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unlike you guys i just go by what scripture says, i dont insert my thoughts and opinions into the scripture. Jesus says He is the Christ.
Who is Jesus? The father, the son or the Holy Spirit?
 

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according to Jesus own words He is the Son
Matthew 28:19
Baptize them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38
Let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Are all three Jesus? Or only the son?
 

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Matthew 28:19
Baptize them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38
Let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Are all three Jesus? Or only the son?

the long ending of Mat is most likely an add as its not quoted by church fathers and not in the Hebrew Mat. it was probably inserted into the text like the 1 John trinity formula was added. its forbidden to add to His word. it makes me sad that people are so shameful they have to add to the Lords word to establish a doctrine. a doctrine connected to such deception would make me very skeptical.
and just because you have three names does not mean they are co equal or the same being. John, James and Peter went up the mountain with Jesus, are they co equal, of course not, its just three names for three people.
 

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No, you didn't. Just like you avoided the Omni-powers issue when you couldn't address that to its fullest.
first thanks for the reply, second, I been accused of avoiding a question, "the Omni-powers issue?".

wel let me be clear, of any issue. Omni-powers of Christ? well the scriptures are clear when God was shared in natural flesh. scriptures,
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

this is the only time our Lord was without any Omni-powers, when he was in a diversfied state of flesh and blood, as Philippians 2:7.

and if you have any other reason, or concerns for any Omni-powers issue any where, time, or place I'm game to discuss it.

just post your concerns, or issue you have, give scripture in reference.

thanks in advance.

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the long ending of Mat is most likely an add as its not quoted by church fathers and not in the Hebrew Mat. it was probably inserted into the text like the 1 John trinity formula was added. its forbidden to add to His word. it makes me sad that people are so shameful they have to add to the Lords word to establish a doctrine. a doctrine connected to such deception would make me very skeptical.
and just because you have three names does not mean they are co equal or the same being. John, James and Peter went up the mountain with Jesus, are they co equal, of course not, its just three names for three people.
first thanks for the reply. second, there is no co-equal of any three. it's the same person diversified. listen,
Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
ok, Jay, are we to confess, and bow to the Lord Jesus correct.... now this,

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

so Jay is this the same person in Philippians 2:10 & 11? yes or No?

will be looking for your answer.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
 
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first thanks for the reply. second, there is no co-equal of any three. it's the same person diversified. listen,
Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
ok, Jay, are we to confess, and bow to the Lord Jesus correct.... now this,

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

so Jat is this the same person in Philippians 2:10 & 11? yes or No?

will be looking for your answer.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

the trinity doctrine says the three are co equal so thats what i was responding to.

is it same person, i mean maybe but i am not the biggest fan of clipping lots of scriptures and linking them back together to make a teaching. remember Peter in the garden with Eve.
 

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the trinity doctrine says the three are co equal so thats what i was responding to.

is it same person, i mean maybe but i am not the biggest fan of clipping lots of scriptures and linking them back together to make a teaching. remember Peter in the garden with Eve.
no need to clip, did you not read? listen, Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

"here a little, and there a little", means one PUT SCRIPTURES TOGETHER TO SEE THE TRUE PICTURE. christian don't put all of the scriptures together to see the TRUE and Living God. when you put just a few together to get YOUR picture, then you're decieved. all scriptures must harmonize, or support one another. this is why the scriptures I put forth throw your and many more beliefs into disarray, because your belifs are not scripture based., or supportive. see, a half truth is nothing but a full lie in disguise.

this is why you cannot answer the Philippians 2:10 & 11, and the Isaiah 45:22 & 23 question

Nor this either, listen. Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." (Here, it's the LORD, all caps, the Father). now this,

Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

there's that "I am he" that sho told you about.

so Jay, is the LORD of Jeremiah 17:10, who search the heart, I try the reins, is the same person in Revelation 2:23 who searcheth the reins and hearts, yes or no?

your answer please.

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no need to clip, did you not read? listen, Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

"here a little, and there a little", means one PUT SCRIPTURES TOGETHER TO SEE THE TRUE PICTURE. christian don't put all of the scriptures together to see the TRUE and Living God. when you put just a few together to get YOUR picture, then you're decieved. all scriptures must harmonize, or support one another. this is why the scriptures I put forth throw your and many more beliefs into disarray, because your belifs are not scripture based., or supportive. see, a half truth is nothing but a full lie in disguise.

this is why you cannot answer the Philippians 2:10 & 11, and the Isaiah 45:22 & 23 question

Nor this either, listen. Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." (Here, it's the LORD, all caps, the Father). now this,

Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

there's that "I am he" that sho told you about.

so Jay, is the LORD of Jeremiah 17:10, who search the heart, I try the reins, is the same person in Revelation 2:23 who searcheth the reins and hearts, yes or no?

your answer please.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

so it was Peter in the garden with Eve? Jesus said get behind me Satan, Satan is the serpent, the serpent tempted Even in the garden.

and thats why i am not a fan of clipping. you can make a doctrine for anything.
 

