Hebrews 10:26-31

Ferris Bueller · Jan 26, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Jesus Saves, BUT ya gotta refrain from any Willful Sins in your lifetime because the Blood is too weak to cover those”........

Willful sin is equivalent to rejecting Christ. It's unbelief. Jesus himself said that there is no forgiveness for willfully rejecting the testimony of the Holy Spirit. What that means is there is no sacrifice remaining for the person who willfully sins in the face of God's grace.

26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains Hebrews 10:26

That's not adding to the gospel. That's rejecting the gospel altogether. You can't reject the gospel by willfully sinning in the face of God's grace and expect to be saved when Jesus comes back. His sacrifice doesn't cover that sin.

Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
Have you ever heard the phrase, "majoring in a minor"?

Let's major in the necessity to keep believing until Jesus comes back, instead of minoring in whether or not the true believer can stop believing. Regardless of what you think about if the true believer can really stop believing or not, it doesn't change the fact that you have to believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back. What good does it do to know the truth about if you can stop believing or not, but then neglect the truth that you have to keep believing to the very end? No good of course. But that is exactly what the church is doing today. We major in minors.

All truth are equally important to me, of not to you.

<<<Let's major in the necessity to keep believing until Jesus comes back>>>

As I said, continuing to believe to the end is a given or is part of the nature of true faith.

<<<What good does it do to know the truth about if you can stop believing or not, but then neglect the truth that you have to keep believing to the very end?>>>

I’ve already answered this in one of our exchanges. I don’t know why you just keep asking it.

You give me the impression that you seem to be selective of truth, majoring on those which you think you gain something out of and minoring, if not altogether do not care about, on those which think you gain nothing out of.

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justbyfaith · Jan 26, 2021

Tong2020 said:
<<<Let's major in the necessity to keep believing until Jesus comes back>>>

As I said, continuing to believe to the end is a given or is part of the nature of true faith.

Therefore, if you should end up not believing to the end, it would be a sign that you never had true faith; no matter if you thought your faith was true up to that point or not.

The point being that if you never had true faith, as evidenced by the fact that you do not continue in the faith, your response should be to place your faith in Jesus for the first time (while you may think that you had faith in Him before, it was not valid because you ceased from faith).

And of course the problem with this theology is that, if you thought that you had faith before and it wasn't genuine, how can you know that your faith is genuine now, if you place your faith in Jesus now?

Only if your faith is a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

But how can you know that it is this kind of faith unless you have already endured to the end...?

Therefore your theology is not conducive to assurance of salvation.

Nevertheless it is written,

1Th 1:5, For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

Here is how you can have assurance of salvation.

Just know that you are currently abiding in Christ and ask Him to seal you with the Holy Spirit so that you can know that you will continue to abide until the end of your days (1 John 3:22; see also Romans 11:20-22).

If you abide in Christ to the end of your days, you will enter in to the kingdom (Matthew 10:22).

Of course you can know that you have everlasting life from the moment of first faith (John 5:24 (kjv)).

Nevertheless, there is a kind of faith that will fall away when temptation comes (Luke 8:13).

Is it saving faith? I think that it is. It had the power to save the man from his sins (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14) for a season.

It just didn't save him from the ultimate destination of hell.

Ferris Bueller · Jan 26, 2021

Tong2020 said:
You give me the impression that you seem to be selective of truth, majoring on those which you think you gain something out of and minoring, if not altogether do not care about, on those which think you gain nothing out of.

I just know that the church likes to take comfort in theologies that don't matter to salvation while neglecting the ones that do.

Ferris Bueller · Jan 26, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Sounds good, doesn’t it? In reality, it’s a “False and Perverted” Gospel......find out what happens to those that Teach a False Gospel....( hint:it ain’t pretty) Gal1:8......

I guess there really is a sin God's grace can't cover for someone who has believed, contrary to what you've been bloviating about. I guess teaching a works gospel is the one sin someone who has believed commits that God's grace is too weak to cover. You really should stop adding to the gospel, BB, lol.

justbyfaith · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
I guess there really is a sin God's grace can't cover for someone who has believed, contrary to what you've been bloviating about. I guess teaching a works gospel is the one sin someone who has believed commits that God's grace is too weak to cover. You really should stop adding to the gospel, BB, lol.

Love it!

Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
My response to God's gift of faith comes from me. That's why it can in fact be turned on and off like a faucet. The Galatians turned the faucet of faith off in favor of a law keeping gospel. The Corinthians turned the faucet of faith off in favor of a gospel of a Christ that did not rise from the dead (and thus could not accomplish what his resurrection accomplishes). Every person who rejects the testimony of the Holy Spirit about Jesus is shutting the faucet of faith off and choosing to respond to it in unbelief.

