Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Tell that to the "christian" Presidents of the US (Bush, etc), the Popes, Pence (Catholic), Biden (Catholic), Rev Donnelly, Rick Warren, etc.

I think it smacks of classical Catholic "clergy can't be involved in politics", & Jehovah's Witness "christians shouldn't be involved in politics or wars", & American "separation of church and state".

I don't think you are right or that your rigid interpretation and application of those verses are right. But I don't have the time and ability (thanks to fluoridation etc hindering my brain abilities) and knowledge to refute. Even if we accept you may be right I don't see you showing what we supposed to do instead when we are suffering mean cruel injust wrongs & social injustices? The church is supposed to be an alternative community which takes care of its own, but sadly it is not so, and its not like we can form our own communities (without being branded a cult). Its not just supposed to be all words (sermons) and no deeds/works.

I don't see that it makes any difference whether they are ordained as clergy or not. If clergy are not allowed to be involved in "politics" or social or civil issues then lay christians shouldn't either by the same token as being soldiers of christ, etc. They should not be allowed to vote either.

Popes have been secretly dabbling in the affairs of kings and leaders for centuries. Revelation says that the harlot Babylon/Rome rides the beast and influences kings and princes and nations. Just some examples:

Pope John 23 intervended Cuban missle crisis 1962.
The choice of Wojtyla as pope (JP2), and his "soft/smart power" and his visit to Poland in 1979 are claimed to be major reasons for fall of Iron curtain & end of cold war in 1989.
Bush visits Pope JP2 at Castel Gandolfo 2001
Pope JP2 visted 129 countries.
2005 pope funeral "broadcast to every corner of the globe".
Bush & Clinton pay respects to Pope John Paul 2005
2008 Benedict & Muslims solemn declaration/agreement.
2009 Benedict xvi encyclical "super-UN".
"2010: Pope Benedict XVI received by Queen Elizabeth at Holyrood Palace at the start of his state visit to Great Britain."
2010 Pope Benedict addresses both houses UK Parliament.
2013 Pope Francis advises US & Cuba to exchange prisoners.
"In December 2014, after the secret meetings, it was announced that Obama, with Pope Francis as an intermediary, had negotiated a restoration of relations with Cuba, after nearly sixty years of détente."
Pope Francis person of the year on cover of Time a magazine.
2014 "pope" Francis gives orb with cross on it to Queen Elizabeth which bbc said symbolizes "christian" royal dominion over the globe/world.
[Pope Francis "new global authority", "fix world" 2015?]
2016 Presidential candidate Sandars and his wife are outspokenly pro-Pope.
2016 Trump retracts his criticism of Pope. Pence is Catholic.

Most of the US presidents and candidates of the last few decades have links with the pope.
Looks to me pretty much like the popes majorly influence political and social issues. Of course they don't get arrested because they have such influence that they don't need to be, and they cleverly say others are the ones being disobedient.
If clergy/ministers are not allowed to be openly involved in political/social/civil issues then why should popes be allowed to have such influence on leaders behind the scenes? Its even worse because its secret and the popes and presidents etc don't admit it.
I don't see how you can accuse and judge MKL. I don't see you saying anything he did wrong except "shouldn't be involved in political/social/civil issues" and "disobedience".
MLK didn't do any worse than many other Western World so-called "christian" and catholic leaders who have been doing heaps of harm especially the last few decades. I can show far more evidences of wrongs done by them than you have for MLK.

Melchizedek was a king and priest.
Eli was high priest and judge.
The Maccabees were high priests and kings.
Messianics/christians are "kings and priests".
Jesus is king and priest and prophet and messiah and rabbi.
The Queen of UK is queen and head of the Anglican church as 'defender of the faith'.

Webers_Home said:

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• 2Tim 2:3-7 . . No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs--
he wants to please his commanding officer.

A soldier's primary responsibility is to accomplish the mission assigned by
their commanders. They don't give themselves leave to abandon their posts
to go off on their own personal agenda doing other stuff. Desertion and
dereliction of duty are courts martial offenses.

Christian men, ordained to serve Christ as per the epistles of Titus,
1&2Timothy and to some extent 1Peter, have no business involving
themselves in the world's affairs and or using their pulpits for any other
purpose than what Christ expects.

• 1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging
the believers, and teaching them.

According to Eph 4:11-15 God gives ministers to the churches for the
express purpose of building them up in the faith, NOT for leading them into
secular causes.

I truly believe that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr had stayed in church and
complied with the Bible's instructions for ordained Christian ministers as per
the epistles of Titus, 1&2Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter instead of
getting involved in political activism, social justice, and/or civil disobedience,
he could have served Christ another thirty-five years instead of getting
himself assassinated when he was only 39 years old.

Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for
Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral
responsibilities. He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ
second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister.

Moral of the story is: nobody is twisting anybody's arm to commit to a
ministry; but once the commitment is made: then they'd do well to hold
fast, stay the course, and not get distracted.

• Luke 9:62 . . No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit
for service in the kingdom of God.
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MLK was a Communist ! a filthy rat bag that robbed the Church raped many and played up like a goose, he was in bed with Islam as well. a very bad man that all around him who knew him said so, and this has been hidden from the public by laws that are to be release at a date set, from a show that I seen on TV documenting his life.

"was a communist"

If you are so anti communist then you should be anti this western world regime as it is half communist (eg water fluoridation, internationalist multi-culturalism, etc). And capitalism is just as bad, and this regime is half capitalist.

"was in bed with Islam"

So is this western world regime which has many Moslems and Mosques in many countries.
So is the pope: "2008 Benedict & Muslims solemn declaration/agreement."

Mosheli said:

"was a communist"

If you are so anti communist then you should be anti this western world regime as it is half communist (eg water fluoridation, internationalist multi-culturalism, etc). And capitalism is just as bad, and this regime is half capitalist.

"was in bed with Islam"

So is this western world regime which has many Moslems and Mosques in many countries.
So is the pope: "2008 Benedict & Muslims solemn declaration/agreement."

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I do not support the Anti-Christ in the system, I see it for what it truly is.

Capitalist ? corruption within a system can be a problem, but one need to have the freedom as to point such out as it can be open to criminally insane intent to undermine such a system.

Communism ? there is nothing good in such a system at all, it's a system for trash people. as that's what it's foundations are all about.

Webers_Home said:

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Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for
Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral
responsibilities.

He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ
second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister.
Moral of the story is: nobody is twisting anybody's arm to commit to a
ministry; but once the commitment is made: then they'd do well to hold
fast, stay the course, and not get distracted.

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Are you serious? Is this a planted test to make Christians out to be racist and uneducated? I hope this isn't real.

What about white and black Christians being able to be brothers and sisters and Christ, being able to worship together, being able to preach together, being able to just sit down next to each other ISN'T part of God's will? What part of the Bible says we were supposed to be divided and separated as the body of Christ? HMM?

You think that he died because he was doing something wrong and THAT is shameful?

Did you miss John 15:13? "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Sorry, but if ones man's death changed the course of history so much that we could ALL join together as a family, like we are, I feel like Christ's will would bring the body of Christ together to worship truth and love and not divided it, so I strongly believe that he was doing God's' work whether it was in the traditional form or not. Obviously, the traditional way wasn't working, or racial segregation in the churches would have never existed.