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What happened to Jesus is that at the end when he was taken and had to walk up that hill to what men had prepared for him, all of those disciples, his very closest followers, ran away, frightened for their own carnal lives.

But now today do we run away into a church house or into a book, even the best of church houses or the best of books?

"Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me." John 21:20-22
Glad to have you around, there are a few others, but there will be much disappointment soon enough, than where will they run too. but His sheep know there masters voice.
 
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You would be surprised... If Christians knew Christ the churches would be empty and the world filled with praise, and the bible would have no place in mens hearts because they would have the one who is the truth, Jesus Christ, and when HE comes it will be too late,

Depart from Me i never knew you.
I'm with you right up to where you think I'd toss away my Bible. I have Jesus in my heart, and His Book in my hand. Why would we reject the Book He gave to us?

Do you call me your friend, but return unread the letter I send you?

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What an OP!
Can any good really come from such a judgment of others, while appointing ones self as its author to a pedestal that posting evidence does not sustain?

How many people here read how many other people here proclaim publicly for all to read praise for one or more of us, while openly stating they don't read others due to this or that judgment of them? As if those to whom they refer are to naturally infer whom among us are the ignored one's, unfit by that one levying judgment, to be read by that judge.

Why not just set people we choose not to read to our Ignore list and be done with it? Why do certain ones among us feel the need to openly state they approve some, while disrespect others. And think they are self-righteous in the process rather than exhibiting the sin of pride and arrogance.

I tell people I won't read anymore that I won't be reading them again. One and done. Many I've taken off my Ignore list. I just scroll by when I see their screen name.
And who is anyone here to set themselves on a pedestal and proclaim, they know the right Christ and others they judge don't?
Pride, arrogance, and egocentricity.

It's a relationship with the greatest power in all creation. Do we think we have to have a cookie cutter mutual accord in order to be judged by one another as being, 'right with Christ'?
My relationship with Jesus has to meet certain criteria of someone else who thinks themselves entitled to judge me by their idea of their relationship with Christ?

Judge not lest ye be judged.
How many forget the rest of that from Matthew 7?

What is the OP? But that which tells all of us, the OP authors belief in their way of seeing God makes them feel fit to tell certain of us whom they know alone we do not meet his/her criteria as being "truly in Christ".

It's an amazing thing to first believe we can capture the mind of God between the covers of a book. And those words contained therein are all God has to say for eternity. It is quite another for those in Christ, or who think they are, again keeping with the tenor of the OP, to take those printed words and then add more to them in forums wherein their meaning is debated on a personal level of understanding them.

Here's a question.
Which came first?
The Book?
Or its author?

The first faith? Believing it true when men told us the Bible they compiled over centuries from the writings of other men were actually words inspired by God to be written.
Think of how many versions there are. How many scrolls, papyri, etc... were not allowed to be judged worthy of inclusion in the "canon of scripture" and how many scrolls, papyri since the canonization have been discovered and that contain materials related to what is already there.

The Bible is a road map, a treasure map really, to find the power that is innate in all creation; God.
However, imo, if you believe in the Bible first, you've already lost your way.
GOD, speaks to us always in all ways. Use the road map, cherish it, learn from it. Yet consider this. God is behind the parables, simile's, metaphors, allegory.
In the beginning....our faith was considered a mystery tradition. Because one had to be initiated into understanding, unlocking, the language of, The Way.

Today, we believe because we read it and personally think we have understanding of it, we can treat one another badly in defending it.

That's a parable in itself.
Don't you think?
 
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I'm with you right up to where you think I'd toss away my Bible. I have Jesus in my heart, and His Book in my hand. Why would we reject the Book He gave to us?

Do you call me your friend, but return unread the letter I send you?

Much love!
He never did, why would He when we have Him, its a bit like saying sorry my husband but i would rather read this book about you thhan hold you in my arms and love you.

As it says

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Why do men need Him they have their personal God in their hands, than one day they will look up and it will be too late.
 
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What an OP!
Can any good really come from such a judgment of others, while appointing ones self as its author to a pedestal that posting evidence does not sustain?
Pedestal, all I do is offer Christ why is it that bringing Him up offends so many..

Mat_11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Why so much offense
 

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The Bible is a road map, a treasure map really, to find the power that is innate in all creation; God.
However, imo, if you believe in the Bible first, you've already lost your way.
And will you never get out of that map or is it you have never reached your destination whom is Christ, the Living Word.
 

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It intrigues me how on a christian forum there seems to be so little love for Christ.

