In The Earth/on The Earth/under The Earth

whirlwind · Oct 3, 2010

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Something about that wording is making me go..... :huh:

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Dust is...dry earth. Man is the dust of the ground so man is the dry earth before it receives life giving water...living water. Water and earth make clay that He forms into His servants....

Jeremiah 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in Mine hand, O house of Israel.

So, where it is written that Satan was...."going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" what is being said?

Before I end up going on a side trail, as so often happens to me, my quest in this thread was finding what is meant by Satans' going to and fro IN the earth. Does that mean....his spirit is in some men, for man is earth? We know he can and does do this for it is written....

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Both phrases, to and fro and up and down, take place "in the earth," and are often associated with....the locusts. Locusts have four stages of life, a long part of which is spent "in the earth," or "under the earth," where they do much undercover damage without others knowing...until the damage is evident. Sort of like a secret government, one that controls, dictates policy without obvious recognition to the world. They are the king makers (although it is our Father that places all authorities...good and bad).

Joel 1:4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

If these locusts, undercover men in power, weren't secretive as they did their dirty work then the world would reinstate DDT and kill the nasty bugs. Truth be known, they may well be the ones that banned it in the first place. These locusts eat away at the roots of our government, our freedom, our way of life. Soon...they'll be out in the open. Poking their ugly heads out of obscurity and into the world. Devouring everything in their paths as they take to the air.....

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

There we see again that his spirit does enter and "worketh in," some.

Isaiah 33:4 And your spoil shall be gathered like the gathering of the caterpiller: as the running to and fro of locusts shall he run upon them.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Bullinger writes that "to and fro," as used there, means to apostatize and "knowledge" is calamities or wickedness. So, the verse could be understood as....many shall run in apostasy while wickedness is increased.

Joel 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

I see these that appear to be as men to be fallen angels...they join the locusts in rampaging through the city, through us...with great deception (causing the apostasy), pretending to be of the city...of us, Christian. This is the time of the great tribulation.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

The saints are His "stones of fire." Satan, the "anointed cherub," at one time, walked "up and down" among the saints but....no more. Now he walks up and down among children of disobedience....

Back to the begining....Satan (was/is now) going to and fro in the earth and walking up and down in it. To me this means his spirit is (in the earth/in certain men) and as he is going "to and fro" in them then he, in them, is causing apostasy. They are children of disobedience. As Christ walks IN us....he walks "up and down in them."

11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

I believe I now understand...In the earth and on the earth but....who are those "under the earth?"

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

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veteran · Oct 3, 2010

Interesting...

We know per Joel 1 the locusts are about a "nation", a certain people upon the earth. That is about the "workers of iniquity" and "mystery of iniquity", the "many antichrists" that have been already at work upon this earth. I like your analogy of how they work in secret and their working is not known until it begins to manifest outwardly. That is just the opposite of how God's people work.

Since Satan is a heavenly created being, a "cherub" per Ezekiel 28, that tells us his existence is within the heavenly dimension, behind a vail we cannot yet see. Likewise, his angels work within the same realm.

So under the earth, I interpret to mean within the heavenly realm still, but in a place of separation away from God's Abode (see Book of Enoch, Ethiopic version).

There is a prophecy for the end of days though, that Satan and his angels will be cast out of their present heavenly dimension, down to this earth. That's what Rev.12:7-9 is speaking of, no more was their place in heaven found.

In that respect, I believe it is linked with what Christ warned that the last days would be like the days of Noah (Noe). He said 'they' were eating and drinking, marrying and taking in marriage until the flood came and took them all away.

So what kind of event happenned upon the earth in Noah's day per Genesis 6?

Some of Satan's angels left their own habitation and estate going after strange flesh, taking wives of the daughters of men (Jude 1; Gen.6). The book of Enoch declares they literally cohabitated with flesh women on the earth, and produced offspring of great stature. Gen.6 says they were men of reknown, i.e., men of the name, of legend, like the ancient mythology gods.

