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(Rom 9:11) (for the children had not yet been born, neither had done any good or evil; but that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who called,)

(Rom 9:12) it was said to her, "The elder shall serve the younger."

(Rom 9:13) As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Before they were even born, God hated Esau and loved Jacob. And after they were born, too. James Dobson said, "I know of no other scripture that I have such a hard time with. This does not fit my understanding of God." What a sad, sad statement. He does not agree with God, and thus says that there is a problem with this scripture. We have all sorts of believers that do this, with all sorts of topics. Some discount up to 90% of the scriptures, simply because they do not agree with what the person believes to be the truth. We have this done in all sorts of topics, such as homosexuals, adultery, creations, etc..

God says that He hated Esau even while Esau as in the womb. And that He love Jacob while Jacob was in the womb.

Doesn't fit most believers beliefs. Most believers are wrong. God is right.

But most Christians are so blindly arrogant, that they will fly in the face of numerous scriptures, and state that they are more spiritual than God Himself, and of course, far more spiritual than those who believe the scriptures to be true when they state repeatedly that God hates the wicked.

But then again,, they are the same "Christians" that state that we don't have the mind of Christ. Obviously, according to scripture, they are speaking for themselves. They deny even those scriptures! There seems to be no limit to the scriptures that they will deny, even while professing Christ. Phenomenal blindness and hardness of heart.

And of course, they will try to pull another one and assume the "high road". Novel. And Christ said that they will reject the truth that is placed before them, and then turn against the person that gave the truth of the scriptures. Called them swine. He was right, of course.

Funny thing, that, since He was wrong on these other things like hating the wicked.
 

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Hey Surf!

God loves you and so do I! Revel in His Grace and forgiveness, brother!

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I read this lesson, and wanted to share this with more believers. I have heard that God loves everyone. Hopefully this lesson will give light to those that believe God loves everyone!!!
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Does God Love Everyone?

Christendom repeatedly say things like, “God loves us all so much that He will save us all”; or “He hates the sin, but loves the sinner”; or "God is love, and will not send anyone to hell.” Christendom teaches that God is so full of love, and that He simply cannot send anyone to eternal hell fire. It is against His infinite love. They want God to forgive all, even those who openly reject Him and die cursing God. I must admit, it is nice to think of God's love being so infinitely great that all will ultimately be saved. The Lake of Fire (Hell) is a terrible place and I don't want anyone to go there, but it does not matter what I think. All that matters is what the Bible says. God is love: (1John:4:8), but God also punishes the sinner and hates all who do iniquity. God is not one sided. He is not simply an infinitely loving God. He is also infinitely just. He must deal with sin. He must punish the sinner. He cannot lie: (Titus1:2) “which God, that cannot lie,” In the truth of God's word, we find that the Lord has provided one way by which we may be saved. That single way is through Jesus' sacrifice. For all who trust in Him, and do His commandments, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God's wrath abides upon them: (John 3:36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
(Psalm 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
(Psalm11:5) The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
(Lev.20:23) “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.” (Prov 6:16-19) (v.16) These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him (v.17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(v.18) An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,(v.19) A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
(Hosea 9:15) All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, he does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart! It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart which is the mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. (Is.26:21) “For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:” Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Remember that: (Num.23:19) “God is not a man, that he should lie;”
God's Law is Perfect
When God said, (Gen 1:3) “Let there be light,” it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power. The Law is a reflection of God's character. It is pure: (Pro.30:5) “Every word of God is pure:” and perfect: (Psalm 19:7) “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:” It is powerful: (Heb 4:12) “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword,” The Ten Commandments reflect God's holiness and justice. These commandments are not without punishments. A law without consequences is only an empty slogan. To sin is to break God's Law- (1John 3:4) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law” - and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. Keep in mind, (He.6:18) “it was impossible for God to lie,” His word is true. (Is 55:11) “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it”. He has said it, and it will be accomplished. But, praise be to God, (Rom.5:6) “in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” There is no way we can be clean before God. That is why God became one of us (John 1:1,14; Heb.2:17), to take our place and become sin on our behalf (2 Cor.5:21). Therefore, people have two options: Trust Jesus, God in flesh, as your savior and put your faith in the sacrifice that He made on the cross and in nothing you do.
Reject Jesus and the sacrifice that He made and let the penalty of the Law fall upon you. Either God pays or you do, forever. Which will it be? (Heb 10:26) “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins”. If there is no sacrifice available for you, then God's wrath abides upon you because He hates sin and your sin is not removed (John 3:36). Trust Jesus alone or the wrath of God will abide upon you forever. The sobering fact is that God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5, Lev.20:23, Prov.6:16-19, Hos.9:15). Some may say that we should say that God only hates the sin, but loves the sinner. But the above scriptures speak contrary to that. (Pro.8:17) “I love them that love me;” (John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
It is better to accept the love of God found in Jesus than to reject it and suffer His wrath. I believe therefore I speak. Always remember that there is peace in Jesus. May the Lord God give skill and understanding to all who truly seek the truth.
In Jesus name, A-MEN.

