spirit, I would have.

Maybe the flesh mind started screaming with impatience. Maybe the flesh mind started feeling angry. The the Mind of Christ has power of the mind of the flesh, if I only choose to use it.

Does this help explain my thinking better?

Much love!
 
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The Holy Spirit will never testify that Jesus isn't God.

What testimony of the Holy Spirit have I not received?
The one that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God just as it is written, ann that all those bricks you continue to harp on about have noting to do with ones salvation, just detracting from your own, no one has to believe you, only Him
 

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your dreaming sins................................
You're right; there is no scripture (that I am aware of) that speaks on the issue; you can take it or leave it: it is based on experience in the fact that the Holy Spirit has convicted me of the fact that such things are indeed sins.

It is based on the fact that Jesus said that if you are angry with your brother without a cause it is the same as murder; and if you lust after a woman in your heart you are guilty of adultery.

I think that lust and unrighteous anger are things that are beyond our control to a certain extent (as we become sanctified we begin to have greater control over such things) and therefore they cannot be defined as willful sins. It is acting on lust and unrighteous anger that can be defined as willful sins.
 

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The one that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God just as it is written, ann that all those bricks you continue to harp on about have noting to do with ones salvation, just detracting from your own, no one has to believe you, only Him
That's right you need to believe Him...He said that the scriptures testify of Him (John 5:39-40)...and the scriptures testify that He said you will die in your sins unless you believe that He is the great I AM (John 8:24). Therefore, in rejecting as a doctrine His Deity, it becomes evident that you are unwilling to come to Him that you might have life.

The fact that I believe His words does not detract from my salvation; but the fact that you do not believe them does detract from yours.
 
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That could be a “ Promise “—- not a threat!
Yes, 1 John 3:9 is a promise.

9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

So if you are still purposely and deliberately continuing to sin you show that you do not have the promise! That has nothing to do with seeing "everything through a 'lens' of the law", as you say.
 
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You're right; there is no scripture (that I am aware of) that speaks on the issue; you can take it or leave it: it is based on experience in the fact that the Holy Spirit has convicted me of the fact that such things are indeed sins.

It is based on the fact that Jesus said that if you are angry with your brother without a cause it is the same as murder; and if you lust after a woman in your heart you are guilty of adultery.

I think that lust and unrighteous anger are things that are beyond our control to a certain extent (as we become sanctified we begin to have greater control over such things) and therefore they cannot be defined as willful sins. It is acting on lust and unrighteous anger that can be defined as willful sins.
you go right ahead and base your beliefs upon your human experience and I will continue to base my beliefs upon the everlasting Word of God.

That is the difference between you and I.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Hebrews 6:4-8
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

Hebrew 10:26-31

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Who wrote this?
Who was it written to?
And why?

Who wrote Hebrews? I believe the jury is out on who wrote it. Some say Paul.

To whom was it written? (Hope you don't mind the grammar correction, lol.) You only have to read the first chapter of Hebrews to see that this book was written to Christians.

Hebrews 1--God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

Jesus was "appointed heir of all things," and as Christians, we are co-heirs with Christ. Our Lord Jesus, who "upholds all things by the word of His power" is "the exact representation of His [God's] nature...." Jesus IS God; He is our God and Lord. Jesus "made purification of [our] sins...." All of this applies to Christians.

Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter. Surely this applies to those who have faith in Jesus Christ--Christians.

Why was Hebrews written? It was written for the same reason the rest of the Bible was written.

2 Tim 3:16-- All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
 

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you go right ahead and base your beliefs upon your human experience and I will continue to base my beliefs upon the everlasting Word of God.

That is the difference between you and I.

hope this helps !!!

I suppose that you will apply this principle to your interpretation of 1 John 3:9 also?

Because if you don't, frankly, you're a hypocrite.

I know that I base my interpretation of 1 John 3:9 on the word rather than my experience.

I don't say, "I want to believe that I am saved, and I am a sinner; therefore 1 John 3:9 cannot be saying what it means, that the one who is born of God (saved) cannot sin (is not a sinner)."

I say, "1 John 3:9 teaches that the one who is born of God cannot sin; therefore, if I am a sinner, I must not be born of God."

How about you?

(the first interpretation is based on human experience, and the latter interpretation is based in the word of the Lord alone.)
 

