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The Great Tribulation is none other than "the time of Jacob's trouble" tribulation is taken from the word trouble.
There is only one place in the bible where we find the term "Jacob's trouble" although the time of trouble is mentioned several times.

So what does God say about it?
Jeremiah.30 vs. 5
Thus says the Lord, we have heard a cry of panic, of terror and not peace
6. ask now and see can a man bear a child? why then do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labour?
why has every face turned pale?
7. Alas for that day is there is none like it, it is the time of Jacob's trouble BUT
BUT he shall be saved out of it.
8. And it shall come to pass in that day says the Lord of hosts that I will break the yoke from off their neck and I will burst their bonds and strangers shall no more make servants of them. 9. but they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whom I will raise for them.

10. Then FEAR NOT O Jacob My servant says the Lord, NOR BE DISMAYED O Israel for lo I will save you from afar and your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return and have QUIET AND EASE and none shall make him afraid.
11. For I am with you to save you says the Lord
I will make a full end of the nations among whom I scattered you but of you I will not make a full end.

I will chasten you in measure and I will by no means leave you unpunished.
 
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The Great Tribulation is none other than "the time of Jacob's trouble" tribulation is taken from the word trouble.
I view Jeremiah 30:5-6, as the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal event.
Our great test of faith; 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
The Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, will happen during the final 3 1/2 years of this age, Jesus returns at the 7th Bowl, Revelation 16:16-17. It is all God's Judgment on the followers of the 'beast'. After Armageddon, they will all be dead.
 

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Who is Israel ?
Who is the true Israel of God?

Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10


It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:

Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18


So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:

1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. There are no proofs of ancestry back to Abraham extant today.

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17


Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20

So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8


This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. We will never go to live in heaven, but eventually heaven comes down to earth. Revelation 20:4

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26
 

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Who is Israel ?

If you understand prophetic scripture the answer to which Israel God is referring to is in the portion I have given and also indicates who will endure the tribulation and who will be kept safe.

God sees the people in a panic, frantic with fear and asks "WHY?"

"does a man travail in childbirth?" It is the woman who travails in childbirth. Israel after the flesh is God's firstborn son. The church is everywhere the spouse the bride.

That is what the Great Tribulation is all about, Jesus said they were birth pangs. The church is to give birth to spiritual Israel, the Israel which is to reign with Christ on earth during 1, 000 years.

The church will be raptured but the now converted Israel is to reign on earth. They will be converted when He appears "they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" and God will pour upon the nation of Israel a spirit of supplication.

We know the latter parts of Isaiah and Ezekiel speak about the end times greatness of Israel.

Daniel 12. says the same thing.
At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charge of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been since there was a nation till that time.
BUT AT THAT TIME YOUR PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED
everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
 
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Who is the true Israel of God?

Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10


It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:

Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18


So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:

1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. There are no proofs of ancestry back to Abraham extant today.

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17


Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20

So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8


This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. We will never go to live in heaven, but eventually heaven comes down to earth. Revelation 20:4

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26

We know the church is Israel. But the church has not displaced Israel but we have been joined to Israel. The New Covenant is made with Israel. All of Israel who enter into the New Covenant
Ephesians .2.
remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and stranger to the covenants of promise having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off have been brought near in the blood of Christ....

.... so then you are no longer strangers and sojourners but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

There are 2 Israels, spiritual Israel and natural Israel. But the natural Israel still has promises made to them which differ from the promises made to the church and which are yet to be fulfilled.
 
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I view Jeremiah 30:5-6, as the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal event.
Our great test of faith; 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
The Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, will happen during the final 3 1/2 years of this age, Jesus returns at the 7th Bowl, Revelation 16:16-17. It is all God's Judgment on the followers of the 'beast'. After Armageddon, they will all be dead.


The Great Tribulation and God's wrath are things quite different ... the church will inherit the kingdom [says Paul] through great tribulation. But there is no way God can pour out His wrath while the church is here.

The purpose of gathering the Jews to their own land is to keep them safe from the wrath to come. It PROVES that God is not finished with Israel as a nation.

God calls us as the church one by one and moulds us into a nation but He called Israel as a nation and has always dealt with them as a nation and will continue to do so.

They fell as a nation and they shall rise as a nation.
 

