Imagine you're God

pittsburghjoe · Jan 21, 2021

Does anyone know what the double slit experiment is? It might be pointing out that there is something greater than us.

If an interference pattern can return ..it means it wasn't possible to observe it in one of the all possible paths. If something is going to be scalar (the fallen reality) then you will not get an interference pattern.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 21, 2021

Physicality is what happened after original sin. We were not physical beforehand. Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked because they were physical for the first time. We suffered a spiritual death ..not a physical one. Scalar started. This makes Sin the reason for the measurement problem. You need a closed scalar volume for entropy. Entropy is disorder. The non-physical doesn't use entropy. The spiritual universe is coherent. This reality of the fallen is decoherence.

DuckieLady · Jan 22, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Am I wrong in thinking there could have been a spiritual universe before it turned into the physical one?
Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked, was it because they became solid flesh?
We had a spiritual death ..not a physical one.

What defines a spiritual world and what makes you think that a "spiritual world" like Heaven, would not be physical? Have you read the description of Heaven in Revelation? It's physical.

Do you define a spiritual world as being ghost-like? (As in not solid.)
"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." Luke 24:39, NIV

If so, why?

TLHKAJ · Jan 22, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Am I wrong in thinking there could have been a spiritual universe before it turned into the physical one?
Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked, was it because they became solid flesh?
We had a spiritual death ..not a physical one.

They were flesh and bone before the fall.

Genesis 2 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ²¹ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; ²² And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. ²³ And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

It is my strong conviction that Adam and Eve were clothed with a spiritual covering. They were daily in God's presence. When Moses spent time in God's presence the people couldn't even look on him as his face shone so brightly. Think how that would have been for Adam and Eve who were in God's presence on a daily basis. This is what I believe was lost once they sinned...a spiritual clothing.

DuckieLady · Jan 22, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
They were flesh and bone before the fall.

Genesis 2 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ²¹ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; ²² And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. ²³ And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

It is my strong conviction that Adam and Eve were clothed with a spiritual covering. They were daily in God's presence. When Moses spent time in God's presence the people couldn't even look on him as his face shone so brightly. Think how that would have been for Adam and Eve who were in God's presence on a daily basis. This is what I believe was lost once they sinned...a spiritual clothing.

I am in agreement with this. Yes.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

Quantum Coherence is infinite order of the Vector Field. Anything physical is finite and disordered with entropy.
The two environments are similar when you are made out of the same stuff.
The physical reality is the view of the fallen. Considering someone naked goes with lust which they didn't have before.

If you are a spiritual being in a spiritual universe, you have no idea that you are not physical.

The spiritual universe don't have entropy ..that is disorder. God's Kingdom is Coherence ..order.
Entropy is closed systems of Scalar Volumes. Scalar is the fall.

This place a is test/lesson to understand why Sin is wrong. Sin is disorder in an infinite coherent vector field. The idea is for us to look back on this and never agree to be physical again.

Just being here is sin. It is the knowledge we got from the tree. It is Satan's perception.
Scalar is finite, it causes age. We age and then die.

Dust of a spiritual universe is quantum waves.

TLHKAJ · Jan 22, 2021

Alright...if you're determined to believe something contrary to scripture after you've been shown the truth, then there's no real purpose for this thread other than trying to convince others to believe something that isn't supported by scripture. This thread is unprofitable.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

How dare I want to wake the sleeping with evidence of Sin.
How dare I claim God created the universe first as a coherent spiritual place? Really? That is what you are going to object to when the Bible doesn't say "physical"? You think the person trying to wake the unbelievers isn't on your side?

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

Are local objects that can remain local on their own, closed scalar volumes that have entropy?

Is entropy disorder? Is sin disorder?

Is God's Kingdom orderly? Is it Coherent?
Is this reality of the fallen Decoherent?

Gregory · Jan 22, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
How dare I want to wake the sleeping with evidence of Sin.
How dare I claim God created the universe first as a coherent spiritual place? Really? That is what you are going to object to when the Bible doesn't say "physical"? You think the person trying to wake the unbelievers isn't on your side?

I believe the bible does say "physical".

Adam and Eve were made from the dust of the earth, and God breathed into them the breath of life and they became living souls. Living, breathing, "physical" souls.

Then God placed Adam and Eve, with their "physical" bodies into the garden, and they knew not that they were naked. They were "physical"
when they knew not that they were naked.

