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BloodBought 1953

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I have accused you? If I have then I apologize; but where and when did I accuse you (please use the quote feature)?



Yes, that is what I am doing.

It should be clear that the OT is profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16)



If that child molester were redeemed and gone to heaven, then that tendency to sin in that manner is gone. He can faithfully be in charge of children's day care in heaven; and such a thing would be a glory to the Lord; a testimony to the work of grace in that person's heart.

As concerning lesser sins, the person does not have to go to heaven in order to be restored.



So, just to be accurate, you are teaching that repentance (away from sin) is not necessary for salvation.

What is your take on Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42?



What did Jesus preach in Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42?

It seems to me that if you don't repent of being a worker of iniquity, you will be cast into the furnace of fire. Because every man is born dead in trespasses and sins.



I wasn't talking to you.



That actually makes my point. By your estimation, in the NT, repentance has to do with what the Lord said in Ezekiel 36:25-27. If you read that passage, you will see what it is that entails NT repentance; exactly what I have been saying.



Actually, they may have been doing works completely inside the will of the Lord; but they go to hell because they were practicing iniquity on the side.



That is clearly a false statement.

See Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42.



They are indeed abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16) and nailed to the Cross (Colossians 2:14); just as concerning condemnation; not as concerning the fact that the law remains as a governor in our hearts through the Holy Ghost shedding abroad His love in our hearts (which fulfills the law).


Oops! I almost responded to this post ....lol.....my bad!
 

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So, you think that that is possible?

If it is possible for Israel, why is it not possible for the Gentile?

Do you not realize that the New Covenant is the New Testament; and that therefore the law is written on the hearts and minds of believing Gentiles as well as Jews (see Hebrews 8:8-10)?
For one it was not possible with Israel, if it where so we would have had no need for Christ, you sound like a SDA wannabe, choosing the curse of the law over the Holy Spirit and grace
 

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Believing is evidenced by action.


The “ action” of one Believer was to sleep with his own Mother.....let’s “ cut him some slack”, it could have been his Mother-In-Law.....
Behavior determines Rewards in this life and perhaps the next.....It does not Save.....It does not damn....Trusting in the Gospel or NOT Trusting in the Gospel determines that stuff....
 
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"Your work and the love you have shown" shows, and thus confirms, that you do in fact have the hope of salvation. The author says keep working all the way to the end in order to have that assurance of salvation all the way to the end. I don't get why this is so hard for you to grasp.

Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Christians filled with business trying to "prove" their worth.

Joh_10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me

If its your own works it means nothing
 
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19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. Acts 3:19-20

That's good news.


Notice what it does NOT say—- “ Repent FROM SINS”
The Repenting here means the same thing that follows the word ——- TURN TO GOD
It’s like saying,” Run fast, go like Oprah headed for a baked ham !”
 

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19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. Acts 3:19-20

That's good news.


Yep, But it ain’t “ THE” Good News, now , is it ?
One must go to 1Cor15:1-4 to discover that....
Ain’t no “ Repentance” mentioned in it

For those New to the Faith...
Repentance simply means “ a change of mind”..... If one does not Believe the Gospel and then “ changes his mind “ and starts to actually Believe that Gospel ( Jesus Died for your sins and rose from the grave— yeah, it’s that simple) , he has undergone all of the “Repentance” That will ever be required of him in order to be Saved....
Once Saved, the Believer will experience the other kind of Repentance that Confused, poorly taught ( usually self- taught) people always go on and on about, thinking that “ IT” is a mandantory part of Salvation. We are now discussing The “ remorse and guilt “ type of Repentance that Believers experience as part of God’s Sanctification Process...
I used to practice all kinds of “ fun” Sin Before I got my New Nature .....once I “ Turned to God” for Salvation by Believing the Gospel and became “ a New Creation” ,all that “ fun” stuff became about as enticing as getting a Root Canal!
Being Repulsed by Sin like I am now, has as its natural result a marked decrease in the practice of sin.....It’s how God “Transforms” the True Believer into “ The Image Of His Son”....
The UNREGENERATED Man can “change” his Behavior all he wants , and that is not a “ bad” thing—- it just wont Save you.....
“Change” to your little heart’s desire......until you get the Holy Spirit in you by Resting in the Gospel and it ALONE to Save you, you ain’t NEVER gonna be “ TRANSFORMED” .....Done wait until it’s too late to find out the difference .....Heaven and Hell are the Difference here.......God Bless...
 

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He is the sword,

The word of God is the sword of the Spirit (Hebrews 4:12, Ephesians 6:17).

the one who brings division,

So, if Jesus is the sword, then He is the word....and therefore placing the word in high regard is to place Him in high regard and is not idolatry at all since Jesus is the word.

God is not the author of confusion. Apparently to you and many He is.

No, He is not the author of confusion; precisely because He has given us His word to establish order.

Therefore anything that is contrary to the word is against that established order.

there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that believers will become perfect in this life.