Gen.6 uses a specific word about the unblemish purification of sacrificial animals in speaking of the bloodline purity of Noah's generations from Adam, showing that there was a danger in Noah's day with a literal mixing with something. Noah stayed pure in his bloodline is the message there. So the Gen.6 event definitely had something to do with literal flesh mixing, which makes more sense as to why God brought that flood upon the earth. Mixing with angels to produce the giant race on earth knocked God's Plan of Salvation for this world out of balance. He didn't purpose that unbalance, so He used the flood, and Israel to end the existence of those giants off this earth.

Lot of folks don't believe that kind of thing literally happenned on this earth in Noah's days, even though when the events mentioned in Gen.6, Jude 1, and the book of Enoch are put together, it's shown the event did literally happen as written. They took "wives", and in the Biblical sense of a wife, that means literal cohabitation with women.

So, could some of the locusts mentioned in Rev.9 include another group of Satan's angels coming to this earth like in Noah's days? I think so. And I think the world has been being conditioned for it since the 1950's. If aliens exist, they would have to be angels per God's Word.

Could this be the purpose of Satan's workers upon the earth today, to cause such desolation and waste upon the earth in order to offer that kind of solution? I think possibly so. And I think that is why when ordinary elected officials get elected to high positions in our nation they are soon turned towards the locust's plan to form a one world government over all nations, in prep for Satan's coming as the antichrist/false messiah, to act as the saviour of mankind, all in order to deceive the majority. They would only have to show those new elected officials evidence of an angelic presence and contact. Could that be why man's technology did a sudden takeoff in the 1950's? And the ability to map the human genome? I think so, possibly, since the book of Enoch shows the fallen angels instituted a certain knowlege of the heavenly to men upon the earth with the Gen.6 event, teaching things like metallurgy, craft, devil worship, etc. We'll just have to wait and see, so I put all that on a shelf, just in case.

Ironically, we see the same events of the ancient Sumerian's sudden exposure to technology with Sargon I who appeared in ancient Sumer in 3800 B.C. and built the first city (Urech), taught the Sumerians agriculture, sciences, canal building, and devil worship, the area on earth where pagan idol worship began. It was almost like Sargon had a direct communication line with Satan and his angels.

whirlwind · Oct 5, 2010

veteran said:
Interesting...

We know per Joel 1 the locusts are about a "nation", a certain people upon the earth. That is about the "workers of iniquity" and "mystery of iniquity", the "many antichrists" that have been already at work upon this earth. I like your analogy of how they work in secret and their working is not known until it begins to manifest outwardly. That is just the opposite of how God's people work.

Since Satan is a heavenly created being, a "cherub" per Ezekiel 28, that tells us his existence is within the heavenly dimension, behind a vail we cannot yet see. Likewise, his angels work within the same realm.

So under the earth, I interpret to mean within the heavenly realm still, but in a place of separation away from God's Abode (see Book of Enoch, Ethiopic version).

There is a prophecy for the end of days though, that Satan and his angels will be cast out of their present heavenly dimension, down to this earth. That's what Rev.12:7-9 is speaking of, no more was their place in heaven found.

In that respect, I believe it is linked with what Christ warned that the last days would be like the days of Noah (Noe). He said 'they' were eating and drinking, marrying and taking in marriage until the flood came and took them all away.

So what kind of event happenned upon the earth in Noah's day per Genesis 6?

Some of Satan's angels left their own habitation and estate going after strange flesh, taking wives of the daughters of men (Jude 1; Gen.6). The book of Enoch declares they literally cohabitated with flesh women on the earth, and produced offspring of great stature. Gen.6 says they were men of reknown, i.e., men of the name, of legend, like the ancient mythology gods.

Gen.6 uses a specific word about the unblemish purification of sacrificial animals in speaking of the bloodline purity of Noah's generations from Adam, showing that there was a danger in Noah's day with a literal mixing with something. Noah stayed pure in his bloodline is the message there. So the Gen.6 event definitely had something to do with literal flesh mixing, which makes more sense as to why God brought that flood upon the earth. Mixing with angels to produce the giant race on earth knocked God's Plan of Salvation for this world out of balance. He didn't purpose that unbalance, so He used the flood, and Israel to end the existence of those giants off this earth.

