Make No Mistake! God Will Kill Some For Not Keeping His Dietary Laws! Part 2

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 8, 2011

Duckybill said:
You are confused. That's why you have been preaching diet restrictions that God proclaimed as "doctrines of demons".

I'm still waiting for you to explain what I have presented. Does Paul mean ALL 613 laws whenever he speaks in all of his wrtings? Here it is again....

Again....people do not understand that Paul was not talking about ALL of the 613 laws in his writings.

Think about it for a moment..... Where do you think Paul got the notion that he was not to covet?

Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

He got it from the OT. Now remember who Paul is talking to here...Gentiles! Now do you think Paul let these Romans know that to covet was a sin? Of course he did!

Now how can they NOT be under this law? How can anybody not be under this law? If you are a follower of God you are not to covet! If you are a sinner you are to stop coveting! Let's read something else by Paul....again he is talking to Gentiles;

Rom.3
[19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

And how did, "...all the world may become guilty before God"? All of the world have sinned. All of the world have broken God's laws!

Now how can Paul keep the law, tell others to keep the law and yet say, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.", unless he speaks of (2) different sets of laws?

He can't keep the law AND have the same law nailed to His cross!

Please explain to the readers how Paul can say the law is holy and just, learns what sin is from the law, then turn around and say ALL of the law was nailed to the cross?

Help us out!

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Rach1370 · Jan 8, 2011

Robbie said:
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and they were always trying to get Him to follow their dumb laws to... wash your hands before you eat, don't do stuff on the sabbath, don't hank out with hookers and sinners... He's all, "Dude... I'm loving people... you missed it... that's the only point of the Law... to Love God and each other"

So sorry dude... you and I don't see it the same and I reject anyone who tries to bring me under the law except the law to love one another... that's the commandment from my Teacher and Father...

Be blessed...

Awesome post! Couldn't have said it better!
It so saddens me when I see people who say they follow Jesus, but then miss His entire point!
Rules and nitpicking and trying to earn their way into heaven.
No thanks! Me? I'm just going to love...Him and others!

Duckybill · Jan 9, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
I'm still waiting for you to explain what I have presented. Does Paul mean ALL 613 laws whenever he speaks in all of his wrtings? Here it is again....

Christians are not under the Law of Moses. Paul says in Galatians to those who choose to be under the Law of Moses:

Galatians 3:1 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]O foolish Galatians! WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?

Please explain to the readers how Paul can say the law is holy and just, learns what sin is from the law, then turn around and say ALL of the law was nailed to the cross?

Help us out!

It's quite simple really. Even thought the Law of Moses is and was holy and just nobody could keep it. Therefore God gave us the New Coventant in Jesus' Blood.

Were you circumsised to obey the Law of Moses? Read what Paul says to you:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
[sup]2 [/sup]Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING. [sup]3 [/sup]And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. [sup]4 [/sup]YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, you who attempt to be justified by law; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Christians are not under the Law of Moses. Paul says in Galatians to those who choose to be under the Law of Moses:

OK..... I've read your replies. Now if you could answer the questions.

Why do people have such a hard time answering simple questions? Again.....

Does Paul always mean ALL 613 laws whenever he speaks in his wrtitings about laws?
Did Paul not try his best obey God's law of not to covet and teach others to do the same?
What alll of the covenant at fault?

These require simple "yes", "no" or "I do not know" replies!

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Duckybill · Jan 9, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
OK..... I've read your replies. Now if you could answer the questions.

Why do people have such a hard time answering simple questions? Again.....

Does Paul always mean ALL 613 laws whenever he speaks in his wrtitings about laws?
Did Paul not try his best obey God's law of not to covet and teach others to do the same?
What alll of the covenant at fault?

These require simple "yes", "no" or "I do not know" replies!

Totally irrelevant! Christians have a NEW COVENANT. We are not under the Law of Moses. Have you read Galatians???

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
[sup]2 [/sup]Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING. [sup]3 [/sup]And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. [sup]4 [/sup]YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, you who attempt to be justified by law; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Totally irrelevant! Christians have a NEW COVENANT.

Maybe you can answer this.....

There are at least (2) parts to a contract/covenant; 1. The parties involved, (2) being the min., and 2. The conditions or intent.