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the long ending of Mat is most likely an add as its not quoted by church fathers and not in the Hebrew Mat. it was probably inserted into the text like the 1 John trinity formula was added. its forbidden to add to His word. it makes me sad that people are so shameful they have to add to the Lords word to establish a doctrine. a doctrine connected to such deception would make me very skeptical.
and just because you have three names does not mean they are co equal or the same being. John, James and Peter went up the mountain with Jesus, are they co equal, of course not, its just three names for three people.
There is no Hebrew Gospel, all Gospels were written in Greek. And the baptism formula in Matthew is authentic, it is present in the Greek scriptures!
 

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first thanks for the reply, second, I been accused of avoiding a question, "the Omni-powers issue?".

wel let me be clear, of any issue. Omni-powers of Christ? well the scriptures are clear when God was shared in natural flesh. scriptures,
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

this is the only time our Lord was without any Omni-powers, when he was in a diversfied state of flesh and blood, as Philippians 2:7.

and if you have any other reason, or concerns for any Omni-powers issue any where, time, or place I'm game to discuss it.

just post your concerns, or issue you have, give scripture in reference.

thanks in advance.
Oh, I have. Pages ago now. Jesus was God in flesh. There was no power of God Jesus could not avail himself of.
Maybe it is easier for me to see it. When God, per his word, is the source of all things created of and from that Holy Spirit, there is no thing that is not of God because it was created from what is God the Creator of it.
Therefore, there was at no time any time Emmanuel was not God. Even in the womb. God was Emmanuel Jesus. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

John 1:3
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
 

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Matthew 28:19
Baptize them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38
Let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Are all three Jesus? Or only the son?
And what then is that NAME of the father, son, holy spirit?
 

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JESUS CHRIST
Exodus3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM that I AM.” And he said, “You must say this to the Israelites, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God also said to Moses, “You must say this to the Israelites, ‘The Lord—the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you. This is my name forever, and this is my memorial from generation to generation.’
Footnote:Exodus 3:15 The word Lord, when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH, which is here connected with the verb hayah, “to be” in verse 14
 
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Exodus3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM that I AM.” And he said, “You must say this to the Israelites, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God also said to Moses, “You must say this to the Israelites, ‘The Lord—the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you. This is my name forever, and this is my memorial from generation to generation.’
Footnote:Exodus 3:15 The word Lord, when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH, which is here connected with the verb hayah, “to be” in verse 14
Jesus means "YHWH is the savior"
The name YHWH is in JESUS.
 
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Jesus means "YHWH is the savior"
The name YHWH is in JESUS.
Jesus=The name Jesus is derived from the Hebrew name Yeshua/Y'shua, which is based on the Semitic root y-š-ʕ (Hebrew: ישע‎), meaning "to deliver; to rescue."
Jesus (name) - Wikipedia


Strong's Hebrew: 3091. יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ (Yehoshua) -- "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr. Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Yasha = Strong's Hebrew: 3467. יָשַׁע (yasha) -- to deliver
 

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There is no Hebrew Gospel, all Gospels were written in Greek. And the baptism formula in Matthew is authentic, it is present in the Greek scriptures!

yes there is a Hebrew gospel of Mt, its called Shem Tob's Hebrew Gospel of Matthew. you really need to get out more.

according to many many many theologians and academics it is very controversial. and there is no pre roman text. it is out of sync with all the baptism examples of the bible. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
 

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you have yet to explain how men create the heavens and earth, how men can go back and forth to the heavens. how do i create a solar system? a galaxy? why can you not answer those question?

I find these things to be irrelevant to the discussion.

I'm always one to believe Jesus is the son of God, not God himself, however, I just ran across this, and am not sure what to do with it, and ask that others with similar beliefs to mine, help me out here.

John 8:24, “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS.”

1) the "He" is in italics, so it is not in the original manuscript. Therefore, He is effectively saying, If ye believe not that I AM <the great I AM>, you will die in your sins.

2) Even if the "He" is to be included, John 8:27 shows us who the "He" is that is being spoken of. Just as in that day, many in this day do not understand that Jesus is speaking to us of the Father.

Who is Jesus? The father, the son or the Holy Spirit?

Col 2:8, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Based on this, I will say Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (all three).

John, James and Peter went up the mountain with Jesus, are they co equal, of course not,

Of course Peter, James, and John were equal to each other; all of them were simply men.
 

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I find these things to be irrelevant to the discussion.

i find them ridiculous but its your own theory that claims men can go into the heavens, men are spirit, men can create planets. where are these men? i want to see this stuff.
 

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i find them ridiculous but its your own theory that claims men can go into the heavens, men are spirit, men can create planets. where are these men? i want to see this stuff.
I have never said such things.

My position is that God, who is Spirit, became a Man (John 1:1-3, John 1:14).
 
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