Unethical mRNA Vaccine - Input from a Biochemist.

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

Enoch111 said:
When there is an actual conspiracy in place, Christians at least should be honest enough to admit it, and not call it a "conspiracy theory". So let me ask you a few plain questions:

1. Was HCQ sabotaged by the public health officials since January 2020? [If you do not know kindly do the necessary research]

2. Had the HCQ package been proven to be very effective in the early stages of COVID, with multiple studies to confirm this? [Again if you do not know kindly do the necessary research]

3. Does that not mean that there was an ACTUAL CONSPIRACY to prevent access to HCQ and thereby increase the numbers of cases and deaths?

4. And would not an ethical and honest prosecutor call this a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY and prosecute the conspirators?

I am sick and tired of Leftists and fence-sitters talking about conspiracy theories, when millions of lives and businesses have been destroyed for absolutely no reason.

To all four questions the answer is NO.

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

MattMooradian said:
What makes you say that? He admitted he's merely a student.

Ok... because of many of the things he says and doesn't say...the terms he uses and doesn't use.
The understanding that he doesn't have over some basic concepts in biochemistry that I do...and I'm not even a biochemist or a simple chemist. I'm just an electrician who reads a lot.

And then finally the understanding of the working world of post-doctoral people.

The understanding level is below a first year declared major college student.
Unless he is at a diploma printing press school...he is not even close to being a student yet.

Base12 · Jan 21, 2021

OP...

I have been researching how the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is a picture of a Biological Cell. More specifically, it is a Zygote.

Here is the basic premise...

The Ark of the Covenant for example is the Nucleolus...

Naturally, the Table of Shewbread would be the Golgi Apparatus...

Many Biologists describe the Golgi Apparatus as looking like a stack of Pita Bread or Pancakes...

There is much more to this.

My hope is that one day someone will take this research further.

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

UnrulyBeauty said:
Are you a biologist?

Oh...but this person has claimed to be a biochemist...
Meaning that they understand biology and chemistry of biology.

I know Alicia from a local University. She is the wife of a Sunday School teacher who happens to be her university's department head over biochemistry. Now she might be a difficult professor but I was there 10 years ago when she finally finished her dissertation and got her PHD...I baked a cake to celebrate...had all kinds of chocolate butterflies and raspberry flowers on the Italian chocolate buttercream.

And when I get her to talk shop...it sounds nothing like this guy.
Which in itself is extraordinary. Especially for a student. Biochemistry these days is often done by computer modeling. And there's good reasons why.
I also posted an article about how certain birth defects happen and asked our student to explain the baby step of how this article demonstrates that this coronavirus is going to have very detrimental effects on the next generation.
Crickets was the reply.

Showing once again that this person isn't who they claim to be...they don't operate PCR testing equipment or are probably even allowed to clean it. (If they even know what one looks like)

They are a conspiracy theorist hack who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them.

JTH1234 · Jan 21, 2021

JohnDB said:
Here is an article that should be a piece of cake for this guy to parse (if he was what he claims)

It also is nothing but a baby step to explain that covid-19 will cause birth defects in anyone who got infected.

NIH researchers identify new genetic disorder that affects brain, craniofacial skeleton

This is a genetic disorder and the paper has no reference to COVID. Try again.

JTH1234 · Jan 21, 2021

JohnDB said:
Oh...but this person has claimed to be a biochemist...
Meaning that they understand biology and chemistry of biology.

I know Alicia from a local University. She is the wife of a Sunday School teacher who happens to be her university's department head over biochemistry. Now she might be a difficult professor but I was there 10 years ago when she finally finished her dissertation and got her PHD...I baked a cake to celebrate...had all kinds of chocolate butterflies and raspberry flowers on the Italian chocolate buttercream.

And when I get her to talk shop...it sounds nothing like this guy.
Which in itself is extraordinary. Especially for a student. Biochemistry these days is often done by computer modeling. And there's good reasons why.
I also posted an article about how certain birth defects happen and asked our student to explain the baby step of how this article demonstrates that this coronavirus is going to have very detrimental effects on the next generation.
Crickets was the reply.

Showing once again that this person isn't who they claim to be...they don't operate PCR testing equipment or are probably even allowed to clean it. (If they even know what one looks like)

They are a conspiracy theorist hack who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them.

UnrulyBeauty said:
Do you have a source that we can examine for ourselves, that states this?

Sure! Here it is. I can support all my
claims and anything I have said wrong will be retracted.
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

JTH1234 said:
This is a genetic disorder and the paper has no reference to COVID. Try again.

Yes but the mechanics of it are an extremely easy step to what I said.