This lesson was to enlighten other believers, just as I've been enlighten by the teaching and teachers from this website.....May the Lord have a blessing to the reading and doing of his word.
In Jesus name AMEN!!!!!


great lesson

I know it very well and its writer.

peace in Jesus name
 

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lets look at the punishment and the end result of the wicked and worker of iniquity!!!

Job said
Job 31:3
Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?

David said
Psalm 14:4
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon

Psalm 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

Psalm 36:12
There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.

Solomon said
Proverbs 21:15
It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

Jesus said
Luke 13

25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

God cannot love everyone!!
 

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God cannot love everyone!!



Just like some people stress how everyone (even those who hate God) are God's children. But that's not what the Word of God says. Some are the children of the devil.



John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


1 John 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.


John 8:38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."


John 8:41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


John 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.


John 6:70 Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"


Matthew 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,


Acts 13:10 "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?
 

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Just like some people stress how everyone (even those who hate God) are God's children. But that's not what the Word of God says. Some are the children of the devil.



John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


1 John 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.


John 8:38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."


John 8:41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


John 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.


John 6:70 Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"


Matthew 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,


Acts 13:10 "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?

Yet, God calls us to love our enemies.......is God capable of less?
 

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Yet, God calls us to love our enemies.......is God capable of less?


Like I said before...because some are children of the devil, that doesn't mean not to love everyone and be kind. As for your question, I don't even like to read those kinds of questions.
 

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Like I said before...because some are children of the devil, that doesn't mean not to love everyone and be kind. As for your question, I don't even like to read those kinds of questions.

Why do you not like reading these kind of questions? I think there are lots of people here who do not like to read them either and I am wondering why.
 

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Why do you not like reading these kind of questions? I think there are lots of people here who do not like to read them either and I am wondering why.


I don't like reading these kind of questions "is God capable of less?" We are not God! It is too disrepectful of a question, a question that shouldn't be asked.
 

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I don't like reading these kind of questions "is God capable of less?" We are not God! It is too disrepectful of a question, a question that shouldn't be asked.


Is God capable of less? Is a rhetorical question - it is supposed to verify that God loves His enemies, because He asked us to love our enemies. It is like asking if the Pope is catholic. Jesus used the same kind of language when He told his disciples in Luke 11:11“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?

 

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Is God capable of less? Is a rhetorical question - it is supposed to verify that God loves His enemies, because He asked us to love our enemies. It is like asking if the Pope is catholic. Jesus used the same kind of language when He told his disciples in [font="Verdana][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11:11&version=NIV"]Luke 11:1[/url]1[/font][font="Verdana]“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?[/font][/size]


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Like I said before...we are not God. Do the scriptures not tell us that God hates someone? Did you not read the scriptures yourself? the scriptures posted by xander, ozell and some of the others posted here? How about Hosea 9:15 and Psams 5:5?

Hosea 9:15 "Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there. Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.

And Psalms 5:5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.

Did not God flood the earth in the times of Noah? What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

What do you think of this passage?---

Hebrews 10:29 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [sup][b][size="2"]27
[/b][/sup] but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [sup]28[/sup] Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [sup]29[/sup] How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [sup]30[/sup] For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” [sup]31[/sup] It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Again, we are not God.
 

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Later the scriptures tell us that God so loved the world. Do you believe that Jesus died for those He does not love?
I believe that everyone will eventually accept, acknowledge and embrace what Christ did on the cross just as the scriptures declare.
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If you're saying that everyone will be saved then why are we wasting our time here?
 