I did a topic few months ago for those who love Christ, came and went in the blink of an eye, I guess we know where mens hearts are, Jesus certainly does, than yesterday another about Jesus . 4 posts, and one was just one showing His heart, not to come and love Jesus and glorify but to bring offense,

All I see is smart men thinking they are smarter than God, the SDA catholics and JWS tying to outdo one another in doctrine yet all claiming they are the right church, and division ,ye no one cares for that, christianity is so divided but not to be discussed, you laugh, but its your life thats at stake, if you are not in Him when He comes, like Noah was in that ark, you will be left out, and being in church or studying keeping the law (ye right), will not get you in.

Luk_13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

your choice, your doing and being here makes you without excuse. No one to blame but your selves, not your leaders pastors churches friends just you.

What I don't like is people speak out against a religious organization such as JW as though they don't have the right to disagree with doctrines that they honestly view as unscriptural. What, they don't have that right to disagree, and if they do exercise that right to disagree they should be judged. Don't worry I know that what I'm saying here isn't going to change peoples minds about JW but I'm going to continue to say that when they exercise their right to disagree it is their right to do so if they honestly believe that what someone is saying isn't scriptural. JW are not trying to out do anyone or any religious organization they're just exercising their right to disagree. There's nothing wrong with that.
 

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Thank you. :)
If you have Him for what purpose is the bible but to argue with "christians", He dosent need the bible to teach men, though He doers use it, its men that need it to boast of their smartness as you can see for yourself.,
 

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Pedestal, all I do is offer Christ why is it that bringing Him up offends so many..

Mat_11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Why so much offense
I don't know. That's between you and God. Perhaps you can begin searching for the answer by asking God why you think you bringing up Christ offends so many?
When, just so you know, we are all here participating on the Christianity board. And Christianity is all about Christ. If so many were offended by the topic of Christ, as you claim, this forum would not boast so many Christian members.

Here's what I think. I think you project upon others what has been demonstrated in the replies to you and how you "bring up Christ". And then presume to accuse the many for denying Christ because we call into question your version of Christ.
 

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What I don't like is people speak out against a religious organization such as JW as though they don't have the right to disagree with doctrines that they honestly view as unscriptural. What, they don't have that right to disagree, and if they do exercise that right to disagree they should be judged. Don't worry I know that what I'm saying here isn't going to change peoples minds about JW but I'm going to continue to say that when they exercise their right to disagree it is their right to do so if they honestly believe that what someone is saying isn't scriptural. JW are not trying to out do anyone or any religious organization they're just exercising their right to disagree. There's nothing wrong with that.
Mate I dont care, your would rather your religion than Christ that is your doing, when you stand before Him with "JW" written all over and defiling your garment, than what will you say to Him. " But Jesus I loved its doctrines".

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

your religion is no better than SDA catholism or all the rest, all part of the harlot church, and Christ will not join Himself to a harlot.

Come out of her My people. So why wont you??
 

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And Christianity is all about Christ.
Really and when I mention Him i get jumped upon... this isnt about Christ , its about men and their wisdom, and religion its all over this board , as I said soon they will find out where they stand. Than it will be too late. I found out a long time there is very little Christ in Christianity
 
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Christ because we call into question your version of Christ.
There is only one Jesus and He is not religious, nor is He a book. Men can get to know Him if they would but speak, but that means giving up self, and there is no self when in Christ
 
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He never did, why would He when we have Him, its a bit like saying sorry my husband but i would rather read this book about you thhan hold you in my arms and love you.

As it says

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Why do men need Him they have their personal God in their hands, than one day they will look up and it will be too late.

Why do you need to denigrate what I say As If I'm considering my Bible to be my God??

Much love!
 

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If you have Him for what purpose is the bible but to argue with "christians", He dosent need the bible to teach men, though He doers use it, its men that need it to boast of their smartness as you can see for yourself.,
Thanks again. :)
 

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There is only one Jesus and He is not religious, nor is He a book. Men can get to know Him if they would but speak, but that means giving up self, and there is no self when in Christ
Given that judgment, how do you define, self?
 

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Why do you need to denigrate what I say As If I'm considering my Bible to be my God??

Much love!
Denigrate why would you feel that way... and if Jesus said put that book away and follow Me would you be offended,

Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Is He not enough.
 

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Why do you feel judged. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

Self = you- your will etc etc etc
You misunderstand and misapply the scripture of Romans 8.
The thread OP initiates judgment. And if you believed there is no condemnation in those who are in Christ, this thread would not exist.

Isaiah 43:21
The people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.