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but is says just that you wont go to Him you think because you have the bible you know it all, you cant even scratch the surface with all your learning. And so you leave Him out.

" I read the bible so I am right", the catholics SDA JWS mormans penetcostals.. protestans all read that same book and all they did as christians do is divide Christ as if they could.

There is a day coming where HE will no longer stand knocking on mens doors, still today they wont let Him in.

Go away Jesus I have the WORD in my hand,,,, all you have is a book, but you dont have Him,

Sooo, in your mind we don't have Christ because we follow his words and somehow you do have Christ but deny who he is.
No rebutle necessary from either of us, your own thinking proves itself wrong.
Have a good day.
 

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I confess that Emmanuel (God with us) Yeshua bin Joseph, Jesus the Christ, was GOD in the flesh.

God is a Spirit (John 4:24) who inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15).

How do you explain this apart from making a distinction between the Father and the Son?

John's language then starts out with the fact that Jesus Christ emanates from God as the very living Word of God.

Your entire post that this was located in was good; however this statement is in alignment with gnostic teaching. But, thumbs up on all the rest.

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided.

This would indicate that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation and not eternally begotten as through some kind of created eternal mirror.

Of course, He still exists throughout eternity because He rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) to exist outside of time.

That is a whole lot of ifs you are listing.

No one dies with perfect doctrine. God knows teh heart and also is the one who teaches our inner man. If someone call s upon the Lord in faith trusting in HIs death and REsurrection. I for one am not going to worry how perfect their understanding is. the thief on the cross had no doctrine yet was saved!

That is not to excuse bad doctrine- but to recognize God knows the heart and will know the faith expressed.

All I'm saying is that if someone has the wrong Jesus they are not saved (2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

Correct, but are you going to tell a JW they are not saved, if they finally come to faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus, and accept Jesus is the Son of god but not God the son, that they are not saved until they fully grasp Jesus is God?

Yes, that is what I am going to faithfully tell them according to the teaching of holy scripture (John 8:24).

Salvation is based here:


Romans 10:9-11
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

If you call on the name of a Jesus who isn't God and able to save, you will not be saved.

Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

Don't you mean, Whosoever will call upon the name of 1/3 of the Lord (YHWH) will be saved?

Or, Whosoever will call upon the name of a 2nd Lord, also called YHWH, will be saved?

Please not that end bit,

I bolded it for you

The kjv is more accurate.

Here, I will bold the reality for you.

1Jo 4:2, Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3, And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


in mark 12 Jesus and the scribe (Jew) agree on nature of Most High

Which verse?

No, His word was with Him at the beginning so you see Christ never lied once, Before Abraham Was I am, because HE is the Word. You can read it for yourself.

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

doing just as God asked of Him

Joh_17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Just as was prophesied,

You agree that Jesus is the Word.

How is it that you do not agree that Jesus is God, in light of the following?

Jhn 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 90:2, Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


There is a day coming where HE will no longer stand knocking on mens doors, still today they wont let Him in.

Go away Jesus I have the WORD in my hand,,,, all you have is a book, but you dont have Him,

He is knocking on the door of your heart, @mjrhealth; and He is saying, I am the God who created you: won't you accept me as I am?

Mar 4:36, And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.
 
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Sooo, in your mind we don't have Christ because we follow his words and somehow you do have Christ but deny who he is.
No rebutle necessary from either of us, your own thinking proves itself wrong.
Have a good day.
What makes you think you need the bible if you Have Christ, what makes you think Christ needs the bible or is it unbelief, and where did I deny who He is... or are you so sure you havnt ....
 

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What makes you think you need the bible if you Have Christ, what makes you think Christ needs the bible or is it unbelief, and where did I deny who He is... or are you so sure you havnt ....

Ya you're one to speak about unbelief.
You've already exposed yourself as a false teacher/wolf in sheeps clothing
No need for anyone to reply now
Go on your way.
 

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Ya you're one to speak about unbelief.
You've already exposed yourself as a false teacher/wolf in sheeps clothing
No need for anyone to reply now
Go on your way.
bahhhhhhhh..

oh man so many are due for a huge awakening. than who will they run too.

Luk_13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
 

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bahhhhhhhh..

oh man so many are due for a huge awakening. than who will they run too.