<<<My response to God's gift of faith comes from me.>>>

Of course. You are the one who responded. But did you ever think about how you were able to respond positively?

<<<That's why it can in fact be turned on and off like a faucet. >>>

And that tells us what you think of yourself in that regard. And that also tells us what you think of the power of God in salvation.

Tong
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mjrhealth · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
that God's grace is too weak to cover.

You mean a bit like those who dont believe God can keep one in salvation, which is worse, it all comes down to "unbelief" which is sin, because it says "you dont believe God".. donty you believe Him or His power to do as HE said.

justbyfaith · Jan 26, 2021

Tong2020 said:
<<<My response to God's gift of faith comes from me.>>>

Of course. You are the one who responded. But did you ever think about how you were able to respond positively?

<<<That's why it can in fact be turned on and off like a faucet. >>>

And that tells us what you think of yourself in that regard. And that also tells us what you think of the power of God in salvation.

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It is not what we think of ourselves; it is what we think of God's scheme of things. We believe that He has set it up so that man can have free will and is able to make a choice as to whether he will walk in righteousness towards salvation or not.

Psa 50:23, Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

BloodBought 1953 · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
Willful sin is equivalent to rejecting Christ. It's unbelief. Jesus himself said that there is no forgiveness for willfully rejecting the testimony of the Holy Spirit. What that means is there is no sacrifice remaining for the person who willfully sins in the face of God's grace.

26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains Hebrews 10:26

That's not adding to the gospel. That's rejecting the gospel altogether. You can't reject the gospel by willfully sinning in the face of God's grace and expect to be saved when Jesus comes back. His sacrifice doesn't cover that sin.

All of this is completely Unbiblical....Newbies to the Faith, please notice that he can’t even defend his first sentence with Scripture....this “ willful sin is equal to rejecting Christ”....? It’s one Heck Of a claim...prove it shut up about it.....opinions don't mean anything in here....prove what you say with Scripture, like I’m about to do....
Col2:13......He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us ALL of our Trespasses” The Greek Word That is translated “ All” means EVERYTHING a person could possibly think of....
If our confused , poorly self-taught friend Mr. Bueller would ever bother to read the 9 chapters that PRECEDED Hebrews Chapter 10..... he would discover that the only sin that is being discussed is the Sin Of UNBELIEF , and yes , THAT sin will get you damned .....If one goes their ENTIRE LIFETIME hearing the Gospel and Rejecting the Gospel ( 1Cor15:1-4 ) ......they will go to Hell. The audience in this book is , SURPRISE! ...HEBREWS! These unbelievers in Jesus Rejected the Gospel and proved it by going back to Temple Worship which included sacrificing animals for Sin.....Jesus, not goats and sheep anymore, was the “ ONE TIME” Offering for Sin.....any other Sacrifice, this side of the Cross was a waste of time.....there was “ no more sacrifice for sin” , other than Jesus .....put your Faith in “that” Sacrifice alone or be guilty of the Sin Of Unbelief.....
As I have said.....it’s so simple a five year old could understand it.....unless you are wrongly self-taught and Stiff-Necked......This would be Mr.Bueller’s problem, please don’t let it be yours....He is forced to Twist the Entire Bible to accommodate just ONE misunderstood verse....He fails to “Rightly Divide” God’s Word.....

Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Therefore, if you should end up not believing to the end, it would be a sign that you never had true faith; no matter if you thought your faith was true up to that point or not.

More than a sign, but the truth concerning one’s profession and claim of believing in Christ.

justbyfaith said:
The point being that if you never had true faith, as evidence by the fact that you do not continue in the faith, your response should be to place your faith in Jesus for the first time (while you may think that you had faith in Him before, it was not valid because you ceased from faith).

And of course the problem with this theology is that, if you thought that you had faith before and it wasn't genuine, how can you know that your faith is genuine now, if you place your faith in Jesus now?

The same way it was before. What true faith is remains the same.

justbyfaith said:
Only if your faith is a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

But how can you know that it is this kind of faith unless you have already endured to the end...?

The answer is in your question. He is assured in and by God, not because he continue to believe, but because God is faithful and true.

justbyfaith said:
Therefore your theology is not conducive to assurance of salvation.

Nevertheless it is written,

1Th 1:5, For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake

Here is how you can have assurance of salvation.