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The book of Hebrews is probably one of the most misunderstood books in the NT. That is ironic because it is quoted very often. This book stands alone as having the most mysteries and secrets. And we know a lot of Christians do not like that sort of thing. Hebrews is well written and contains a lot of very straightforward scriptures. The concepts that are presented here are not given in vague or short verses. Very well defined. But scholars see it as enigmatic and many do not agree on its meaning, even though the scholars and commentators heap praise on its composure, structure, and literary style. But still find it difficult to explain, mostly because it does not always agree with general Christian theology and there is new information presented here that is not thoroughly explained and some of it is even not warmly received by some Christians. One of the reasons maybe because as the author defines, what he is presenting is advanced, not the milk level of understanding presented in most of the rest of the NT but the meat and or enlightenment. And then it has its uniquenesses…..

1. Although the book is entitled Hebrews…the words Hebrew or Jew does not appear in the book.

2. Hebrews is the only book in the NT that defines Christ as a High Priest.


3. Hebrews goes on to point out that Christ is not a Jewish High Priest.

4. Then Hebrews says that He was designated by God as a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. Now the Order of Melchizedek is not something that we track through the Bible or history. So the history and type of order that this is, can only be speculated on.

5. Hebrews 5:9 says that Christ, having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation… Some have issues with salvation being dependent on obedience.

6. Hebrews says that Christ, When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High 1:3 or described as taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens 8:1 which is also reiterated in Mark 16:19…Then there is 9:24 and 10:9 and 12:2 these verses defines a hierarchy between Him and His Father and also conflicts with the “One God” formula of the Trinity. As in two persons sitting in different seats. Then Hebrews says, that God appointed His Son as heir to all things, again two persons, one person appointing and one appointed. Then there is the whole Father begetting Son thing which defines two persons and then Christ being appointed by His Father and designated by His Father which is between two persons which goes along with a good part of the Gospels that tells the story of these two beings and their relationship and their communication with each other. Of course mostly it is matter of humor for me that people think that the Trinity…three…are one God.

7. Now Hebrews has a few verses that is presented in such a manner that you might think they are from the OT, for example 5:5 Thou ART MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTN THEE…is not in the OT. Then in 2:6-8 it actually says, “But one has testified somewhere saying…and of course this is not in the OT. You can also look at 2:13, 3:11, 4:3, 10:37 and 38, etc and it appears that Hebrews is paraphrasing…

8. Hebrew 5:12-6:1-3 Is a very interesting set of scriptures….

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washing, and lay on of hands and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. And this we shall do, if God permits.


This set of scriptures seem to imply that the writer of Hebrews wants to address the more advanced understanding of Christianity and the next topic is one of the two stern warnings in Hebrew.

9. Hebrews 7:3 Referring to Melchizedek…Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he abides as a priest perpetually….No matter how you cut it, this verse elevate Melchizedek to a level that appear to be divine in someway or an immortal with a direct connection with God.

10. Hebrews 7:13-17 Make it clear that Christ was not a Jewish High Priest but rather a Priest according to the Order of Melchizedek.


11. The author of Hebrews agrees with Paul’s teaching that the Old Covenant was not without fault and Christ guaranteed a better Covenant and the New Covenant made the Old Covenant obsolete and disappear…7:22, 8:6-13

12. The phrase “dead works” is a reference to adherence to the Mosaic Law.

13. The last part of the book is a clue to the mystery, it frames the instances of faith in detail and this as they say is the keystone.

Then we address the part of the book that issues stern warnings.

Hebrews 6:4-8
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

Hebrew 10:26-31
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Now these two sets of scriptures go along with the following scriptures and I can reference more.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


This is a clear set of scriptures, that are in context, and are not vague short statements. No if’s and’s or but’s or redemptions. lol But they do not agree with much of the theology of Christianity. People rush in and want to do damage control because of that. Instead!!! Instead they should rush in and try to figure how these scriptures can be 100% correct and still be in harmony with the rest of the Bible.

It is an exciting Book, and in some ways unequaled. It does present advanced Christian thoughts. It does present mysteries and there are secrets as in information that is no presented clearly else where in the Bible. You can figure it out if you work hard enough at it. The question is; Are you going to apply your mind to it enough to do it and do you care enough to do it. You will learn so much along the way. (I am going to have to review this because of the time I had to put it together…enjoy!)
 
