Hebrews 10:26-31
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Ferris Bueller
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You're ignoring the "through faith" part of the verse (by the way, so does Andrew Farley). You did not highlight it.
The keeping power of God comes to us "through faith". Peter says we are kept by the power of God THROUGH FAITH. You have to have faith to have the keeping power of God. You say you do not.
Ferris Bueller
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Paul said there is no boast in having faith. Boasting is excluded in justification by faith....
...so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Romans 3:27
Ferris Bueller
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You reject the Biblical teaching that you 'make your calling and election sure' by doing works.
What is it you assume I ignore? Such things people say!
Do you really know what is in my mind? I don't think so.
Do you have the idea that your faith comes from you? It doesn't.
That's one reason why true saving faith isn't like a water faucet that you turn on and off.
Let's take a look at that passage again.
1 Peter 1:3-5
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Identifying 'you', "for you". This tells us "Who" refers to. You. Are kept by the power of God. Who is doing what? God is keeping you. How? By His power. What is the process, the mechanism? Through faith.
"it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me, and the life I live, I live by the faith of the Son of God"
"to each is given a measure of faith"
"looking unto Jesus, the originator and finisher of our faith"
Here is a verse that is new to me in this regard,
2 Corinthians 10:15
15) Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
"Increased" is in the Passive Voice, that is, this isn't something one does themself, it is done to them. We receive the increase of our faith.
It's like in Romans, Abraham,
Romans 4:20
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
This also is Passive Voice. Abraham was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God. God did it. He receives the glory.
And so with we ourselves. We do not keep ourselves saved through our keeping ourselves believing. We have received the reconciliation, and God has given us birth, His children.
Much love!
Are you of the mind that this mean to make it certain? Something you can know for sure?
The word itself means to make something stable, firm, steadfast. When you follow the usage in Scripture, the idea is to make something solid and unmoving. Something that can't be shaken or tumbled.
2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
You calling and your election, make these solid in your life. You may have erroneous ideas about yourself.
2 Peter 1:8-10
8) For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9) But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Remember you've been cleansed from your old sins. Be diligent at making your calling and election solid and firm.
These things, if they be in you, and abound, you will be fruitful. If you do them, you shall never stumble.
Much love!
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Just the same, if you are of the mind that you are keeping yourself saved by making sure you continue to have 'saving faith' than this is nonetheless a "reward for performance" system.
We receive God's reconciliation when we believe it's real, and want it. Want Him.
God changes us, births us, new creatures, not like the old. Nothing like the old. God gives us faith. Jesus is called the originator and finisher of our faith.
Much love!
This is really the bottom line here to me. Either our salvation is something we did or are doing, or something God did, or does.
We stagger not at the promises of God as He strengthens us in faith, and this too gives God the glory.
Much love!
And you reject, “ By Grace ye are Saved , through Faith and not by Works, lest any man should boast”
Behold
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No,
you have to be born again, to stay saved, and that happened when you FIRST Believed.
God took this faith, and gave you "the gift of Righteousness", and that is to BE born again.
That happened ONCE.
Believed on Jesus, and that FAITH......that ONE TIME, was received by God, as that is what He requires to then give you the "gift of Righteousness".
This GIFT of Righteousness, IS Salvation. As to be "made RIGHTEOUS", is to BE saved..
That happened once, with being born again as PROOF< and that new birth placed that BORN AGAIN SPIRIT into GOD's Spirit, and that is where the believer remains.....as 'in CHRIST".
So, when you try to stay saved by "believing", then believing has become your savior.
However....God is the Savior.
Not "believing".
Being born again is WHY you KNOW you are saved, as its the ONLY PROOF.
Behold
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Salvation is what God did on the Cross, continued with Death, and proven by Resurrection.
That is Salvation.
It occurred 2000+ yrs ago.
Its not something we do, its something that God as Christ completed....as "the FINISHED WORK of JESUS on The Cross".
Its currently offered to the world as : "the GIFT of Salvation".
And if you are born again, then you have the gift, and you are going to heaven.
Behold
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Ferris Bueller
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It means the person who wants to do right sins is doing it because of the flesh, not because he's seeking to sin. He's doing it out of ignorance of who and what he is in Christ.
That's in contrast to the person who thinks they're saved in their willful deliberate sinning. That person's mind is set on the flesh. They will not be saved when Jesus comes back. That is an unbeliever. That's the willfully sinning person in Hebrews 10:26. He's not willing to serve the Lord. He's out to serve the flesh in a rejection of Christ. His life of sin is the evidence of his rejection of Christ.
Ferris Bueller
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Behold
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You make a nonsense distinction between types of sinning, yet God does not charge any sin to the born again.
Romans 4:8.
But if you were a unsaved Hebrew who "trod underfoot the blood of Jesus" "crucifying him Afresh" by your " willful" sin of Christ rejection, then Paul would have told you what He told them about 2000 yrs ago.. in Hebrews 10.
"there remains no more sacrifice for your sin".
That doesn't really address the statement Paul makes.
Paul wrote, It is no longer I, but sin that lives in me.
What you wrote above, it's as if he has said, It's still me, but because of my flesh. But that's opposite what Paul wrote.
Romans 7:16-20
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
He's not saying he sins, because his flesh makes him sin. He says, it's no longer him that does it, but sin that lives in him.
Do you see the distinction?
Much love!
Behold
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Listen.
Take Christ off the Cross, and put Him back into Heaven.
Take the Blood atonement away from John 3:16.
Now believe....believe and believe some more and hold unto your faith.
Will it save you or keep you saved?
NOT A CHANCE. !
You need to figure this out, asap.
Ferris Bueller
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I know that I have not rejected that. How do I know? I live the ever increasing righteous life of a saved person. If I still lived in sin that is how I would know you, or I, have rejected 'by grace through faith'. But as it is, I have a new life, so I know I have believed the gospel of salvation by grace through faith.
1 John 3:9-10
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child
Any lost sinful fool can claim they are saved by grace. Talk don't mean nothing. Salvation is evidenced by the new life. Apparently, your buddy Andrew Farley does not know this truth is in the Bible. He can't teach anything he himself does not know.
Ferris Bueller
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Believing is how I got saved. I had to believe in order to be saved. But that was not me earning salvation then. But having to continue in that very same believing is now suddenly me earning my own salvation?
Behold
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The issue for the legalist, isn't living in sin.
Its "falling from Grace".
And that is proven when a person exits to try to deceive real believers by trying to convince them that they can lose their salvation.
So, a person who lives on Forums to do that, is a deceived person, a worker of iniquity, as its deep iniquity to want to harm real believers by contradicting the Grace of God openly, and continually, in public.
Believe it.
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