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Like I said before...we are not God. Do the scriptures not tell us that God hates someone? Did you not read the scriptures yourself? the scriptures posted by xander, ozell and some of the others posted here? How about Hosea 9:15 and Psams 5:5?

Hosea 9:15 "Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there. Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.

And Psalms 5:5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.

Did not God flood the earth in the times of Noah? What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

What do you think of this passage?---

Hebrews 10:29 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [sup]27[/sup] but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [sup]28[/sup] Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [sup]29[/sup] How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [sup]30[/sup] For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” [sup]31[/sup] It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Again, we are not God.

So you have no problem with a Good God hating some of His creation and loving others? And asking us to love everyone one when He is not willing to do the same? I think your view of God is too small - you are filtering it through the prophets who are seeing through a veil just like we are.


It is easier to comprehend the nature of the Trinity than it is to comprehend a God who calls himself Good and hates people and tells all people to love one another - I would argue that a God who hates hie enemies could not conceive of the idea to tell he creation to love one another. Jesus tells us that to know Him is to know the Father - JEsus preached love and loving your neighbor as yourself.
 

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So you have no problem with a Good God hating some of His creation and loving others? And asking us to love everyone one when He is not willing to do the same? I think your view of God is too small - you are filtering it through the prophets who are seeing through a veil just like we are.


It is easier to comprehend the nature of the Trinity than it is to comprehend a God who calls himself Good and hates people and tells all people to love one another - I would argue that a God who hates hie enemies could not conceive of the idea to tell he creation to love one another. Jesus tells us that to know Him is to know the Father - JEsus preached love and loving your neighbor as yourself.


You say that I'm "filtering it through the prophets who are seeing through a veil just like we are."

Read this scripture....

2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

What do you think of 2 Corinthians 4:3?

Here Paul talks about people who are "perishing."

Are you going to judge Paul as being too hateful here? He is talking about people who are perishing.


Also, how do you get that the prophets were filtering God's word? So you do not believe those scriptures are God's words? Psalms 5:5? And all the others quoted in this thread? How about the whole Old Testament? Do you think those are God's words?

Read Jesus' words.....

Are they hard for you too to believe?---


John 15:10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands.


John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
 

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People are perishing, but it is not because God hates them or Paul. Both preach a gospel of love, some people do not receive it
 

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People are perishing, but it is not because God hates them or Paul. Both preach a gospel of love, some people do not receive it


What about the other questions? Can you try to answer them? And your answer here about people perishing doesn't fit with what you've been saying in other posts. So, you don't have a problem with people perishing?
 

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What about the other questions? Can you try to answer them? And your answer here about people perishing doesn't fit with what you've been saying in other posts. So, you don't have a problem with people perishing?

If you believe that I am preaching a hell-free gospel, you haven't been reading my posts.


 

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If you believe that I am preaching a hell-free gospel, you haven't been reading my posts.


Why are you switching like this? Aren't we talking about the scriptures that say God hates sinners? And why do you just post this to me? I've asked you questions you could of tried to answer.

People are perishing, but it is not because God hates them or Paul. Both preach a gospel of love, some people do not receive it


Why are people perishing then? Is it because they didn't remain in God's love? What does Jesus say in John 15:10? And John 14:15-23?
 

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Late to the party and I confess I haven't read everything but my opinion:

There is a general love of mankind as a "species", per say. I don't think anyone will disagree with this.

Does God love everyone to an extent he will bleed for all? No. I think the Bible is absolutely clear that the BLOOD OF GOD was spilled for "the few".






Matthew 26:28; “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the
forgiveness of sins.”
Why did Christ not use the word “all”?

Matthew 20:28; “The Son of Man came to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Romans 5:15; “God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ,
overflowed to many!”
Romans 5:19; “Through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.”
Hebrews 9:28; “So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many.”
Not “all”, but for “many”!

John 10:11,15; “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Just
as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep.”
Matthew 25:32; “All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people
from one another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”
The Good Shepherd is separating the sheep from the goats.

Ephesians 5:25; “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up
for her.”
Why did Paul not say that Christ gave himself up for “everyone”?

John 17:9; “I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for
they are yours.”
Why did Christ not say the whole world was given?





As I said, a general love of mankind, yes. An effectual, working love? No.
 
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