Hebrews 10:26-31

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Ferris Bueller

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Personally I think we sin when we are deceived into it, thinking that those desires are our own. The deceptive lusts.
....as opposed to when a person sins just because they want to. That's the willful sinning of Hebrews 10:26. Whether it's the willful and deliberate sin of rejecting the gospel, or the willful and deliberate 'just because I want to' sin of lust, or theft, or lying, it's all a profaning of the blood of Christ through which you have been sanctified, rejecting it as if it was just an ordinary and useless thing. In plain language it's a turning away from the sacrifice of Christ in willful unbelief.
 

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You think that “ you” know the Bible....

I think that “ I” know the Bible.....

All either one of us can do in the end is both of us put Forth our best understandings and arguments in regard to Scripture and let the Reader decide....that’s what we do.....it's all we “ can” do....

Some day, and soon I hope, you will finally see that BB is correct about everything that he thinks and says and that YOU have been a complete and utter idiot all along!
That last part there? That was just a little joke.....lol.....
You've rejected the parts of the Bible that tell us we make our calling and election sure by what we do, and that we should do that. How is that you knowing your Bible and me not?
 

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Those in Christ cannot sin, end of story, the flesh is of no concern to Christ, but satan loves men dwellingon sin makes them prisoners of it, wonder how long you intend on staying in prision.
Gnosticism.

"Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only."

What is Christian Gnosticism? | GotQuestions.org

 

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Gnosticism.

"Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only."

What is Christian Gnosticism? | GotQuestions.org
Wouldnt know gnosticm that is a man made thing I only know Christ, and by the way, when the wine is pored out of a vessel, it is dicarded, it doesnt matter what the outside of the vessel looks like it is of no use and discarded.

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
 

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Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
This is a description of the man trying to serve God in the power of the flesh. Paul asks, "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Jesus, and the indwelling Holy Spirit, of course. If you keep reading into chapter 8 he explains how the saved person is controlled by the Spirit, not by the flesh as the person in chapter 7 is and as a result can't do the good he wants to do.

...the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so (the Romans 7 person). 8Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. Romans 8:7-8

Don't take some kind of comfort out of being a Romans chapter 7 believer. That's the description of a person without the Spirit and who is controlled by the flesh. If you or I identify with the Romans 7 believer rather than the Romans 8 believer we have to consider if we are really saved or not. You may be, but you have to know for sure, so that if you really aren't saved you can fix that before you die.

Assurance of salvation comes from being like him in this life, not just in your spirit as Gnosticism teaches. Ultimately, saved, righteous people (made righteous through Christ) are righteous in what they actually do. Unrighteous people aren't. That's how you can tell who really is saved and who is not. John said that, not me.
 
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Wouldnt know gnosticm that is a man made thing I only know Christ, and by the way, when the wine is pored out of a vessel, it is dicarded, it doesnt matter what the outside of the vessel looks like it is of no use and discarded.

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. Matthew 23:26

But Gnosticism says if the inside of the cup is clean then the outside of the cup doesn't matter. If the inside of the cup is clean the outside of the cup will be too.
 
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Yep but as long as you spend all your time is sin, well your only concern is Christ, if you are in Him. than it is no problem you make it a problem by forever discussing it than it that it will always be your problem
 

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That is not the issue sir. The issue is that not all who says they believe are genuine believers. People believe for many reasons. That is understood in what Jesus said in John 8:31. And according to what Jesus said there, which is what I believe. Genuine believers remain in His word and indeed are His disciples. Those who don’t are not.

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Amen! In John 8:31, we read that these Jews were said to have "believed him," yet as we read on through verse 59, we find out that these Jews turned out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. So we can see at best, these Jews believed in Jesus (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words here, we see they did not truly "believe in His name/believe in Him unto salvation" and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.
 

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If we can get ahold of that, we can stop constantly trying to do what we cannot according to Scripture do - Judge. Not others, and not ourselves.
Like Paul, whether or not I see sin in myself doesn't really mean anything, because there may be sin I don't see. Jesus is the only qualified judge.
To think that we can parse God's gift of forgiveness according to our opinions and perceptions of ourselves and others is the highest form of hubris. For man to think he knows better than God! As if!!