Luk_13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
That kind of tactic might work for people who do not know that they know that they know that they are saved; but for people like me it runs off like water off of a duck's back.

You should take that scripture to heart in your own life, @mjrhealth; for if you do not believe that Jesus is the great I AM, you are going to die in your sins (John 8:24).
 

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Mat_1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Mar_10:47 And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me.

Mar_12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?

Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

2Ti_2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Rev_22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Jesus is nopt God HE came from God, See and a lightning bolt hasnt killed me and I am still saved.

Why would Paul say He was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh"?

Anyone speak like that about YOU? "oh yeah mjrhealth according to his humanity he was descended from George Washington" people would scratch their heads and say "what else was he made of?"

Son of God means He is God

What is YOUR son a donkey? you begot a man, God begot God.
 

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What makes you think you need the bible if you Have Christ, what makes you think Christ needs the bible or is it unbelief, and where did I deny who He is... or are you so sure you havnt ....
John 8:24-25
If you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who are you?

John 20:29
Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my GOD! Jesus saith unto him, Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!
 

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Then said they unto him, Who are you?

And Jesus said to Peter, who do you say that I am, Peter said you are Jesus the Christ the son of the living God,
And Jesus said , yes revealed to you by my father in heaven.

So is Jesus the father or is He not.

just want a simple answer
 

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And Jesus said to Peter, who do you say that I am, Peter said you are Jesus the Christ the son of the living God,
And Jesus said , yes revealed to you by my father in heaven.

So is Jesus the father or is He not.

just want a simple answer
Then YHWH said to me, 'Throw it to the potter, the glorious prize of which I am esteemed worthy by them!' And I took the 30 pieces of silver, and cast them into the temple of YHWH (Zech. 11:13)
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What will you give me, and I will deliver him to you? But they set him 30 pieces of silver" (Mt 26:15)
And he threw the 30 pieces of silver into the temple, and made away, and went and hanged himself (Mt 27:5])


and they will look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they will mourn over him like the mourning over the only son, and will grieve bitterly over him, as one grieves bitterly over the firstborn (Zech 12:10)
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Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and wailing because of him will be all the tribes of the land. Yea, Amen (Rev 1:7.)
 

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@Billy Evmur i forgot to mention, I have 3 sons, im 5'6" i have 2 sons 6'2" my middle son sounds just like me, not even my ex can tell us apart on the phone, but none of my sons are me, we disagree on many things.

Im just glad Jesus, God and the Holy spirit are all in agreement of one accord. Unlike men
 

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if you wher on that cross they would be looking at you,, did you Kill God, can men Kill God are we really that arrogant to think we can, can God deny God, can God seperate Himself from Himself, because He would have to, My God My God why has thou forsaken me. Or should it read, my self myself what have i forsaken myself, being God He could of removed that cup from Himself
 

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Then YHWH said to me, 'Throw it to the potter, the glorious prize of which I am esteemed worthy by them!' And I took the 30 pieces of silver, and cast them into the temple of YHWH (Zech. 11:13)
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What will you give me, and I will deliver him to you? But they set him 30 pieces of silver" (Mt 26:15)
And he threw the 30 pieces of silver into the temple, and made away, and went and hanged himself (Mt 27:5])


and they will look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they will mourn over him like the mourning over the only son, and will grieve bitterly over him, as one grieves bitterly over the firstborn (Zech 12:10)
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Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and wailing because of him will be all the tribes of the land. Yea, Amen (Rev 1:7.)
You still have not answered teh question, is Jesus the father or not, yes or no.
 

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And Jesus said to Peter, who do you say that I am, Peter said you are Jesus the Christ the son of the living God,
And Jesus said , yes revealed to you by my father in heaven.

So is Jesus the father or is He not.

just want a simple answer
"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest." The Gospel in Genesis: A Hidden Message – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House
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John 6:38
I came down from heaven.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 
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Correct, but are you going to tell a JW they are not saved, if they finally come to faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus, and accept Jesus is the Son of god but not God the son, that they are not saved until they fully grasp Jesus is God?

I think it can take a while for many new Christians to 'fully grasp' that Jesus is God.
 