Now the question is, What was it that caused a need for a New Covenant? Who, or what was at fault?

Well one thing for sure....we know God was not at fault, for He cannot lie!

That leaves only (2) things...now which of them caused the need of a New Covenant?

This is a pretty simple one to answer. For the answer is in the book people profess to study and research!

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Duckybill · Jan 10, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
Maybe you can answer this.....

There are at least (2) parts to a contract/covenant; 1. The parties involved, (2) being the min., and 2. The conditions or intent.

Now the question is, What was it that caused a need for a New Covenant? Who, or what was at fault?

Well one thing for sure....we know God was not at fault, for He cannot lie!

That leaves only (2) things...now which of them caused the need of a New Covenant?

This is a pretty simple one to answer. For the answer is in the book people profess to study and research!

Yes, it is simple.

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]Therefore THE LAW WAS OUR TUTOR to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25 [/sup]But after faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR.

Couldn't be any clearer. We are not under THE LAW!

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 10, 2011

Duckybill said:
Yes, it is simple.

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]Therefore THE LAW WAS OUR TUTOR to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25 [/sup]But after faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR.

Couldn't be any clearer. We are not under THE LAW!

I see you are having problems with the question.

You keep saying we are under the New Covenant with no other explanations. Tell us what we need to know about the New Covenant.

Here are a few questions to help get things rolling......

What was the Old Covenant?
What was the law that was to be the school master?
When did this "school master" law end?
What does the New Contract/Covenant consist of?
Who are the parties involed and what are the conditions/intent?

Give us scriptures so we can read......

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Duckybill · Jan 10, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see you are having problems with the question.

The question should be 'why are you trying to put a yoke of bondage upon Christians that God did not?'.

You keep saying we are under the New Covenant with no other explanations. Tell us what we need to know about the New Covenant.

Try Matthew - Revelation. It tells all we need to know.

Here are a few questions to help get things rolling......

What was the Old Covenant?
What was the law that was to be the school master?
When did this "school master" law end?
What does the New Contract/Covenant consist of?
Who are the parties involed and what are the conditions/intent?

Give us scriptures so we can read......

Why don't you tell us why God gave us a New Covenant in Jesus' Blood if He wanted us to live under the Law of Moses that you keep trying to enslave us with?

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 10, 2011

Duckybill said:
Try Matthew - Revelation. It tells all we need to know.

Please understand....I am not the only one reading the replies. There may be some that are yet "babes' in the word that are also seeking understanding and to know the word of God.

So, if you could, would it be possible to narrow your reply of (Matt. - Rev.) down a bit for those that may not know the bible as well as some of the others here on the forum.

Here are the questions again.......just in case!

What was the Old Covenant?
What was the law that was to be the school master?
When did this "school master" law end?
What does the New Contract/Covenant consist of?
Who are the parties involed and what are the conditions/intent?

If you could just provide Book, chap., and verse that would be great! Or even just book would be helpful.

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Duckybill · Jan 10, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
So, if you could, would it be possible to narrow your reply of (Matt. - Rev.) down a bit for those that may not know the bible as well as some of the others here on the forum.

Narrow down the NT?

Here are the questions again.......just in case!

In case of what?

Romans 10:4 (NKJV)
[sup]4 [/sup]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 11, 2011

Duckybill said:
Narrow down the NT?

Yes....narrow where it is to find the answer to the questions that were asked.

For example, if someone asked, "What is God's definition for sin?", you would not have to read ALL of the NT.

If someone were to ask, "What are angels?", again, you would not have to read ALL of the NT!

I am asking that you answer just TWO, seeing that (5) questions are giving you such a hard time. Here they are.....just in case you forgot them;

What was the law that was to be the school master?
When did this "school master" law end?

I'm sure there are readers that would like to know.

For those seeking the answers, there will be a lesson to follow!

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Duckybill · Jan 13, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
I am asking that you answer just TWO, seeing that (5) questions are giving you such a hard time. Here they are.....just in case you forgot them;

You are the one having the tough time. I'll repeat the answers again for you. But you have ignored them in the past.

What was the law that was to be the school master?

The Law of Moses, that Christians are not under.

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25 [/sup]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Perfectly clear.

When did this "school master" law end?

