A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

Hidden In Him · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
Yes, they would rather believe the lie.

This forum is the evidence, you dont want the truth just like the pharisees whop got offended when it was put before them,

You haven't put anything before me, Mr.Health. Just a column of scriptures with zero application on what they actually mean.

jaybird said:
if i create a house and create the structure through a perfect image, who made the house, me or the image?

Jesus is an image? That's the only way this argument would have any value whatsoever.

As an analogy, it's a very poor one.

jaybird · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Jesus is an image? That's the only way this argument would have any value whatsoever.

As an analogy, it's a very poor one.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Hidden In Him · Jan 24, 2021

jaybird said:
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

A Ha Ha!! Ok, only you are using the word "image" here in a sense that's completely foreign to the text. By "image," Paul meant that, as a Son, He bears the image of His Father. But he was talking about a person here, not some inanimate blueprint on a desk.

You do agree that this is abusing the meaning of a word in its context to fit a certain theological narrative, yes?

friend of · Jan 24, 2021

John 8:24

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

WaterSong said:
I rebuke the one here who calls God a liar.

And you know you are not teh one because,???? , you read the bible... and how does that make you right...

WaterSong · Jan 24, 2021

justbyfaith said:
I'm not sure I understand your question.

Jesus does not agree that there is no Trinity (see Matthew 28:19).

What of Peter, whom Jesus had instructed in The Way, and as such did baptize in the name of just the father in Acts 2:38? And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28 isn't telling teaching the Trinity. The Trinity doctrine entered scripture some 400 years after Christ. It has a historic presence in the canon.
Whereas Jesus (the) Christ was God incarnate, in the flesh. And as was witnessed by those attending including John the Baptist, when Jesus was Baptized by him, Holy Spirit God descended upon Jesus in the form of a dove. To give a visual presence to the teaching of Jesus as pertains to be Baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And there it was. Jesus, the Messiah/teacher, baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit. Coupled with the voice from Heaven affirming the same. This is my son in whom I am well pleased.
It was all what we're told in the OT. One God. Not three separate and distinct persons, ever.
Matthew 28 isn't teaching to baptize in the name of three separate and distinct persons. It is teaching Baptism occurs in the name of I Am, the One! That is Holy Spirit God, who on earth was the son of God, the son of man, Jesus.
If it was intended to communicate separate and distinct persons in Matthew 28 the instruction would have also included, son of man. In order to define, differentiate, the image and likeness of Christ appearance on earth.
God is Holy Spirit.
Ezekiel 36:26-27
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

In Matthew 6 Jesus taught his Disciples and others how to pray beginning with, our Father who art in Heaven....
Not, our Father, our Holy Spirit, and his son who art in Heaven....John 1 in the first five verses quashes the later interpolation that is the Trinity Doctrine.

justbyfaith said:
Yes, the Trinity declares not that the Father Son and Holy Ghost are separate but that they are distinct from one another.

And that is not at all true. The Trinity declares they are three separate and distinct persons.
Which is also untrue. John 1 assures that is a fact.

WaterSong · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
And you know you are not teh one because,???? , you read the bible... and how does that make you right...

Since I'm not reading Jaybird's blasphemy further, and you would know that because of my statement to that effect in my prior and last post to them, now you take it upon yourself to excerpt parts of that post to Jaybird and address them. I find that fascinating.

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
You haven't put anything before me, Mr.Health. Just a column of scriptures with zero application on what they actually mean.

Jesus is an image? That's the only way this argument would have any value whatsoever.

As an analogy, it's a very poor one.

Yet when you quote stuff it isnt??? or would you prefer

I set before you life and death choose life

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

WaterSong said:
Since I'm not reading Jaybird's blasphemy further, and you would know that because of my statement to that effect in my prior and last post to them, now you take it upon yourself to excerpt parts of that post to Jaybird and address them. I find that fascinating.

Blasphemy, where,, are you sure it is not you???

Hidden In Him · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
Yet when you quote stuff it isnt??? or would you prefer

I set before you life and death choose life

No, you set before me zero.

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
No, you set before me zero.

Well if thats what you consider Christ to be, many think of Him that way. Irrelevant they have their bible.

They worship me with their lips....

amadeus · Jan 24, 2021

justbyfaith said:
I disagree with you.

If a man simply opens his Bible and reads it, it is the living word of God as he reads it.

Everything in the Bible is the word of God.

And the end result between the way you see it and the way I do is?