Lot of folks don't believe that kind of thing literally happenned on this earth in Noah's days, even though when the events mentioned in Gen.6, Jude 1, and the book of Enoch are put together, it's shown the event did literally happen as written. They took "wives", and in the Biblical sense of a wife, that means literal cohabitation with women.

So, could some of the locusts mentioned in Rev.9 include another group of Satan's angels coming to this earth like in Noah's days? I think so. And I think the world has been being conditioned for it since the 1950's. If aliens exist, they would have to be angels per God's Word.

Could this be the purpose of Satan's workers upon the earth today, to cause such desolation and waste upon the earth in order to offer that kind of solution? I think possibly so. And I think that is why when ordinary elected officials get elected to high positions in our nation they are soon turned towards the locust's plan to form a one world government over all nations, in prep for Satan's coming as the antichrist/false messiah, to act as the saviour of mankind, all in order to deceive the majority. They would only have to show those new elected officials evidence of an angelic presence and contact. Could that be why man's technology did a sudden takeoff in the 1950's? And the ability to map the human genome? I think so, possibly, since the book of Enoch shows the fallen angels instituted a certain knowlege of the heavenly to men upon the earth with the Gen.6 event, teaching things like metallurgy, craft, devil worship, etc. We'll just have to wait and see, so I put all that on a shelf, just in case.

Ironically, we see the same events of the ancient Sumerian's sudden exposure to technology with Sargon I who appeared in ancient Sumer in 3800 B.C. and built the first city (Urech), taught the Sumerians agriculture, sciences, canal building, and devil worship, the area on earth where pagan idol worship began. It was almost like Sargon had a direct communication line with Satan and his angels.

Veteran.....I had the biggest smile on my face as I read your reply. Thank you for SEEING and not thinking I'm :wacko: . Something is going on in this world

h34r: and I very much agree with what you have posted.

It is odd that you should mention "Sumerian communication." I believe Sargon 1 is Cain and he certainly had "direct communication" with Satan. What is odd about the mention of these Sumerians is last night I watched a disturbing movie.....The Fourth Event, in which aliens actually spoke that ancient language. The movie was billed as factual, using tapes of actual events. Was it true? I don't know but it was unsettling.

Anyway, thank you for your reply...it made my day.

veteran · Oct 6, 2010

whirlwind said:
Veteran.....I had the biggest smile on my face as I read your reply. Thank you for SEEING and not thinking I'm :wacko: . Something is going on in this world h34r: and I very much agree with what you have posted.

It is odd that you should mention "Sumerian communication." I believe Sargon 1 is Cain and he certainly had "direct communication" with Satan. What is odd about the mention of these Sumerians is last night I watched a disturbing movie.....The Fourth Event, in which aliens actually spoke that ancient language. The movie was billed as factual, using tapes of actual events. Was it true? I don't know but it was unsettling.

Anyway, thank you for your reply...it made my day.

I'm glad that may have helped settle your pondering of such type events.

Eph 6:11-13
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(KJV)

Some consider this subject too controversial, or too wild to believe. It scares the heck out of many, their not being strong enough to handle it emotionally, so various 'outs' serve them as a way to keep it out of their minds. I think we as Christians better understand it though, especially in the last days if that is actually what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles were warning of us about the end being similar to Noah's days.

I also have not yet determined if that movie you speak of was based on actual events like it claims. But I do believe angels and demons literally exist like how God's Word shows.

I've studied the controversial parts of God's Word on this matter for a long time, still got some things sitting upon a shelf about it. However, one thing I personally am certain of in God's Word, there does exist another dimension of existence besides this earthly one. And Satan and his angels are real literal entities.

The many pointers in God's Word to a false messiah coming in the end of days cannot just be about some flesh born man like ourselves. The order of great signs, wonders, and miracles our Lord Jesus said that false one will do on earth will not be some type of David Copperfield magician putting on a Las Vegas show. A show magician would not be able to deceive the whole world into bowing to him in place of God, nor almost deceive Christ's own elect. But a heavenly cherub coming to this earth with the power to do real miracles could. And that is exactly the kind of manifestation upon this earth God's Word is foretelling us. It's just that the majority don't know they are being conditioned to be deceived by it.

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