Hebrews 10:26-31

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justbyfaith

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God has already showed me his Kindness....He showed me how to Rest in the Gospel Of Grace....not to “ sweat it out “ in a so-called gospel Of “Lucky Repentance”
Your god is too small....
Nevertheless, may the Lord abundantly bless you more and more; even as the result of the blessing that I am blessing you with today.

New Living Translation
Rom 2:4, Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?
Rom 2:5, But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6, He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
 
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Rom 2:4, Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?
Rom 2:5, But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6, He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
He'll come up with a reason why this doesn't apply to him.
 

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What I love about it is that it shows the contradiction in @Blood Bought 1953's theology...

For he obviously believes in OSAS doctrine but hypocritically doesn't apply that doctrine to people who teach against what he believes in.


Think again....I don’t think that everybody that disagrees with me is lost—- I think what Paul thinks.....they are “ Fallen from Grace” ( not necessarily Lost....smart people disagree) if they add “ ANY” type of Religious work or Human Merit to the Gospel Of Grace.....Paul said that those that teach these False, Perverted “ gospels” are Accursed...as I say..take it up with with ......show me where I have misinterpreted Galatians...
 
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Think again, Gospel Perverter....I don’t think that everybody that disagrees with me is lost—- I think what Paul thinks.....they are “ Fallen from Grace” ( not necessarily Lost....smart people disagree) if they add “ ANY” type of Religious work or Human Merit to the Gospel Of Grace.....Paul said that those that teach these False, Perverted “ gospels” are Accursed...as I say..take it up with with ......show me where I have misinterpreted Galatians or shut the hell up....
John the Baptist and Ezekiel are in hell today according to your theology (for they both preached "Lucky Repentance")...if they are accursed they are certainly not in heaven.
 

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Ok...

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.


Typical Old Testament Reasoning....He is stuck on the religion of the Jews.....no mention of God’s Grace.....you ever hear of God’s Good News.... for you, it’s like the New Testament never existed....
 

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Typical Old Testament Reasoning....He is stuck on the religion of the Jews.....no mention of God’s Grace.....you ever hear of God’s Good News.... for you, it’s like the New Testament never existed....
From the New Testament...

1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This passage teaches exactly the same thing as what we find in Ezekiel 33:11-20...

That if you cease to abide (which means that you sin not) you are outside of salvation.
 

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How does John 8:30-31 teach that a genuine believer cannot stop believing?

I find it to be saying that abiding in His word is a condition of being a true disciple.
The Jews to whom Jesus said that perhaps see and understand it as you do. Why is that? Does not mean...well, never mind. It seems that we don’t have the same eyes and the same mind, that we see and understand quite differently. So, I would not expect you to see what I see in John 8:30-31.

I see Jesus there exposing their faith, one that does not abide, one that fails. It is faith that does not come from God, but a faith that comes from them, that is from man. Such faith is not the faith through which God saves the man. It is not that which comes from God. Such faith, if it had any power at all, it is that of the man, not that of God.

Now, the one whom God willed to save is one who gets to have the faith that comes from God, for God will give it to him. And one who have such faith is the genuine or true believer and will certainly be a true disciple of Jesus Christ. One who have such faith cannot stop believing as such faith is one that remains.

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Hi @Tong2020,

I am in agreement with you on the subject of eternal security;

However I also see @Ferris Bueller's pov quite clearly, that eternal security is not the issue and does not really matter.

What matters is that you hold onto your confidence stedfast to the end; that you would endure to the end.

By enduring to the end, you will show the world on your day of judgment that you were genuinely born again.

If you don't endure to the end, you show that you were not genuinely saved on your day of judgment.

So the issue at hand is whether or not you endure to the end.
 

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There are many many passages that teach the same.

One of my favorites is in Hebrews 13, keep yourself from from coveteousness, for He has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you.

. . . for you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. And when Christ, who is your life, appears, you also will appear with Him in glory.

He will carry us all the way home!

So much love!
Yes I know there are. Thanks for sharing that.

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The Greek words for "made" and "like" are not actually used in Hebrews verse 7:3.
 

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The Greek words for "made" and "like" are not actually used in Hebrews verse 7:3.
So, your point is that Melchizedec was a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ?

This has the potential of derailing this thread. Maybe you should start a new one.
 

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@Blood Bought 1953,

You have mentioned that you have prayed to God that He would lead you to the best teachers...

Have you stopped to consider that He might have answered that prayer by leading you to the likes of @Ferris Bueller and myself?

And also, I believe that the Holy Ghost wants to pinpoint this fact in your life...that you have used that prayer as an excuse to lollygag after false teachers who are telling you what your itching ears want to hear...whom you have heaped unto yourself...and therefore your prayer was made in pretense.

Nevertheless the Lord answered it by putting @Ferris Bueller and myself in your path so that you would not be without the witness of those who are faithful to the word.
 

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1 Timothy 1:5-6
...a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith. 6Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk.

Did someone forget to tell Paul it's impossible to stray from a sincere faith?
<<<sincere>>>
anupokritos: unhypocritical, unfeigned

<<< strayed>>>
astocheó: to miss the mark

Why did you not quote the complete passage?

1 Timothy 1: 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,

<<<Did someone forget to tell Paul it's impossible to stray from a sincere faith?>>>

Why, did Paul say anything about that?


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Wasn't he restored?
Who cares...read your Bible...he should of course be forgiven and welcomed back into his congregation...but he must accept the fact that he has Disqualified himself from being a Preacher Of God's Word.....there are rules for these guys....#1— he must have a good reputation.....there are several others, but Swaggert and his cavorting with whores, does not pass the first qualification...
 
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Who cares...read your Bible...he should of course be forgiven and welcomed back into his congregation...but he must accept the fact that he has Disqualified himself from being a Preacher Of God's Word.....there are rules for these guys....#1— he must have a good reputation.....there are several others, but Swaggert and his cavorting with whores, does not pass the first qualification...
If he truly repented, even the passage in Ezekiel 33:11-20 tells us that his former iniquities shall not be mentioned unto him...

There is forgiveness with the Lord...you of all people should know that with the things that you preach.
 

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So, your point is that Melchizedec was a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ?

This has the potential of derailing this thread. Maybe you should start a new one.
Quite to the contrary...most of the discussions here are not pertinent to the topic of the thread. Basically talking in circles.
And no Melchizedek was not a pre-incarnate Christ...lol
 
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I don't think his answer will be different than mine. By God's grace is a man able to respond with trust (if he wants to) to the testimony of the Holy Spirit. Inherent in the testimony of the Holy Spirit is the faith, the surety, of the message being spoken. Some choose to retain that message they now know to be true in believing. Most do not and reject what they know to be true in willful unbelief.
What man, who were shown to have become as one whose every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and whom God, concerning their heart, said “the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth”, and rendered dead, would respond positively? Unless, God does something in the man, more than quickening him to enable him to respond, he would not respond positively, but would naturally respond negatively.

So, again, how could the man respond in the positive?

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The Holy Spirit enables him to respond without making him born again of the Holy Spirit.

That comes when the man responds positively to the message of the gospel as the Holy Spirit draws him.
What man, who were shown to have become as one whose every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and whom God, concerning their heart, said “the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth”, and rendered dead, would respond positively? Unless, God does something in the man, more than quickening him to enable him to respond, he would not respond positively, but would naturally respond negatively.

So, again, how could the man respond in the positive?

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