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There are 2 Israels, spiritual Israel and natural Israel. But the natural Israel still has promises made to them which differ from the promises made to the church and which are yet to be fulfilled
If it is the Jewish State of Israel, that you mean by 'natural Israel', then their fate is well prophesied. Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Amos 2:4-5, Romans 9:27, plus many other prophesies that tell of Jewish Israel's virtual demise. Isaiah 6:11-13, Jeremiah 10:18

Only a Christian remnant will join with their brethren in the holy Land. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 50:4-5
 

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Who is the true Israel of God?

Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10


It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:

Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18


So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:

1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. There are no proofs of ancestry back to Abraham extant today.

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17


Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20

So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8


This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. We will never go to live in heaven, but eventually heaven comes down to earth. Revelation 20:4

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26

I asked the question to see the thinking ,don't know all the answers but I know the answer to that question.
Those who are in Christ are Israel ,period!!! No if's ands or buts.....

Even if you could trace your linage all the way back to Abraham ,If you don't believe in Christ, you are not of Israel, in other words when Christ died all that believe were grafted into that tree ,ie the Tree of life those who don't although of Abraham were cut off
 

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If it is the Jewish State of Israel, that you mean by 'natural Israel', then their fate is well prophesied. Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Amos 2:4-5, Romans 9:27, plus many other prophesies that tell of Jewish Israel's virtual demise. Isaiah 6:11-13, Jeremiah 10:18

Only a Christian remnant will join with their brethren in the holy Land. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 50:4-5
When you quote Isaiah 22 you are quoting the prophecies of Israel's fall from grace also in each and every other scripture you reference.

We know Israel fell from grace

What was prophesied by the mouth of every prophet came to pass and it is now on the historical record.

Now you need to read the prophecies in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zephaniah, Zechariah et al concerning the RISE of Israel in the latter days.

If you quote Paul in Romans be sure to include his prophecies about Israel being accepted, grafted back in, received, restored.

I have quoted Jeremiah and Daniel. which show that Israel is to be delivered by Michael.

Michael does not deliver the church, Christ delivers the church.

Isaiah 22 speaks about the fall of Israel
Micah. 4. speaks about the rise of Israel
It shall come to pass IN THE LATTER DAYS
that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest mountain and shall be raised up above the hills
and peoples shall flow to it
and many nations shall come and say
"come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob that He may teach us His ways and we may walk in His paths"

For out of Zion shall go forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He shall judge between many peoples and shall decide for strong nations afar off.

And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit everyman under his vine and under his fig tree and none shall make them afraid.
For the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
 
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Problem is most don't understand that there will be two tribulations , one of satan and one of God

satans take place at 666 God's is at 777

Thanks :).
Jesus said "in the world you will have tribulation ...."

Tribulation comes from the world by the working of Satan and culminates with the Man of sin. Tribulation is persecution, the Great Tribulation is the great persecution Paul talks about in 2.Thessalonians .2.

Wrath comes from God upon the ungodly
 

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I asked the question to see the thinking ,don't know all the answers but I know the answer to that question.
Those who are in Christ are Israel ,period!!! No if's ands or buts.....

Even if you could trace your linage all the way back to Abraham ,If you don't believe in Christ, you are not of Israel, in other words when Christ died all that believe were grafted into that tree ,ie the Tree of life those who don't although of Abraham were cut off

The OT saints did believe in Christ to the fullest revelation of Him that they had ... The Jews still believe in Christ, that is they believe in an anointed Messiah.

A temporary blindness has come upon them according to Paul.

They are yet to be truly converted. When they are they shall reign with Christ on earth during a 1, 000 years.
 
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If you understand prophetic scripture the answer to which Israel God is referring to is in the portion I have given and also indicates who will endure the tribulation and who will be kept safe.

God sees the people in a panic, frantic with fear and asks "WHY?"

"does a man travail in childbirth?" It is the woman who travails in childbirth. Israel after the flesh is God's firstborn son. The church is everywhere the spouse the bride.

That is what the Great Tribulation is all about, Jesus said they were birth pangs. The church is to give birth to spiritual Israel, the Israel which is to reign with Christ on earth during 1, 000 years.

The church will be raptured but the now converted Israel is to reign on earth. They will be converted when He appears "they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" and God will pour upon the nation of Israel a spirit of supplication.

We know the latter parts of Isaiah and Ezekiel speak about the end times greatness of Israel.

