The New Covenant
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Then what covenant are we (Christians) under?
and explain
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediatorbetween God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
that’s the mediator of the new covenant???
and explain
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediatorbetween God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
that’s the mediator of the new covenant???
Oh so its not by fail and Jesus, but your religions doctrines, how log will you make a mockery of Him.... and wore may that claim that your harlot church is His bride....
The New Covenant is the establishment of the Everlasting Covenant in time Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Matt 26:28
28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins
Same Blood and Covenant !
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Matt 26:28
28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins
Same Blood and Covenant !
No He is... and His bride is not a Harlot, no matter how much you paint her up she is still ugly, and judgement has being pronounced on her, if that is what you want upon yourself.
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Your reply is as useless as an udder on a bull!
A Covenant is an agreement between 2 parties. The New Covenant will be made between Jesus and His Christian people when they are settled in the holy Land.
The scriptures that prove this are posted in the OP.
Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
the church is His bride
Jesus and His church are one acts 9 Saul persecuting the church Jesus said why persecute me?
the new and eternal covenant is between God and his people with Jesus being the mediator it is valid upon the death of the testor or mediator
The initiation into the covenant is by faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:37
As the promise (sacred oath or sacrament ) of the father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27
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Church teaching is that we are now in the New Covenant.
This belief mainly comes from Luke 22:20 In the same way, He took the cup and said: This cup, poured out for you, is the new Covenant, sealed by My Blood.
But Luke 22:20 is a later addition to scripture and is not found in the early manuscripts. It is deleted by the Revised English Bible and others.
Can we Christians today really say we experience all the results of the New Covenant, as listed in Hebrews 8:10-12?
1/ I shall set My Laws in their hearts.
2/ I shall be their God and they will be My people.
3/ They will not teach each other, for all will know the Lord.
4/ I shall pardon their sins and remember their wickedness no more.
Not one of these things are fully in effect now, or have been since Jesus was on earth. They are all yet to happen in the future.
The Old Covenant was made between the Lord and the Israelite peoples:
Exodus 24:3-8, where all the Israelites heard the Laws in the Book of the Covenant and promised to obey them. It will be the same again, in the end times, when all of the Lord’s faithful people will be living in the holy Land.
Proved by how it is only then that the sins of the people will be forgiven. Isaiah 33:24
The big sticking point with this scenario for most is all the Christians going to live in the holy Land. They have been taught that the Jews remain there while they avoid the Lord’s wrath by being raptured to heaven, plus the idea of migrating to the Middle East is totally unheard of and isn’t at all desirable as it is now.
Many prophesies say how the Lord will regenerate the Land and it will become like the garden of Eden. Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 33:12-13
We Christians are the Lord’s witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16 We have His Commission to proclaim the Gospel until Jesus comes again. Matthew 28:19-20
Many prophesies tell us that the current Jewish State of Israel will be gone after the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:1-18, and only a remnant will remain. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27
They will be joined by their Christian brethren, Jeremiah 50:4-6: His lost sheep, Ezekiel 34:11-16, all the vast multitude in Jerusalem seen by John. Revelation 7:9
There: Jesus will make the New Covenant with us, for our peace and prosperity. He will demonstrate His power to protect us: by the destruction of the Gog/Magog army.
That the Lord’s holy people are present in the holy Land before Jesus Returns, is proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, when the ‘beast’ conquers them. Zechariah 14:1-2 However, some of the Christians will violate the New Covenant and agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the World Govt, Isaiah 28:11-12, as described in Daniel 11:32, which will commence the Great Tribulation for the final 3½ years before Jesus Returns.
This belief mainly comes from Luke 22:20 In the same way, He took the cup and said: This cup, poured out for you, is the new Covenant, sealed by My Blood.
But Luke 22:20 is a later addition to scripture and is not found in the early manuscripts. It is deleted by the Revised English Bible and others.
Can we Christians today really say we experience all the results of the New Covenant, as listed in Hebrews 8:10-12?
1/ I shall set My Laws in their hearts.
2/ I shall be their God and they will be My people.