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Who wrote Hebrews? I believe the jury is out on who wrote it. Some say Paul.

To whom was it written? (Hope you don't mind the grammar correction, lol.) You only have to read the first chapter of Hebrews to see that this book was written to Christians.

Hebrews 1--God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

Jesus was "appointed heir of all things," and as Christians, we are co-heirs with Christ. Our Lord Jesus, who "upholds all things by the word of His power" is "the exact representation of His [God's] nature...." Jesus IS God; He is our God and Lord. Jesus "made purification of [our] sins...." All of this applies to Christians.

Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter. Surely this applies to those who have faith in Jesus Christ--Christians.

Why was Hebrews written? It was written for the same reason the rest of the Bible was written.

2 Tim 3:16-- All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Grammar....I bow to the grammar teacher...
 
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Now the Order of Melchizedek is not something that we track through the Bible or history.

Actually, Melchizedec is mentioned in Genesis 14:18-24 and his priesthood is mentioned in Psalms 110:4.

6. Hebrews says that Christ, When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High 1:3 or described as taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens 8:1 which is also reiterated in Mark 16:19…Then there is 9:24 and 10:9 and 12:2 these verses defines a hierarchy between Him and His Father and also conflicts with the “One God” formula of the Trinity. As in two persons sitting in different seats. Then Hebrews says, that God appointed His Son as heir to all things, again two persons, one person appointing and one appointed. Then there is the whole Father begetting Son thing which defines two persons and then Christ being appointed by His Father and designated by His Father which is between two persons which goes along with a good part of the Gospels that tells the story of these two beings and their relationship and their communication with each other. Of course mostly it is matter of humor for me that people think that the Trinity…three…are one God.

For a proving of the Oneness of the Lord in holy scripture, go to posts #1-#6 of the following thread:

True Trinity.

Now Hebrews has a few verses that is presented in such a manner that you might think they are from the OT, for example 5:5 Thou ART MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTN THEE…is not in the OT.

Actually, it is right there in Psalms 2:7.

Then in 2:6-8 it actually says, “But one has testified somewhere saying…and of course this is not in the OT.

That one is found in Psalms 8:4.

11. The author of Hebrews agrees with Paul’s teaching that the Old Covenant was not without fault and Christ guaranteed a better Covenant and the New Covenant made the Old Covenant obsolete and disappear…7:22, 8:6-13

However, it should be clear that the law is not done away with; because in the New Covenant, the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers.
 
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Now the Order of Melchizedek is not something that we track through the Bible or history.
Actually, Melchizedec is mentioned in Genesis 14:18-24 and his priesthood is mentioned in Psalms 110:4.
Appearing as blips on the radar of the OT is not tracking the organization. What all do you know of the Order of Melchizedek?

For proof that the Trinity is three distinct persons...Gods...see Grailhunter's Corner.

Now Hebrews has a few verses that is presented in such a manner that you might think they are from the OT, for example 5:5 Thou ART MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTN THEE…is not in the OT.
Actually, it is right there in Psalms 2:7.

This one we can go scripture by scripture...

Then in 2:6-8 it actually says, “But one has testified somewhere saying…and of course this is not in the OT.
That one is found in Psalms 8:4.

psalms 8:4 Or what is a human being that you are mindful of him, / a son of man that you care for him?

11. The author of Hebrews agrees with Paul’s teaching that the Old Covenant was not without fault and Christ guaranteed a better Covenant and the New Covenant made the Old Covenant obsolete and disappear…7:22, 8:6-13

However, it should be clear that the law is not done away with; because in the New Covenant, the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers.

The scriptures will prove you wrong on this over and over again. We are not under the Law of Moses...
 

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but the fact that you do not believe them does detract from yours.
One day when you look up and see Jesus, you will discover He isnt a book, is that all you can do is tear down,, He is there if you want Him and He is there if you dont, but He doesnt live in books or churches, And no I cannot agree with you id have to turn my back on Jesus to make you happy, and I wont, so get over it. Its your delusion.
 

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For proof that the Trinity is three distinct persons...Gods...see Grailhunter's Corner.

No one is denying that God is Triune here (except maybe you).

He is one God: even one Spirit, one Lord, and one God.

He became a Man and also did not cease to be a Spirit inhabiting eternity.

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)


posts #1-#6:

True Trinity.

The scriptures will prove you wrong on this over and over again. We are not under the Law of Moses...