Romans 10:4 (NKJV)
[sup]4 [/sup]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 13, 2011

Duckybill said:
You are the one having the tough time. I'll repeat the answers again for you. But you have ignored them in the past.

The Law of Moses, that Christians are not under.

[/size]Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25 [/sup]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Perfectly clear.

Romans 10:4 (NKJV)
[sup]4 [/sup]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

So....according to what you believe is the correct answer, Christians are under NOT ONE LAW that was given by God?

I must as, How can that be when Jesus HImself said that eternal life required us to KEEP His laws? Here is what He said.....

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Notice He didn't repeat ALL of the laws, but common sense will tell us these are not all inclusive.

Notice, Jesus did not mention anything about doing away with His laws after His death.

Let me ask you, Are we to have respect of persons?

Readers...please understand, there was a "set" of laws that was to be a school master, and it was that "set" of laws and ONLY those laws that were nailed to His cross. Paul is very specific about just which "set" of laws it was that were nailed to HIs cross....and it was NOT all 613 of God's laws!

As I asked, Are we to have respect of persons? Of course not! We are to do our best to keep this law and not have respect of persons. You will find nowhere in God's word that we MUST keep ALL of God's laws perfectly. But you will also find nowhere, where we are told, not to try!

Throughout the entire bible there is a constant theme.........

"KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS"

Does that mean keep them perfectly? NO! But just because we cannot keep them perfectly does NOT mean are are to stop trying to keep them at all!

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Duckybill · Jan 13, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
"KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS"

Sorry but I don't believe in executing adulterers, homosexuals, violators of the Sabbath, rebellious children, those of other religions, etc. Those are also commands from the Law of Moses.

Eccl.12:13 said:
So....according to what you believe is the correct answer, Christians are under NOT ONE LAW that was given by God?

I must as, How can that be when Jesus HImself said that eternal life required us to KEEP His laws? Here is what He said.....

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Notice He didn't repeat ALL of the laws, but common sense will tell us these are not all inclusive.

Notice, Jesus did not mention anything about doing away with His laws after His death.

Let me ask you, Are we to have respect of persons?

Readers...please understand, there was a "set" of laws that was to be a school master, and it was that "set" of laws and ONLY those laws that were nailed to His cross. Paul is very specific about just which "set" of laws it was that were nailed to HIs cross....and it was NOT all 613 of God's laws!

As I asked, Are we to have respect of persons? Of course not! We are to do our best to keep this law and not have respect of persons. You will find nowhere in God's word that we MUST keep ALL of God's laws perfectly. But you will also find nowhere, where we are told, not to try!

Throughout the entire bible there is a constant theme.........

"KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS"

Does that mean keep them perfectly? NO! But just because we cannot keep them perfectly does NOT mean are are to stop trying to keep them at all!

Guess you missed this part of Galatians:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
[sup]2 [/sup]Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.
[sup]3 [/sup]And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
[sup]4 [/sup]YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, you who attempt to be justified by law; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

All of which mean NOT SAVED!

Duckybill · Jan 13, 2011

I will also remind you that God said that dietary restrictions are DOCTRINES OF DEMONS. You have some really bad problems with your doctrines.

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS, [sup]2 [/sup]speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, [sup]3 [/sup]forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM FOODS which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. [sup]4 [/sup]For every creature of God is good, and NOTHING IS TO BE REFUSED if it is received with thanksgiving;

Eccl.12:13 · Jan 13, 2011

Duckybill said:
Sorry but I don't believe in executing adulterers, homosexuals, violators of the Sabbath, rebellious children, those of other religions, etc. Those are also commands from the Law of Moses.

Guess you missed this part of Galatians:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
[sup]2 [/sup]Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.
[sup]3 [/sup]And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
[sup]4 [/sup]YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, you who attempt to be justified by law; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

All of which mean NOT SAVED!

And I guess you missed my question I presented to the readers of, "Which law is it that Paul speaks?"

This is what most do not know when reading the writings of Paul. Paul speaks of MORE than just one set of laws in his writings.

Once again, Paul learned from the law that was given to Moses, not to covet;

Rom.7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Now readers...let's use some common sense here. Once Paul found out, from the law that was given to Moses, he was not to covet, do you think he told others not to covet also? Of course he did. Why? Because his job was to teach what was right and what was wrong, and the ONLY way he can know that is to go to the law.