Much love!
Much love!

Generally, where the believer becomes confused about "how am i saved, and how do i stay saved", is when they dont realize that discipleship, ..which is our walk AFTER we are already and eternally = a redeemed part of God's Spirit, is not WHY we are a part of God's Spirit..
So, the confused believer, is trying to do or maintain, by lifestyle (discipleship), what God has already FINISHED as "salvation".
So, that is the issue.
They, the confused believer, is not understanding that Discipleship, is not Salvation.
Discipelship is what we do, BECAUSE we are already a part of God's Spirit, = born again.

The confused believer does not understand that discipleship is the very same type of trying to do good, and be good, that could not save you to begin with......, as only the Grace of God, as provided AS the Blood of Jesus, has the Power to save and keep you saved.
 

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These are passages out of Christianity 101. They teach that we are saved because of faith.

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We are not saved by faith, legalist, we are saved by the BLOOD OF JESUS< also known as the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

Your theology is continually anti-Cross and denies the blood of Jesus.
You need to wake up, as you are nowhere connected to the Grace of God, in your self righteous teaching.
 
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No dishonesty here. You're trying to say having faith condemns a person like doing works condemns a person.

I didnt say you were condemned.
So again, you are making things up and applying them to me.
Do not do that.

So, do you understand the difference between faith being trusted..... and God being trusted. ???

Can you understand this????
 

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You're saying you don't have to continue to have faith for you to remain in Christ.

No..... that is what you are saying..

What im saying is that the reason a person is "in Christ" is because they are BORN AGAIN into the Spirit of God.
And by being THERE, we are always "in Christ".
We are not put their by faith, we are put there by NEW BIRTH, that is caused by GOD.
So, the same God who BIRTHED US = into His own Spirit, is the same GOD who keeps us in His own Spirit.

Faith does not do that.
God does that.

Philippians 1:6
Hebrews 12:2
 

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Faith (in the blood) is the conduit through which we receive the grace of God. If you close the conduit of faith you no longer have access to God's grace.

The blood atonement is not a process that is kept going by faith.
You dont understand this.....
See, you think the Blood Atonement is connected to your faith that you continue to have....
But that is not how it works.....>How it works is .. God accepts your faith to GIVE YOU the Blood Atonement, as a eternal GIFT. "the GIFT of Salvation"... and you have it....if you are born again.
This is "born again".
 
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...a distinction was made between those that “ follow” a false Gospel and those that “ TEACH” a false gospel of Additions . The former were destined to live out a “ beggarly” Christian life and the latter became “ ACCURSED” —- Damned Forever by God .....
No, the Galatians themselves were under the curse of the law, too—the curse of trying to be justified by works of the law and not being able to do all the works of the law........

Galatians 3:10
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.



I think that the lesson of Galatians is that these people were Saved Believers who did not really stop “ Believing the Gospel”—— they still KNEW that it was ESSENTIAL —- they had just been “ tricked ” into Believing that the Gospel was not “ADEQUATE” in and of itself......Additions had to be made...
What you say illustrates the danger of the saved person who falls away from grace, for whatever the reason, but who still thinks they're going to be saved when Jesus comes back when you're really not. I wonder if any of the Galatians came to their senses and got right with God before they died. Some say since they were true believers they would have. Others say since they fell away they were never really saved to begin with. But the important point here is they were accursed because they were relying on a way to be justified that simply does not succeed and so they were not going to inherit the kingdom in the condition they were in.
 

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......If my “ Take “ is the correct one , some people need to realize the Jeopardy that they are unknowingly in. The False Additions to the Gospel Of Pure Grace Are no longer “ Circumcision” and the like—— they are “ Church Attendance.....Tithing.....Doing your best to keep the 10 Commandments or making sure that you acknowledge all of your sins , feel remorse about them ,and Promise to do a better job with them in the future before you die
You misunderstand the requirement for the saved person to not live in sin as being a works gospel. It doesn't mean he has to strive to earn his salvation. It means he has to stay in the faith to be saved when Jesus comes back. Works are how you know you are continuing in the faith and will be saved when Jesus comes back.