I beg to differ (see 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Romans 6:6 (kjv), Colossians 2:11 (kjv)).

Entire sanctification will take place when we reach heaven, but not until. When I tested you I found you are a complete mess And a hypocrite, And you live in a delusion You even Said you think Eve had elves that didn't sin and that Santa gained access to the tree of life...So I guess you think He was a candidate for entire Sanctification? you think you see yourself in movies...Was it James Bond... You need to realize your delusion and snap out of it, Humble your self from your false humility, your not convincing anyone

I would only say to you that you are judging according to the flesh and would encourage you to judge righteous judgment...no it was not James Bond...it was a movie that I saw myself in before I actually lived out the movie; and after I lived it out I remembered that I had seen myself doing those things on television years before. Like I said, I didn't expect you to believe me...after all, I have a stigma on my life...what better way for Hollywood to keep taking advantage of people by recording their lives so that they don't have to pay for them as actors? It is a time travel technology that is a camera that hovers, and shifts in and out of the time stream so that it is invisible to the naked eye...I read about it in a book about time travel that had two copyright dates...one in 2051...found it in the SCIENCE FICTION section of the bookstore; but the bookstore clerk told me that it was originally in the NON-FICTION section and he moved it over because he thought it would sell better there.

For one it was not possible with Israel,

I actually agree with you there. The letter of the OT law of Moses can never be kept (see Galatians 6:13). However, the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

The “ action” of one Believer was to sleep with his own Mother.....let’s “ cut him some slack”, it could have been his Mother-In-Law.....

It was his mother-in-law; specifically his father's wife (it wasn't incest that he was guilty of).

But he would not be saved apart from the discipline of the church, by which "his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5).

Behavior determines Rewards in this life and perhaps the next.....It does not Save.....It does not damn...

Behaviour will indeed damn...if you are a worker of iniquity you will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

Notice what it does NOT say—- “ Repent FROM SINS”

That is inherent in the term "repent"...it means to make a 180-degree turn away from the direction you are walking in...which, if you have not yet been redeemed, is towards sin; because you were born dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1)

The Repenting here means the same thing that follows the word ——- TURN TO GOD

Turning to God is to turn from sin...for God is holy and to turn to God is to turn to holiness...which is away from sin.

Thank you, @Blood Bought 1953, for being a springboard as the false teacher that you are for me to set forth the true gospel of Jesus Christ or a major aspect of it; which is that a man must repent (turn away from sin) in order to be saved.
 
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Yep, But it ain’t “ THE” Good News, now , is it ?
One must go to 1Cor15:1-4 to discover that....
Ain’t no “ Repentance” mentioned in it

For those New to the Faith...
Repentance simply means “ a change of mind”..... If one does not Believe the Gospel and then “ changes his mind “ and starts to actually Believe that Gospel ( Jesus Died for your sins and rose from the grave— yeah, it’s that simple) , he has undergone all of the “Repentance” That will ever be required of him in order to be Saved....
Once Saved, the Believer will experience the other kind of Repentance that Confused, poorly taught ( usually self- taught) people always go on and on about, thinking that “ IT” is a mandantory part of Salvation. We are now discussing The “ remorse and guilt “ type of Repentance that Believers experience as part of God’s Sanctification Process...
I used to practice all kinds of “ fun” Sin Before I got my New Nature .....once I “ Turned to God” for Salvation by Believing the Gospel and became “ a New Creation” ,all that “ fun” stuff became about as enticing as getting a Root Canal!
Being Repulsed by Sin like I am now, has as its natural result a marked decrease in the practice of sin.....It’s how God “Transforms” the True Believer into “ The Image Of His Son”....
The UNREGENERATED Man can “change” his Behavior all he wants , and that is not a “ bad” thing—- it just wont Save you.....
“Change” to your little heart’s desire......until you get the Holy Spirit in you by Resting in the Gospel and it ALONE to Save you, you ain’t NEVER gonna be “ TRANSFORMED” .....Done wait until it’s too late to find out the difference .....Heaven and Hell are the Difference here.......God Bless...
Of course faith in Jesus Christ is the only means by which a man can be made free from sin (John 8:31-36) and enter into righteousness...a righteousness which is practical in nature (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6, 1 John 3:17-18).

But God will not give to anyone that righteousness against their will...so He requires that you relinquish the control of your life and your right to sin unto Him...this is called repentance.
 
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The word of God is the sword of the Spirit (Hebrews 4:12, Ephesians 6:17).
Yep Him, Jesus Christ the Word of God come in the flesh, The words I speak they are Spirit and they are life, the bible is a book men use to manipulate others based on their own wisdom and ignorance, but mostly just keeps men fromChrist, who needs Jesus you have your book.
 