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So he is the father...... He was never a man.... because HE was always God, so mankind killed God how arrogant. or is it we have 2 Gods

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God is Eternal All-Mighty Spirit, Creator and Maker of things For His pleasure.

Spirits have (living SOUL) Power (to think, see, speak, hear, smell, touch, feel emotions).
Spirits have the Power to influence.
Spirits have the Power to enter INTO men.
Spirits have the Power to APPEAR in FORMS;
as men, animals, or whatever they desire.

The Created Human man Can not SEE Spirits, as they ARE.
Spirits Taking upon themselves, (A FORM) IS How a Human man, is able to see a Spirit.

The Word of God, Anciently, came forth out from God, And Spoke directly to Gods CREATED man (Adam).

The Word of God, Historically, came forth out from God, And Spoke in Visions of specific men's minds.

The Word of God, in "particular last days", 2,000+ years Ago, came forth out from God, in A Flesh Body, of what? (An animal? Tree?),
No specifically "the God PREPARED LIKENESS AS A Human man"
Why?
To Teach mankind FACE to FACE, speaking Gods Truth.
Why?
-Because human men...Naturally FAIL to believe "without SEEING".
-Because only "particular men" having "visions", could NOT with great success, convince "other men", their visions were true.
-How DID God teach...to Believe "without" SEEING?
- Expressly- HEARING.
Hear what God Saying He "WILL DO"...
Hear from "other men"...
Read from "historical testimonies"...
*WATCH and SEE if it comes to pass.

•Humans HAVE the Power TO KILL FLESH.
•Gods Word coming forth out from Gods Mouth...Came Among Human men, in the very Likeness of "particular Human men"...
The Jewish Race. The last remaining Established "cohesive", (surely identifiable), Tribe OF Judah (of the original Tribes Established and Scattered).

• Gods Word, came to Earth in a FLESH BODY Likeness of men, Expressly to speak to men, face to face, teach, reveal secrets hidden from ancient OT men, and
•BE an Example for human men Could SEE, what would Become of A MAN...that Accepts, Chooses, Commits, The Lord God Almighty As "A man's God".

THAT Prepared BODY OF FLESH...that the Word of God Took upon himself...
IS what WAS Expressly Given TO BE KILLED....BY Human men.

Human men CAN ONLY...KILL FLESH BODIES.
Human men CAN NOT KILL:
Souls.
Human men (nor God Himself), CAN KILL Gods HOLY Created SPIRITS.

No... God did NOT Die.
The Flesh Body God prepared (in the Flesh and Likeness As A human man Died and Rose up In A Glorified Body)
The Visual, with Witnesses recorded Testimonies, "anyone" can choose to believe...or Not...
Expressly revealed what "any man" can Trust is Gods Will for men Commited To the Lord God Almighty...or Not.

God IS Spirit...
God cannot Die.
Men can not kill souls.
Gods Soul cannot Die.

Names, Titles, Descriptions of God, are at His choosing. (And the same applies to men)
Until the Day...
God shall reveal His New Name to All Converted Glorified men...as well as All New Names for such men, as chosen By God Himself.

Glory to God,
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the Holy Spirit

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I agree, but everyone who has heard of the Holy Spirit believes they have Him. I was thinking more of a doctrinal dividing line
 

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You still have not answered teh question, is Jesus the father or not, yes or no.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which is translated God with us.
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Matthew 28:20
And behold, I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age.
 
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I agree, but everyone who has heard of the Holy Spirit believes they have Him. I was thinking more of a doctrinal dividing line
GINOLJC, to all

First thanks for the reply. you're correct, some believe they have the Holy Spirit, but do they have "FAITH" in him? this one verse sums it up, Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." yes, they believe, but without Faith it's impossible to please him, so they go without.

many believe, that's good, but do they "KNOW" him....... or really TRUST him. for the Holy Spirit is a HELPER. the helper don't do it for you, but help you do whatever you're trying to do. and if you ain't doing anything, then the helper has nothing do.

this trust/faith in him, instead of man wisdom, will cover the doctoral line. scripture, Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."

the he here, is the Holy Spirit. and as you said, many are divided on doctrine because no Holy Spirit in them to teach and guide them. many rely on man wisdon, so you're correct, when they need to rely on God's Wisdom, other words BELIEVE God. so that area you're correct.


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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"