So not sure you are right about all this.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

I'm saying we were quantum waves. You don't get to insert "physical" into Bible verse.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

You either get an interference pattern or you don't.
When you don't, the wave collapsed into our fallen reality of decoherence.
When you do, the wave remained coherent until the final panel.

Waves don't have entropy. They don't have disorder. Sounds like what God would use for a spiritual universe.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 22, 2021

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 5:21 - English Standard Version
2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

When it says "to be sin", could it mean physical?

Prayer Warrior · Jan 23, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Imagine you're God, you have infinity to do whatever. You decide you want people that can think for themselves to be in your existence (free will). The only problem is that they can't be corrupted or it screws with your system.

God is perfect order, coherence.

Sin is disorder, decoherence.

God needs us to be orderly to be entangled with him.

You need coherent waves to quantum entangle.

God first created a spiritual world that was coherent. Original sin caused decoherence so now we live in this reality of the fallen.

How do you think we become orderly again? God's Love is entanglement. God could have just forgiven us but we wouldn't be able to entangle with him after this is over. He had to become man to forgive for the disorder.

Am I wrong in thinking there could have been a spiritual universe before it turned into the physical one?
Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked, was it because they became solid flesh?
We had a spiritual death ..not a physical one.

What religion do you subscribe to?

Prayer Warrior · Jan 23, 2021

Base12 said:
I just posted this in another thread...

I will post my thoughts in case there is something of interest to you or someone here.

The two trees in the Garden of Eden represented two Mothers by which Adam and his Wife could incarnate from.

In other words, Adam and his Wife were being given a choice as to which parent they wished to be birthed from.

I doubt they knew this as the whole story sounds like a set-up.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was, and still is, Mystery Babylon. She is the Earth Mother of the Human Race.

Who was the Father? Satan. Those are the parental DNA we all have right now.

The Forbidden Fruit was the fertilized Ovum... and guess what? We *ALL* partook of it. That is how we got here.

When Jesus uses the phrase "your Father the Devil", it is absolutely, one hundred percent literal, and it pertains to every Human on the planet.

The so called 'Seed of the Serpent' is what Men have between their feet. The Seed of the Woman is the Ovum.

Need more proof? Here...

Revelation 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"

What was in the cup? We are all adults here. Disgusting right?

That is the Forbidden Fruit!!!

It is the fertilized Zygote, waiting for a gullible Spirit and Soul to enter into it. We fell for the trap and here we are.

The Nations are mad because of it... lol.

Jeremiah 51:7
"Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad."

And now Jerusalem represents Mystery Babylon. Why? Because Jerusalem is the CENTER OF THE EARTH where the Temple Body is...

Jesus went to the Heart of the Earth, the Womb, to sprinkle the Blood in the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle Zygote.

Hi, B, I had asked in another thread where you get this info. Is it purely your own thoughts, or is it part of some ideology? Did you draw all of the diagrams you use, or did you get them from some other source? If you got them elsewhere, where?

Truman · Jan 23, 2021

Geniuses unraveled the atom...I kinda wished they hadn't.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 23, 2021

Am I changing the message or is it looking at it from a different angle?

Renniks · Jan 23, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
I agree that the "balance" is used in false religions.

I struggle when I think about what would have happened if Satan didn't fall? Would humans have still chosen to disobey? If we would have, but Satan didn't, would that mean Nero and Hitler wouldn't be a thing?

I'm confused on the order of the events. Did God know we were going to fall so he told the Angels he would become man to save them ..and then Satan heard that as a last straw and figured he would trick us and steal our authority at the tree?

I don't think so. Seems like Satan fell earlier, and God chose to cast him the earth priori creating man? Why? I don't know for sure, but seems like free will demands a real choice. Also depends if you are a open theology person or not. I'm not, so I believe God had a plan from the beginning, Only that's kind of a meaningless statement because there was no beginning.
You are basically asking questions that have no answers.

pittsburghjoe · Jan 23, 2021

Right, Satan was already cast down to the physical earth before Adam and Eve.

The tree of knowledge was the connection to this fallen reality.

It was the choice Free Will allows to see from Satan's perception ..sin ..disorder ..physicality

pittsburghjoe · Jan 23, 2021

Was there Wave-Particle duality before original sin?

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