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I would only say to you that you are judging according to the flesh and would encourage you to judge righteous judgment...no it was not James Bond...it was a movie that I saw myself in before I actually lived out the movie; and after I lived it out I remembered that I had seen myself doing those things on television years before. Like I said, I didn't expect you to believe me...after all, I have a stigma on my life...what better way for Hollywood to keep taking advantage of people by recording their lives so that they don't have to pay for them as actors? It is a time travel technology that is a camera that hovers, and shifts in and out of the time stream so that it is invisible to the naked eye...I read about it in a book about time travel that had two copyright dates...one in 2051...found it in the SCIENCE FICTION section of the bookstore; but the bookstore clerk told me that it was originally in the NON-FICTION section and he moved it over because he thought it would sell better there.

Wowsers man...I think I worked it out the movie was Pinocchio? I dunno what to say, The problem seems to be pride, If you didn't parade your self-righteousness you would probably be quite funny to talk to, But you Reek Of Self It's Off-putting... You are Good For Nothing unless God Is working In your Life, Then it is all God, That's the righteousness That is perfect, His Not your own, All of Him None of you, In all things Jesus He may have the preeminence
It's @justbyfaith.

The term "just" having a double meaning..."only" and "righteous"

If, in these days, the latter meaning is more being preached by me, then I still have not departed from the reality of what my moniker stands for.

Here Is an Example You think it's just your Faith And speak Nothing About Grace, You're not Righteous By Faith, Your Righteous By Jesus Righteousness been imputed to you, That's Grace, That's a Gift! From Him, God Gets All The Glory because he is worthy....And you are not
 

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Yep Him, Jesus Christ the Word of God come in the flesh, The words I speak they are Spirit and they are life, the bible is a book men use to manipulate others based on their own wisdom and ignorance, but mostly just keeps men fromChrist, who needs Jesus you have your book.

So, I am guessing that your position is that the Bible is not the word of God?

yes or no.

That's the righteousness That is perfect, His Not your own, All of Him None of you,

Of course it is His righteousness. Still, not impractical.

You're not Righteous By Faith,

You have just denied the premise of the reformation...which is founded in such scriptures as Habakkuk 2:4, Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, and Hebrews 10:30.
 

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You have just denied the premise of the reformation...which is founded in such scriptures as Habakkuk 2:4, Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, and Hebrews 10:30.

Lol The scriptures you posted Say The Righteous shall live by faith, That should be common sense, Notice they are already Righteous,What do you think made them Righteous? Of Course You live by faith, But that's not the context of what we were talking about, So with you No Grace and Righteous by your Faith = Phony, You can Believe it doesn't make you right
 

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Good guess, 100% pass,. mind you neither does Jesus just ignorant men.
There is no point discussing things with you if you don't believe that the Bible is the word of God, you are not anywhere near being a real Christian.

2 Timothy 3:16 is God signing His name to the holy scriptures, that He is the author of the entire letter...

If you don't believe God on that particular point, you are off in dream-land and think that some kind of esoteric experience makes you a Christian.

What is it that you say is the gospel?

Why are you here?
 

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Lol The scriptures you posted Say The Righteous shall live by faith, That should be common sense, Notice they are already Righteous,What do you think made them Righteous? Of Course You live by faith, But that's not the context of what we were talking about, So with you No Grace and Righteous by your Faith = Phony, You can Believe it doesn't make you right
We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. The righteousness of God is by faith from start to finish (Romans 1:17).

And there is definitely grace in my gospel.
 

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@mjrhealth, I am giving you a first warning that your contention that the Bible is not the word of God is heresy.

After a second admonition, you will be rejected.
 

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They are qualities of the Spirit (vs.8).

8For if you possess these qualities....

All the things he lists are manifestations of the Spirit. It's what the Spirit within a person looks like on the outside of a person. Ultimately, the absence of these qualities of the Spirit indicates an absence of the Spirit from whence they come. The willful sinner in Hebrews 10:26 is rejecting the Spirit, his willful sinning being the evidence of that. The sentence for doing that is to be condemned with the enemies of God. The person who does that will not be saved when Jesus comes back. Assuming God will allow it, they need to repent and come (back?) to genuine faith in God.

Wow.....Newbies need to Witness all of the Twisting Of Simple Scriptures that must take place to justify the Stiiff-Necked , perhaps “ Willful” misunderstanding of one little Bible verse....Heb. 10...
For those that possess the understanding of a Five year old...for those not too Stubborn to at least “ EXAMINE” another Viewpoint.....for those who think that is NOT a Sin to try to learn from God-Sent Teachers that just “ might” be smarter than yourself ,and have more Bible Understanding in their rear- end than you got in your entire head.....Google these guys in regard to Hebrews 10.....Andrew Farley....Renee Roland ....A.W. Tozer....” Yankee” Arnold.....there are MANY more ....
 

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Your Righteous By Jesus Righteousness been imputed to you,
Also imparted (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

That we are "declared righteous" (justified) means also that we are made righteous.

For it is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2); and it should be clear that He calls those things which be not as though they are (Romans 4:17).