Hidden In Him · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
Well if thats what you consider Christ to be,

Mr.Health, no offense, but you don't even BEGIN to present a theological argument from scripture. You don't engage in anything resembling genuine apologetics. You actually RUN from real apologetics on a continual basis, all while presenting yourself as a teacher of men. No wonder you grumble and complain about how "no one hears." It's because you never say anything.

Learn how to actually debate with people. Until you do, no one will be "hearing" you, and you will continue to go through life being miserable, and totally ineffective in ministry.

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Mr.Health, no offense, but you don't even BEGIN to present a theological argument from scripture. You don't engage in anything resembling genuine apologetics. You actually RUN from real apologetics on a continual basis, all while presenting yourself as a teacher of men. No wonder you grumble and complain about how "no one hears." It's because you never say anything.

Learn how to actually debate with people. Until you do, no one will be "hearing" you, and you will continue to go through life being miserable, and totally ineffective in ministry.

I wouldnt know what theology was, and would rather have nothing to do with it... I am no teacher and have never ever not one made that claim. EVER.

1Co_1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

but there are far to many smart men

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Mr.Health, no offense, but you don't even BEGIN to present a theological argument from scripture. You don't engage in anything resembling genuine apologetics. You actually RUN from real apologetics on a continual basis, all while presenting yourself as a teacher of men. No wonder you grumble and complain about how "no one hears." It's because you never say anything.

Learn how to actually debate with people. Until you do, no one will be "hearing" you, and you will continue to go through life being miserable, and totally ineffective in ministry.

No offense taken i care little whether you believe me or not, has no bearing on my place with Christ nor my salvation, it is you who has answer to Him for your "understanding" not me or any one else.

WaterSong · Jan 24, 2021

justbyfaith said:
I'm not sure I understand your question.

Jesus does not agree that there is no Trinity (see Matthew 28:19).

Or perhaps you misunderstand Matthew 28.
Father, son, holy spirit. Jesus was the father, Jesus was the Holy Spirit, Jesus was The Word made flesh; Logos. (John 1) The Word was in the beginning, The Word was with God and The Word was God.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The reason people mistakenly think that scripture above in 1 John is testamental proof of Trinity, is because of how it is worded.

But it is done so in order to deliver one image, One God, and based on the presumption that the hearers of the word in 1st John would know the teachings of Jesus prior to that passage so as to arrive at the understanding of One! Not three. Three that bear record. Three that were present in making the record of the New Covenant Jesus sealed with his blood as the Father, who is God, who is The Word (John1).
Even Jesus said of himself, I and the Father are one! (John 10)

Bible Gateway passage: John 1:1-5, Genesis 1 - English Standard Version

WaterSong · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
No offense taken i care little whether you believe me or not, has no bearing on my place with Christ nor my salvation, it is you who has answer to Him for your "understanding" not me or any one else.

What if it is you who is wrong?

Hidden In Him · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
I wouldnt know what theology was, and would rather have nothing to do with it... I am no teacher and have never ever not one made that claim. EVER.

Then stop posting on theological issues. Or did you not comprehend that this is what you are doing? Scripture says "Let there not be many teachers, for we shall receive the greater judgment." I don't post on doctrinal matters lightly because I know I will be held accountable to God. Do you? Or do you just think it is a wise decision to post away on doctrinal matters and argue with people for pages on end when you freely admit you are no theologian.

WaterSong · Jan 24, 2021

mjrhealth said:
I wouldnt know what theology was, and would rather have nothing to do with it... I am no teacher and have never ever not one made that claim. EVER.

1Co_1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

but there are far to many smart men

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

HiH would appear right. Even there you don't rightly debate what is put to you. You evade through the use of non-sequitur's.

sho · Jan 24, 2021

amadeus said:
The letter is the dead, or unopened, Bible. When and if it is quickened by the Holy Spirit, then it is the Word of God. The letter kills because people misuse or abuse it like Nehushtan!

The Word of God is never dead, but sometimes what we read in the Bible is Not the Word of God. Jesus being the Word of God, when He spoke, always spoke Living Words. We, when we speak, even if it is quoted verbatim from the Bible speak the Word of God ONLY IF it has been quickened by the Holy Spirit for us to speak it.

Do you testify that Jesus Christ is the God who came down from heaven and became flesh?

mjrhealth · Jan 24, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Then stop posting on theological issues

When did the truth become a theological issue or it the issue that it is the truth and you want to use theology, mens wisdom to negate it,

they would rather believe the lie, yes men...

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