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Your disagreeing with the facts doesn't change the facts.
But I would say that Adam and Eve had no other command than to not eat of the forbidden tree.
Since sin is the transgression of the commandment (1 John 3:4), there was no other way for them to sin than for them to violate the only commandment that was given to them.
Did God specifically forbid any other action? Not that we have record of. It was the only rule.
Isn't the answer obvious?
Partaking of the Forbidden Fruit had the promise of a great reward attached to it...
Genesis 3:5
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
They wanted to become gods...
1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."
- Pleasant to the Eyes (Lust of the Eyes)
- Good for Food (Lust of the Flesh)
- Make One Wise (Pride of Life)
all I am saying is that their act of defiance was what made them "gods", not the fruit.
Hidden In Him
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Aspen, these were commandments, but they were not ones that carried the sentence of death. If I enter into fellowship with demonic spirits, such as practicing witchcraft or even Satanism, you are telling me that this sin is on the same level with that of deciding not to go to church one Sunday because I would rather stay home?
What purpose do you have theologically in not wishing to differentiate between the severity of sins? Even in the NT there were some sins that the apostles stated were unto death.
That's been debated a long time, hasn't it? Myself, I don't have an opinion either way, I just don't know.
Whatever happened, happened to all of humanity that was within Adam at the time, but even so I could see this either way.
But nature or nurture? The only really clue I can think of is where it David wrote, in sin did my mother conceive me, which would indicate something we are born with. But how exactly did it happen in Adam? I don't know.
Much love!
They only had one Law at that time that would bring judgement if disobeyed.
I am not sure how long people have thought about this...perhaps it has been since the beginning
I do know that it helps me to think of all my sin and disobedience as fruit I am being tempted to eat - it really brings things into focus and helps me focus
I think it is nature and nurture - we are born uncivilized and prone to follow self interest. When we receive unconditional love from our parents as infants, we are psychologically prepared to receive instruction. If love is ambivalent or abuse occurs and needs are not met, infant grow to resent parents and believe they have to raise themselves - these leads to personality issues later in life.
you would have to ignore all the ways Adam and Eve could have chosen to disobey God in order to believe this
You are assuming they could have disobeyed in another way. But that is the only rule given.
something eatable
it doesn't really matter
it is the intent and follow through,
along with the lack of repentance that damned them
Interesting word you chose...
John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
When Adam and his Wife opened their eyes after eating the Forbidden Fruit, I believe it was at that moment that they experienced the Resurrection of Damnation.
In other words, they really did die on that very day just like God said they would. It was not this watered down, meaningless 'Spiritual Death' as is often taught. In other words, they were Twice Dead.
This means that full knowledge of Good and Evil only occurs after physical death.
They were then judged and made to pass through the fire. The Flaming Sword and Cherubim were an Old Testament prophecy of the Lake of Fire.
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