3/ They will not teach each other, for all will know the Lord.
4/ I shall pardon their sins and remember their wickedness no more.
Not one of these things are fully in effect now, or have been since Jesus was on earth. They are all yet to happen in the future.
The Old Covenant was made between the Lord and the Israelite peoples:
Exodus 24:3-8, where all the Israelites heard the Laws in the Book of the Covenant and promised to obey them. It will be the same again, in the end times, when all of the Lord’s faithful people will be living in the holy Land.
Proved by how it is only then that the sins of the people will be forgiven. Isaiah 33:24
The big sticking point with this scenario for most is all the Christians going to live in the holy Land. They have been taught that the Jews remain there while they avoid the Lord’s wrath by being raptured to heaven, plus the idea of migrating to the Middle East is totally unheard of and isn’t at all desirable as it is now.
Many prophesies say how the Lord will regenerate the Land and it will become like the garden of Eden. Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 33:12-13
We Christians are the Lord’s witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16 We have His Commission to proclaim the Gospel until Jesus comes again. Matthew 28:19-20
Many prophesies tell us that the current Jewish State of Israel will be gone after the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:1-18, and only a remnant will remain. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27
They will be joined by their Christian brethren, Jeremiah 50:4-6: His lost sheep, Ezekiel 34:11-16, all the vast multitude in Jerusalem seen by John. Revelation 7:9
There: Jesus will make the New Covenant with us, for our peace and prosperity. He will demonstrate His power to protect us: by the destruction of the Gog/Magog army.
That the Lord’s holy people are present in the holy Land before Jesus Returns, is proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, when the ‘beast’ conquers them. Zechariah 14:1-2 However, some of the Christians will violate the New Covenant and agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the World Govt, Isaiah 28:11-12, as described in Daniel 11:32, which will commence the Great Tribulation for the final 3½ years before Jesus Returns.
Read Hebrews 3 And Hebrews 4.
What @Keraz is pointing to is the final redemption not the initial ratifying of the covenant. See below:
14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
15 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Ephesians 1:14-15)
An Earnest is a down payment, meaning there is coming a time of a full payment.
Consider also Romans 8:19-25, 1 John 3:1-3
Wow! That’s amazing
I don’t understand it at all
Where is the church now?
The kingdom now?
Israel now?
the great commission does not belong to believers that’s evangelicalism, it’s is only the office of apostle that has this commission, the three fold office, to teach: to govern the church: and to sanctify by the sacraments or sacred oaths (promises) of the father! Acts 2:38-39 with ez 36:25-27
Heb 8:6
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Wow! That’s amazing .............. Thanks
I don’t understand it at all.......... It is written in English.
Where is the church now?........... on earth, as it will always be.
The kingdom now?......... We pray: Thy Kingdom come... When Jesus Returns it will come.
Israel now?.........We Christians are the Israelites of God, the Overcomers for Him. The Jewish State of Israel is a fake and will soon be gone. Zephaniah 1:1-18, Isaiah 22:1-14
We ALL have the Great Commission. Matthew 28:19-20
I agree about political Zion not being the nation of Israel. And the church replaced Israel matt 21:43 matt 16:18
the church
the new covenant
The kingdom
The vineyard
The household of faith
The body of Christ
The New Jerusalem (mother of us all gal 4)
Are all the same!
all established by Christ 2000 yrs ago
Matt 6:33 how can you seek what does not exist? matt 16:18 I give you the keys of a kingdom that does not exist?
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. (Hebrews 5:12-6:3)
Once you see that the Nicolaitans in your church do not want you learning these things, and instead want to keep you from suckling on milk, your only response is to divert to things you know. Your church does not teach the fulness of Christ, it never has and neither have many Protestant denominations grasped this. If the Holy Ghost is an "earnest" a down payment, what does the full payment look like? Is the high calling of Christ Just for the "elect" or the Clergy class, or for all the faithful in Christ Jesus?
Read Philippians 3:12-21.
Read again Romans 8
Read 1John 3:1-3
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. (Hebrews 2:10-11)
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