Imagine you're God

pittsburghjoe said:

Am I wrong in thinking there could have been a spiritual universe before it turned into the physical one?

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Not at all. I happen to believe that myself.

pittsburghjoe said:

Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked, was it because they became solid flesh?

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I believe you are on the right track. Being naked had to do with their physiological construct.

pittsburghjoe said:

We had a spiritual death ..not a physical one.

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Just be careful about what you consider to be Death.

Remember...

The Lake of Fire is the 'Second Death'...

Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

That means there is only one type of death before that. If our physical death is considered to be the first death, then where does this so called 'Spiritual Death' fit in?

I submit to you that what Christians call 'Spiritual Death' is in fact the Second Death. They just don't realize it yet.

Thus, Adam and his Wife experienced the Second Death.

Welcome to the Forum btw.

pittsburghjoe said:

You need coherent waves to quantum entangle.

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Greetings, Pittsburgh Joe.

Well for starters, if I were God, I don't think I would need the above, because I don't even know what the above means, LoL.

pittsburghjoe said:

How do you think we become orderly again? God's Love is entanglement.

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God's love is entanglement... Ohhh kayyy

pittsburghjoe said:

I thought the reason Jesus stomps on them like grapes is because it won't kill their souls that way.

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And with that, it's been nice talking to you, LoL.

God bless,
- H

Yeah no thanks . SATAN tried to image HE was GOD , didnt work out too well .
I will stick to simply PRAISING GOD . ON that note , TIME FOR HANDS TO GO UP and let those PRAISES FLY TO THE LORD .

pittsburghjoe said:

Is this some kind of joke? I'm asking you to look at reality from God's point of view for three sentences.

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Ok, for starters you need to quote the people you are addressing so we know who you are talking to.

Second, you lead off with some rather bizarre statements, and it keeps getting stranger. You need to reel things in a little, and explain what in the world your terms mean and what you are actually referring to.

pittsburghjoe said:

I'm saying I have scientific evidence of God.

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Ok, well then maybe that would explain why the terminology comes off as strange...

It's an interesting topic for discussion, just not sure how many scientific types we have around here who would take you up on it...

But my apologies for making it seem like I was disregarding you out of hand.

To quote someone, drag your cursor over the sentence you want to quote and then lift. It should blue up, and you will get a little box that says, "Reply." Click that, and it will send it to your reply box. Then answer the person you are quoting.

Welcome to Christianity Board. Not my kind of thing, but there may be others here who can get into it with you.

Base12 said:

The Lake of Fire is the 'Second Death'...

Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

That means there is only one type of death before that. If our physical death is considered to be the first death, then where does this so called 'Spiritual Death' fit in?

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just a thought for consideration
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

if one died for all “then all were dead” (first death?) and “but unto him which died for them, and rose again” that “having passed from death unto Life” on such the second death has no power over them.

Hebrews 2:13-15 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. [14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

pittsburghjoe said:

Imagine you're God, you have infinity to do whatever. You decide you want people that can think for themselves to be in your existence (free will). The only problem is that they can't be corrupted or it screws with your system.

God is perfect order, coherence.

Sin is disorder, decoherence.

God needs us to be orderly to be entangled with him.

You need coherent waves to quantum entangle.

God first created a spiritual world that was coherent. Original sin caused decoherence so now we live in this reality of the fallen.

How do you think we become orderly again? God's Love is entanglement. God could have just forgiven us but we wouldn't be able to entangle with him after this is over. He had to become man to forgive for the disorder.

Am I wrong in thinking there could have been a spiritual universe before it turned into the physical one?
Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked, was it because they became solid flesh?
We had a spiritual death ..not a physical one.

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The Fall was not necessary for us to be free thinkers
Evil is not necessary for Good to exist
if it were, the devil would be necessay for God to exist

This is LDS doctrine
Not Christian doctrine

if I wanted to create people who had the power to break my creation through disobedience
I would tell them that they could so, but it would lead to corruption they would no longer be able to control

I believe God did the same for Adam and Eve.
They choose to experience evil anyway

pittsburghjoe said:

I'm confused on the order of the events. Did God know we were going to fall so he told the Angels he would become man to save them ..and then Satan heard that as a last straw and figured he would trick us and steal our authority at the tree?

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I just posted this in another thread...

I will post my thoughts in case there is something of interest to you or someone here.

The two trees in the Garden of Eden represented two Mothers by which Adam and his Wife could incarnate from.

In other words, Adam and his Wife were being given a choice as to which parent they wished to be birthed from.

I doubt they knew this as the whole story sounds like a set-up.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was, and still is, Mystery Babylon. She is the Earth Mother of the Human Race.

Who was the Father? Satan. Those are the parental DNA we all have right now.

The Forbidden Fruit was the fertilized Ovum... and guess what? We *ALL* partook of it. That is how we got here.

When Jesus uses the phrase "your Father the Devil", it is absolutely, one hundred percent literal, and it pertains to every Human on the planet.

The so called 'Seed of the Serpent' is what Men have between their feet. The Seed of the Woman is the Ovum.

Need more proof? Here...

Revelation 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"

What was in the cup? We are all adults here. Disgusting right?

That is the Forbidden Fruit!!!

It is the fertilized Zygote, waiting for a gullible Spirit and Soul to enter into it. We fell for the trap and here we are.

The Nations are mad because of it... lol.

Jeremiah 51:7
"Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad."

And now Jerusalem represents Mystery Babylon. Why? Because Jerusalem is the CENTER OF THE EARTH where the Temple Body is...







Jesus went to the Heart of the Earth, the Womb, to sprinkle the Blood in the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle Zygote.

Imagine I'm God? No, thank you.
It's hard enough being me! lol

Yahweh the awe-way!

pittsburghjoe said:

Your father is the devil if you are an unbeliever.

God is all possible paths of causality, omnipresent and omniscient. So if everything is part of his plan, then everything works out in the end. This lesson/test we are in probably doesn't have to happen again because we will remember what a bad idea it was. Order restored for infinity?

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I think Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and though I'm not sure, I think it possible that they were Nephilim.
Sinful man is 100% Adam.
Nephilim is Adam/angel.