Daniel 12. says the same thing.
At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charge of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been since there was a nation till that time.
BUT AT THAT TIME YOUR PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED
everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
No one is going to be kept safe in this world.
I know of people who claim that they are working to create the hellfire on the world they are all socialistic dictating types who are demanding. Now they support the Godless type of Jews ? Godless people work to empower them. it's all to create the hellfire.
They claim that they are going to be raptured out and saved from any harm, but the fact remains that you reap what you sow. they will be dealt with and suffer the fait in doing the works of the Devil.
One can not serve two masters ?
And in the Hellfire even Good Christians will suffer as well and even die, starve to death or be killed, but that's not the point of the message, it's that such can not kill the Soul of one truly in Christ, such are saved. you may loose your life, but such will gain a life in Heaven, so a true devout Christian does not fear for this life, in the same regard as a Carnal person does.
A Carnal person never had a real life worthy of God as they are a curse as we know many who claim to be Christians are not at all, because Jesus said so. you must truly be born again and it's only then that one will not be tempted like a fool running about loose doing works of Man and this world under the power of Satan.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I have dealt with such bastards who idolise the so called Jews, but they truly only use such Jews for the game play. they really hate me and make such stupid statements, Oh never question a Jew or you better not bag the Jews, they use such deranged tactics to put fear into fools, They know my sir name is Jewish ! but try to push me around as if I was lower then they and they are not Jewish at all. Talk about morons !
What they truly are is the Satanic mouth peace claiming to be Jews, as always was, in leading all astray.
I know them by their works. They know that they are Rothschild's Satanist doing worldly works, Pope Francis was on TV giving Lord Rothschild his allegiance, just as in the same way Popes underlings do to the Pope when he sits in the chair and they come and kiss his ring.
 
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The church will be raptured but the now converted Israel is to reign on earth. ...

I would observe that ALL are already going through the Tribulation and none will be "kept safe", particularly Israel, but also the church.

So exactly how many U.S. Presidential Elections have historically been STOLEN? And how many "NEWS" Media have historically reported DISINFORMATION? And how many times have Churches historically been CLOSED? And how many times historically have Businesses been CLOSED? And how many times have Criminals historically been INTENTIONALLY not Prosecuted? And how many time have Innocent Citizens historically been FALSELY Prosecuted? ... And so forth ...

Matt. 16:3 ... you can't discern the signs of the times! ...


Maybe we should try???
Bobby Jo
 

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When you quote Isaiah 22 you are quoting the prophecies of Israel's fall from grace also in each and every other scripture you reference.
Isaiah 22:1-14 is specifically directed toward Judah. The Jewish State of Israel today. They will be wiped out.

This truth conflicts with the common Church teaching of the 'rapture to heaven' of Christians. The 'rapture' theory and the Jewish redemption belief, are both false teachings and will never happen.
 

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... The 'rapture' theory and the Jewish redemption belief, are both false teachings and will never happen.
To All,

Sometimes people see trees that look like trees; men that look like trees; and men that look like men. And in this case, please allow me to correct what has been either incorrectly-stated, or possibly incompletely-stated:

1. There IS a RAPTURE, but it's not until the dead are raised after the Millennial Kingdom (Rev. 20) where those who are alive and remain shall ascend to the New Jerusalem to be with Jesus forever in the air.

2. The Jews WILL accept Jesus as their Savior and become witnesses to the ends of the earth.
And for the record, I actually like "Keraz" and think he's sincere in his beliefs. But he's apparently closed his mind to everything except those things he holds to be true, even when proven false, -- for example his "Corona Mass Ejection" theory where only a nuclear weapon could dissolve a persons tongue (and the rest of their body) while they yet stand; and the associated other nuclear weapon aspects. But at least he's not a TROLL. He's just incompletely/incorrectly informed, as we all are in some aspects of our various understandings.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
 

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Isaiah 22:1-14 is specifically directed toward Judah. The Jewish State of Israel today. They will be wiped out.

This truth conflicts with the common Church teaching of the 'rapture to heaven' of Christians. The 'rapture' theory and the Jewish redemption belief, are both false teachings and will never happen.

You plucked that out of nowhere

There is simply no reason to link Isaiah 22 to a supposed eternal destruction of Jerusalem

Jesu's prophecy concerning Jerusalem is that it will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be complete.

Are you saying the church will not be gathered to meet the coming Lord in the clouds as Paul says in 2.Thess.2.?