Just know that you are currently abiding in Christ and ask Him to seal you with the Holy Spirit so that you can know that you will continue to abide until the end of your days (1 John 3:22; see also Romans 11:20-22).

If you abide in Christ to the end of your days, you will enter in to the kingdom (Matthew 10:22).

Of course you can know that you have everlasting life from the moment of first faith (John 5:24 (kjv)).

I can see that you understand now what true faith is.

justbyfaith said:
Nevertheless, there is a kind of faith that will fall away when temptation comes (Luke 8:13).

Is it saving faith? I think that it is. It had the power to save the man from his sins (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14) for a season.

It just didn't save him from the ultimate destination of hell.

That faith you are talking about, isn’t true faith. And what is not true faith is a false one. And what is not true is not of God.

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BloodBought 1953 · Jan 26, 2021

Ferris Bueller said:
I guess there really is a sin God's grace can't cover for someone who has believed, contrary to what you've been bloviating about. I guess teaching a works gospel is the one sin someone who has believed commits that God's grace is too weak to cover. You really should stop adding to the gospel, BB, lol.

Tell it to Paul, not me.....I am just quoting what he said in Galatians....Logic would dictate that anybody who “ teaches” a False Gospel would have to be somebody that was never a True Believer....only God can “ open the Heart”, like he did for Lydia , for one to be Receptive to the True Gospel Of Grace .....looks like God did not do the “ Heart Change” on those who later were declared “ Accursed”....They could not just leave things with “ Nothing But The Blood”....Sound familiar?

BloodBought 1953 · Jan 26, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Love it!

I would imagine any “ Gospel Perverter “ like yourself , would do just that ! Tell u s all about your “ Lucky Repentance” Damnable Doctrine.....you don’t seem to touch much upon it these days ....you NOR your fellow Gospel Perverter , The proudly “ self-taught” , Mr. Beuller ——- “ self - taught” , and it shows.....
Where did you get “ your” teaching, justbyfaithplusluckytepentance? That Jack-Ass , Jimmy Swaggert?

Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Love it!

Click to expand...

Just curious. What do you love about it?

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

mjrhealth said:
You mean a bit like those who dont believe God can keep one in salvation, which is worse, it all comes down to "unbelief" which is sin, because it says "you dont believe God".. donty you believe Him or His power to do as HE said.

Some believe that after God saved the man, the rest is up to them and is in their hands. I don’t.

Some believe that while God has the power to saved the man, that He somehow does not have the power or is weak to keep the man. I don’t.

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Tong2020 · Jan 26, 2021

justbyfaith said:
It is not what we think of ourselves; it is what we think of God's scheme of things. We believe that He has set it up so that man can have free will and is able to make a choice as to whether he will walk in righteousness towards salvation or not.

Psa 50:23, Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

So, you don’t want to tell me how you were able to respond positively?

Well....

Tong
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mjrhealth · Jan 26, 2021

Tong2020 said:
Some believe that after God saved the man, the rest is up to them and is in their hands. I don’t.

Some believe that while God has the power to saved the man, that He somehow does not have the power or is weak to keep the man. I don’t.

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Amen. Once saved, sin is no longer our concern, it is Gods good pleasure to save us, as you said His faithfulness

HisLife · Jan 26, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
I would imagine any “ Gospel Perverter “ like yourself , would do just that ! Tell u s all about your “ Lucky Repentance” Damnable Doctrine.....you don’t seem to touch much upon it these days ....you NOR your fellow Gospel Perverter , The proudly “ self-taught” , Mr. Beuller ——- “ self - taught” , and it shows.....
Where did you get “ your” teaching, justbyfaithplusluckytepentance? That Jack-Ass , Jimmy Swaggert?

He said something The other Day I had never heard of, So I copy and pasted it to look into it and it turns out Benny Hinn Came up with the term

justbyfaith · Jan 26, 2021

HisLife said:
He said something The other Day I had never heard of, So I copy and pasted it to look into it and it turns out Benny Hinn Came up with the term

What term was that?

justbyfaith · Jan 26, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
I would imagine any “ Gospel Perverter “ like yourself , would do just that ! Tell u s all about your “ Lucky Repentance” Damnable Doctrine.....you don’t seem to touch much upon it these days ....you NOR your fellow Gospel Perverter , The proudly “ self-taught” , Mr. Beuller ——- “ self - taught” , and it shows.....
Where did you get “ your” teaching, justbyfaithplusluckytepentance? That Jack-Ass , Jimmy Swaggert?

I pray that the Lord will abundantly bless you and show you His kindness...

Because it is His kindness that leads us to repentance; and this is something that you severely need...

Hebrews 10:26-31

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