Readers notice, this is never addressed by those saying you are no longer under the law. And do you know why? Because those saying you are not under God's laws are not aware that Paul speaks about MORE than one set of laws in his writings!

Paul does not clump ALL 613 laws into what he says. If you read and pay close attention you will see it.

Let's take the above as an example;

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law:...."

Now what law could it be Paul speaks of? The law that was given to Moses that says;

Exod.20
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Now just think about it for a moment, if THIS law was nailed to the cross, and you or I are no longer under it, that means God cannot accuse ANYBODY of coveting!

Readers......Where else could he go to find out if coveting was wrong? Now what about murder, stealing, bearing false witness, and "having respect of persons"?

Readers......did you note the question about "Having respect of persons" was also not answered? Why? Because they know you are supposed to keep it. It is NOT part of the (10)! So that means there are MORE than just the (10) that must also be kept!!

Now if ALL 613 laws were nailed to the cross.....just where does that leave us? What will God use to judge anybody by?

How can ALL 613 laws be nailed to His cross and nobody is under anything?

Just does not make sense.......well it does if Paul was speaking about "another" set of laws when he wrote!

Just think about it, use your God given common sense.....and if nothing else remenber this.....

Will it be Paul that will be doing the judging, or will it be the one that said this......

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Paul can NOT put you into God's kingdom, ONLY the one that made the statement above can!

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Eccl.12:13 · Jan 13, 2011

Duckybill said:
I will also remind you that God said that dietary restrictions are DOCTRINES OF DEMONS. You have some really bad problems with your doctrines.

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS, [sup]2 [/sup]speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, [sup]3 [/sup]forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM FOODS which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. [sup]4 [/sup]For every creature of God is good, and NOTHING IS TO BE REFUSED if it is received with thanksgiving;

Really? I only know of ONE religion that does not allow their clergy to marry, and command to abstain from foods at certain times of the year!

Now let's read the REST of the verse.....

1 Tim.4
[4] For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[5] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Every creature is good, but notice it is those that have been "SANCTIFIED" by the word of God. And what foods have been "sanctified" or "separated" by the word of God? Where would one have to go to find what creatures have been separated by God's word?

Right back to the OT and the book of Lev.

Lev. 11
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

These are the creatures that are good, not to be refused and received with thanksgiving!

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Duckybill · Jan 13, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
And I guess you missed my question I presented to the readers of, "Which law is it that Paul speaks?"

Galatians is about THE LAW of Moses.

Galatians 4:21 (NKJV)
[sup]21 [/sup]Tell me, you who desire to be under THE LAW, do you not hear the law?

This is what most do not know when reading the writings of Paul. Paul speaks of MORE than just one set of laws in his writings.

Galatians 5:18 (NKJV)
[sup]18 [/sup]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under THE LAW.

Once again, Paul learned from the law that was given to Moses, not to covet;

Galatians 5:14 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]For all THE LAW is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

How can ALL 613 laws be nailed to His cross and nobody is under anything?

Just does not make sense.......well it does if Paul was speaking about "another" set of laws when he wrote!

You don't make sense. Christians are under the New Covenant.

Just think about it, use your God given common sense.....and if nothing else remenber this.....

Will it be Paul that will be doing the judging, or will it be the one that said this......

1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (NKJV)
[sup]37 [/sup]If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. [sup]38 [/sup]But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Paul can NOT put you into God's kingdom, ONLY the one that made the statement above can!

The truth comes out! You are challenging Paul's letters.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received THE WORD OF GOD which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, THE WORD OF GOD, which also effectively works in you who believe.

Duckybill · Jan 13, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
Right back to the OT and the book of Lev.

You wanna go by THE LAW then do so, but you'd better have a good supply of body bags on hand:

Leviticus 20:13 (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:27 (NKJV)
[sup]27 [/sup]'A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.' "

Leviticus 24:15-16 (NKJV)
[sup]15 [/sup]Then you shall speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. [sup]16 [/sup]And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:11 (NKJV)
[sup]11 [/sup]The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:12 (NKJV)
[sup]12 [/sup]If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:14 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you.

Leviticus 20:15 (NKJV)
[sup]15 [/sup]If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.

Leviticus 20:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them.

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