If you can't do that...
I know of a dozen university programs that can explain what elephant you are missing.

JTH1234 · Jan 21, 2021

JohnDB said:
Yes but the mechanics of it are an extremely easy step to what I said.

If you can't do that...
I know of a dozen university programs that can explain what elephant you are missing.

Sorry, I don’t believe in elephants in the room when it comes to science. Please show me the data that supports your hypothesis or it isn’t valid.

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

Have you learned anything about ACE enzymes?

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

How about how the Zitka fever virus?

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

He is taking wayyyy too long...
Trying to google up definitions I'd imagine...can't answer off the top of his head. (Like he ought to)

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

Pssst...
Wikipedia is going to be your friend here....ROFL

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

WOW...
Really slow reader...but I suppose looking up every other word will do that for you.

UnrulyBeauty · Jan 21, 2021

JTH1234 said:
Sure! Here it is. I can support all my
claims and anything I have said wrong will be retracted.
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

I'm blocked from viewing the link for some reason, lol.

UnrulyBeauty · Jan 21, 2021

MattMooradian said:
Don't know what the HCQ is.

Hydroxychloroquine...

JTH1234 · Jan 21, 2021

UnrulyBeauty said:
I'm blocked from viewing the link for some reason, lol.

You should be able to google it if anything. Its on major news networks so easy to find. Not sure why it wont let you view the link.

JohnDB · Jan 21, 2021

Alicia and I were talking about this around the dinner table about 6years ago...and I'm just a dumb Electrical construction worker...

Now we have someone claiming to be a biochemistry major and can't even hold up his end of a conversation?

Obviously a huge fraud.

UnrulyBeauty · Jan 21, 2021

JTH1234 said:
You should be able to google it if anything. Its on major news networks so easy to find. Not sure why it wont let you view the link.

I was able to google it, thank you.

UnrulyBeauty · Jan 21, 2021

So, after reading the Newsweek article - Fact Check: Are pharmaceutical companies immune from COVID-19 vaccine lawsuits? - there is no legislation or policy change that's been made specifically in response to the Covid vaccines, which is sort of how you made it sound at first. The laws and policies in place have been around for years, to protect pharmaceutical companies during a public health emergency, such as a pandemic. However, people can still pursue compensation through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, they just can't sue the vaccine manufacturer. In summary: this is nothing new, it's been this way for at least the past 15 years.

WaterSong · Jan 21, 2021

JTH1234 said:
Hello,

I'm new here! Just a brief introduction before I discuss this vaccine. I apologize if this post is long, but it may be worth your time, and feedback is much appreciated.

I am a PhD student, and my research is in cancer where I have assisted my lab in discovering bioenergetic mechanisms in cancers that allow for unlimited growth potential. After discovering that the basis of cancer growth is chronic inflammatory signaling that leads to a dysfunctional mitochondrial bioenergetic program, I began studying phytonutrients due to their anti-inflammatory properties. Long story short, I have found that many phytonutrients do exactly what you would want a drug to do if you were trying to treat cancer, and yet they are totally free to us by consuming raw plant products. God knew what he was doing when he created nature, so please remember that before eating processed and man-modified foods that are stripped of phytonutrients. These plant-based chemicals truly do serve a purpose.

Now onto the vaccine..

Our DNA us used to form RNA that is then used to make proteins. While this mRNA vaccine does not alter your DNA, it adds mRNA to your cells which is still genetic material that encodes for proteins. This particular mRNA is translated by your cells to create the spike protein of the Covid-19 virus. Your cells then take this protein and express it on their own surfaces. This is adding a foreign protein to your cells. We aren't calling it "genetic modification" by a technicality that your DNA isnt altered when the reality is, you are still adding instructions for proteins that are not contained within your biological programming. I don't see a big difference here outside of semantics.

A big issue with this vaccine however, that is being widely overlooked, is the ethical dilemma we are facing. The drug companies were granted immunity from legal repercussions in the event this vaccine harms someone. From a quick google search, you can see that 23 people have recently died in Norway from the vaccine and approximately 55 people in the United States. Typically, if you take a medicine that is harmful, you are entitled to lawsuits to cover damages. Now however, drug companies are not held liable, which means that product safety can no longer be trusted. There are no ramifications in the event batches of these vaccines are botched. There are no ramifications if there end up being long term side effects. Checks and balances are being thwarted to keep costs low, and our liberties are being held over our heads to coerce us into taking this injection. I do not yet see how we as Christians can support this.

I appreciate the time you took reading. Feel free to leave your thoughts here as well.

Great introduction.

Welcome to our community. God Bless.

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