These are all great things to do , and Believers should strive to all that is “ right” .....but these things are NOT the Gospel That will Save you. The Gospel That will Save you if you simply “ BELIEVE” it is this —- “ Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the dead three days later” ( 1Cor15:1-4)
Works are how you know that you are doing that. Believing people are changing. Unbelieving people are not. That's how we can know if we are really saved or not.

No mention of “ Repenting from Sins” in order to be Saved .
You are not saved if you did not change your mind about your sin (repent). People who (supposedly) come to the Lord without a change of mind about the sin that condemns them are those who later show themselves to not be true believers. Their unchanged, unrepentant lives being the evidence that they do not have the Holy Spirit in them in salvation.

To “ Repent” in regard to Salvation simply means to “ change your mind”. If you did not BELIVE the Gospel and later , after “ God “opened your heart “ to it and decided to Believe it, you have undergone the Repentance That God demands for Salvation.....
Now you are saying repentance is required for repentance. Good. Because it is. To live in willful, unrepentant sin is to live in unbelief. The unrepentant person is an unbeliever. Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom of God when Christ comes back.

Rest in the Gospel .... thereby getting the Holy Spirit inside you .....and let God change you from the inside out—- that “ inside of the cup” thingy.Allow God to “FINISH the Work that HE Started”.... that takes Faith.....you got it ?
What we need to get is if you're not being changed from the inside out you're in some form of unbelief and if you stay there and God turns you over to that unbelief you won't be saved when Jesus comes back.
 
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So, do you understand the difference between faith being trusted..... and God being trusted. ???

Can you understand this????
I understand your argument. It's quite ridiculous. What you don't seem to understand is 'having faith in having faith in the blood of Christ' would still be having faith in the blood of Christ.
 
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No..... that is what you are saying..

What im saying is that the reason a person is "in Christ" is because they are BORN AGAIN into the Spirit of God.
And by being THERE, we are always "in Christ".
We are not put their by faith, we are put there by NEW BIRTH, that is caused by GOD.
So, the same God who BIRTHED US = into His own Spirit, is the same GOD who keeps us in His own Spirit.

Faith does not do that.
God does that.

Philippians 1:6
Hebrews 12:2
Salvation is THROUGH faith.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith Ephesians 2:8

Don't create an argument where one is not being argued. No one is saying faith in and of itself is what saves a person. Faith is only the conduit through which you receive the grace of God in salvation.

...our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:1-2

Close the conduit of faith and you no longer have access to the completed but ongoing ministry of Christ and his sacrifice that makes continual intercession for you in heaven (see Hebrews 7:25). That intercessory ministry ends for you if your faith in it ends and you turn away from it in unbelief. You can't have the benefit of a ministry and sacrifice you have chosen to not believe and trust in.
 
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"Repent" means to make a 180-degree turn away from sin towards the direction of holiness, practically in your life.[/QUOTE]

Ladies and gentleman, may I present to you — “ Damnation in a Nutshell “
 
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But your discernment is anyone who doesnt agree with your, its a long way off.....

My discernment tells me that those who don't hear me have the spirit of error...1 John 4:6.

So we agree on that then that no man can know and say with certainty the heart of man.

No, we do not agree on that.

Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Those in Christ cannot sin, end of story, the flesh is of no concern to Christ, but satan loves men dwellingon sin makes them prisoners of it, wonder how long you intend on staying in prision.

gnosticism.

Amen! In John 8:31, we read that these Jews were said to have "believed him," yet as we read on through verse 59, we find out that these Jews turned out to be slaves to sin,

John 8:31-36 does not bear out that those who believed in Jesus were still slaves to sin.

indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in.

I believe that the people you are speaking about here were distinctly different from the people who had believed on Christ.

So we can see at best, these Jews believed in Jesus (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words here, we see they did not truly "believe in His name/believe in Him unto salvation" and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.

Case in point: they believed and yet they didn't believe?

We are not saved by faith, legalist, we are saved by the BLOOD OF JESUS< also known as the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

We are saved through faith in the blood atonement (Romans 3:25).

Your theology is continually anti-Cross and denies the blood of Jesus.

Nope.

You need to wake up, as you are nowhere connected to the Grace of God, in your self righteous teaching.

I am born again of the Holy Spirit; how then would I not be connected to the grace of the Lord?