Right...we are not under the law in that it no longer has the power to condemn us (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:19, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19).

However, we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) in that it governs us as believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

We no longer relate to the law as being written on tablets of stone, as a condemning taskmaster (see 2 Corinthians 3:3). Now, we relate to the law as a set of wisdom principles to live by (James 1:25).

One day when you look up and see Jesus, you will discover He isn't <fify> a book, is that all you can do is tear down,, He is there if you want Him and He is there if you don't <fify>, but He doesn't <fify> live in books or churches, And no I cannot agree with you I'd <fify> have to turn my back on Jesus to make you happy, and I wont, so get over it. Its your delusion.

This bit:

Jhn 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40, And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
 
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No one is denying that God is Triune here (except maybe you).

He is one God, even one Spirit, one Lord, and one God.

He became a Man and did also did not cease to be a Spirit inhabiting eternity.

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)




Right...we are not under the law in that it no longer has the power to condemn us (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:19, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19).

However, we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) in that it governs us as believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

We no longer relate to the law as being written on tablets of stone, as a condemning taskmaster (see 2 Corinthians 3:3). Now, we relate to the law as a set of wisdom principles to live by (James 1:25).



This bit:

Jhn 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40, And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
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Anyway the Trinity and the Law is not the focus here. We have beaten the topic of the Trinity and the Law to death.

It is the mystery within Hebrews. The stern warnings, why? How do they harmonize with standard Christian theology? If you can call it standard. How does Melchizedek play into this? Christ is an eternal High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, what does that mean? What was Melchizedek? The earliest known name of Christ followers was the Way....why not the Order of Melchizedek? What is the meat of the message of Hebrews? And why is faith the keystone to understanding?

Hebrews has stumped the scholars...go for it!
 

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I'm sorry if there is any confusion . . . I've just finished explaining how it is that I don't believe that you or I sin unknowingly, or without having the opportunity to avoid committing that sin.

Are you saying that you think there are sins which you commit which you don't know about, and have no power over?

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I have already given Paul’s testimony in Romans 7.

Personally, I believe I have at times unknowingly been selfish to my neighbor. And that is sin, for the commandment says, love your neighbor. At other times, perhaps I had not

I believe this is true to all of us, that at some point in our christian life we have unknowingly and unintentionally been selfish, even those who are dear to us. We have no power over those kind of sins.

Many brethren out there who are new in the faith and are still babes in Christ, perhaps knew not that to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. They most likely have unknowingly and so unintentionally sinned in that sense.

Besides, we can read in scriptures about unintentional sins. They exist and they happen and they are no less sin committed by man, and the man who commits them are nonetheless accountable. The mere fact that the writer of Hebrews qualified the sinning as willful points to the existence of such sins.

So, yes.

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Anyway the Trinity and the Law is not the focus here. We have beaten the topic of the Trinity and the Law to death.

It is the mystery within Hebrews. The stern warnings, why? How do they harmonize with standard Christian theology? If you can call it standard. How does Melchizedek play into this? Christ is an eternal High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, what does that mean? What was Melchizedek? The earliest known name of Christ followers was the Way....why not the Order of Melchizedek? What is the meat of the message of Hebrews? And why is faith the keystone to understanding?

Hebrews has stumped the scholars...go for it!

The Melchizedec priesthood, biblically, is simply an alternate priesthood to the priesthood of Levi; because Christ was of the tribe of Judah of which Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

Also, because the priesthood is changed there is also a change of the law (Hebrews 7:12); from being of the letter to that of the spirit (Romans 7:6).

Yes that bit especially that bit, found my life in Him years ago your still stuck in the bible Jesus isnt in there, He lives.

The scriptures testify of Jesus; and you are unwilling to come to Him (the Jesus that the scriptures testify of) that you might have life.

If you had found your life in Him years ago you would not be exhibiting a belief system that, according to Him, you will die in your sins because you believe that way.

You have been deceived by a deceiving spirit (see 1 Timothy 4:1). The true Jesus is the God of the Bible: and you do not believe in Him; you believe in a different Jesus (see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

Maybe He just hasn't revealed Himself to you as God yet. Why don't you ask Him if He is in fact God; and see what He says?

I'd be interested in the answer that you would receive.
 
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In scriptures I can point you to this as an example perhaps.

1 Timothy 1:13
although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

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