Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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justbyfaith

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So you base your belief on Movies, That's Fantasy not reality
Some of what you see in the movies is reality.

There is a time travel technology that is a camera that shifts in and out of the time stream and is invisible to the naked eye.

I have seen my future self acting in movies before I actually lived out what I had seen in the movie. I did not know that it was me at the time; but later on when I reflected back on what I had lived out, it was the same as what I had seen in the movie.

I don't expect you to believe me; for I have a stigma on my life.

That's a pretty good cover as concerning anyone who would try to expose what is happening in Hollywood; how people are being taken advantage of as their lives are recorded by Hollywood and they are not being paid as actors.
 

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If you are quantum waves in a wave universe, do you have any idea that you are not physical?

Isn't it more likely God would first create a Universe without the disorder of entropy?
 

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We have a soul and body today, but were we just a soul beforehand?

Mind–body dualism sounds like wave-particle duality to me. Would that mean we were quantum waves before sin?

Does sin have something to do with physical objects?
Huh?
 

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If you are quantum waves in a wave universe, do you have any idea that you are not physical?

Isn't it more likely God would first create a Universe without the disorder of entropy?
If I am not physical then my arm hurting when my wife punched it for being a jerk is not really hurting?
 

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To the OP,
“Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman,
and He brought her to the man.​
And Adam said:
'This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.'​

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
and they shall become one flesh.​
And they were both naked, the man and his wife,
and were not ashamed.” Genesis 2:22-25 NKJV​

These descriptions were before the Fall, and clearly state that they had fleshly bodies at that time.
 
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Where does that phrase come from?
I said I would get back with you and so this is going to take some time. But if I just throw out snippets of it then it would cause too many questions.
Years ago God gave me a vision of all souls existing in heaven with Him before the fall.
When Satan rebelled and was cast down and a third with him it caused confusion among the souls who knew satan as the chief angel over all the angels and who protected the Garden of Eden.

The Origin and Fall of the Devil
Where did the devil come from? To put it another way, how could a God of love create someone as horrible as the devil? This question is based on flawed reasoning since it assumes that we are in a position to critique God. Many who refuse to look into what the Bible says on the subject simply decide that God seriously erred in this area, so we should not put our trust in Him.

God did not create the devil as we know him.
When God created the world, we are told that God examined it and declared that it was good (Genesis 1:31). This means that even the angelic world did not have evil angels or demons in it at that time. But by the time of Genesis chapter three, we find that Satan, in the form of a serpent, was tempting Eve to sin. Therefore, sometime between the events of Genesis chapter one and Genesis chapter three, there must have been a rebellion in the angelic world, with many angels turning against God and becoming evil. This rebellion was led by Satan himself.

Lucifer’s fall from Heaven
The Bible gives us this information about the devil before his fall

  • Named Lucifer, which means “star of the morning”
  • Held a high-ranking position in the angelic host
  • Had exquisite beauty and great wisdom
  • Given a position of great power and influence
  • Called “the guardian cherub”
“You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God…You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings” (Ezekiel 28:12–17 NIV).

Now don't get in a hurry...I am breaking it up so it isn't one long post.
 

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Where does that phrase come from?
Okay, in my vision, the souls in heaven were greatly affected by the fall of satan and there was fear and confusion that came from it.
God, being a Sovereign God, made a way for us to choose for ourselves who we will trust and serve by creating man and putting our spirit in it and removing our knowledge of our existence before.

So I have to leave for an appointment and will continue when I get back.
 

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Sin/death is only possible for humans in a place like this fallen reality. That's why Satan is known for both sin and death.
Jesus took away Satan's claim on everyone here as long as they believe in Jesus.
 

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Jesus is a special case.
A regular human body that is perfect and doesn't age ..doesn't sound physical with entropy to me.
 

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Jesus ate a piece of broiled fish and honeycomb after His resurrection (Luke 24:42-43); proving that He still has a physical body in His resurrected state (that He is come in the flesh).
 
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