A.a. Allen's Vision

I work for a living, which means I have very little time to spend on this site.
Is there perhaps a Reader's Digest Condensed Version of all this I could peruse?

Interesting. Timetable?

Should have noticed by now that Christ's enemies have to sought to destroy us from 'within', and not by nuclear holocaust.

The Russians even bragged long ago they would take the U.S. over without firing a shot.

Read the Goliytsn's work 'New Lies For Old'. He was an ex-KGB colonel that defected to the U.S. in the 1960's.

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In 1954 A.A. Allen published his vision of the destruction of America (quoted below).

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'rjp34652 ... Thank you for the A.A.Allen information. I had not previously been aware of it. Much appreciated.

However I have always been familiar with what Jeremiah prophecied .... it is much the same as what Allen says except it appears to be worldwide. Quite frankly I find it frightening. I will quote parts of it below: Notice I have underlined portions that indicate it is worldwide:

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The Cup of God's Wrath

25:15 ,,,,,,, make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they drink it, they will stagger and go mad........

So I took the cup from the LORD's hand and made all the nations to whom he sent me drink it: [sup]18[/sup] Jerusalem and the towns of Judah, its kings and officials, to make them a ruin and an object of horror and scorn and cursing, as they are today; [sup]19[/sup] Pharaoh king of Egypt, his attendants, his officials and all his people, [sup]20[/sup] and all the foreign people there; all the kings of Uz; all the kings of the Philistines (those of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and the people left at Ashdod [sup]21[/sup] Edom, Moab and Ammon; [sup]22[/sup] all the kings of Tyre and Sidon; the kings of the coastlands across the sea; [sup]23[/sup] Dedan, Tema, Buz and all who are in distant places [sup][c][/sup] ; [sup]24[/sup] all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the foreign people who live in the desert; [sup]25[/sup] all the kings of Zimri, Elam and Media; [sup]26[/sup] and all the kings of the north, near and far, one after the other—all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. And after all of them, the king of Sheshach [sup][d][/sup] will drink it too.

:29 ........ for I am calling down a sword upon all who live on the earth, declares the LORD Almighty

[sup]32[/sup] This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Look! Disaster is spreading from nation to nation; a mighty storm is rising from the ends of the earth."

[sup]33[/sup] At that time those slain by the LORD will be everywhere—from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like refuse lying on the ground.
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Anyone else ever read this part of Jeremiah? Like I said , scary stuff.

By the way "Sheshach" is cryptogram for Babylon

It reads like Sheshach drinks AFTER everyone else.
Martin.

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. Personally I would rather not be around to witness such an event.

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I feel the same way when I read Jeremiah 25 which is much like the Allen prophecy..

Martin

It is quite obvious, and very true, that we live in a wicked nation. And it is equally quite obvious, and very true, that we live in a wicked Christendom. We have the same sinful statistics as the damned do. But we insist that we are the righteousness of Christ. Such blatant blashpemy. Yet when I speak against Christendom, I am condemned. Of course.

Judging by the fruit of Christendom, their beliefs are not correct. Each person lives their beliefs. Yet everyone states that their beliefs are correct. Even on this forum. But look at the fruit of their beliefs. Few indeed are those who are willing to entertain the idea that their beliefs just might possibly be wrong. Crazy. "As a man thinks, so is he." Perhaps God knew what He was talking about when He said this?

I find it amazing that Christendom can be so hard hearted, be so spiritually blind, as to deny the facts staring them in the face, stating that they personally are not this way. Everyone else sees them for what they are.

How great is that darkness!

Tragic.

Woe! WOE! WOE to Christendom, for she drinks of the sins of the nations as her own, and she is drunk on it, addicted to it. She drinks sin like water, prostituting herself with anything and everything, freely. Woe!

"Come out from her, my people, lest you partake of her sins."

If this vision is credible then it is God's will, so it is inevitable. Worrying about stuff like this gets in the way of loving others, which seems to me to be exactly what the enemy wants.

Peace

Allen's vision is simply one of many applications of Bible prophecy within an era of nuclear threat. Others like Hal Lindsay with his Late Great Planet Earth later would declare similar things. Problem is though, much of that type of view excludes many other Bible prophecies that reveal a different type of ending centered at Jerusalem with Christ's return.

The ultimate doomsday proponents of the day have been those on the Pre-trib "secret rapture" doctrines. They must propose a situation on earth that justifies their false doctrines of the need for escape.

Christ's enemies don't want to literally destroy this earth with a nuclear holocaust, for they want to rule over this earth, and over all nations. That is what's coming, which is what God's Word has also prophesied. Allen's vision suggests all out nuclear holocaust, man destroying himself, which is not an idea aligned with God's Word.

In the Book of Joel, God describes the identity of the locusts as "a nation", meaning a certain people whose metaphorical teeth are like those of lions (Joel 1:6). In Joel 2, God calls those locusts "a great people and a strong". "A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, nothing shall escape them." (Joel 2:2-3). God describes them working like how a real locust develops in four stages. And in Joel 2:25, God tells us they are a great army He sends among His people in the last days.

In Georgetown University history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book Tragedy And Hope, himself an admitted "establishment" 'insider', he revealed how there was a push to use atomic weapons upon Japan to end WWII instead of defeating mainland Japan by conventional warfare. The push to use nuclear weapons was to usher the world into the atomic age. It was to actually 'scare' nations into fear, to force nations to join together under the purposes of the United Nations organization. After the start of the atomic age, nations would be forced to re-think their use of conventional warfare, and tread more carefully, and literally force nations into a world collective bargaining system, giving world organizations like the U.N. more power with its goal of becoming a world union.

In a world with constant nuclear threat, how would any nation be able to refuse joining such a world union organization like the U.N.? With any one nation that steps out of line with the union, the other members join together to form a more powerful bond against any single nation standing alone. In time, the goals of the union become the goals of all nations, whether any single nation agrees or not. That has been the reason for wars after WWII, which have been Police Actions supported through U.N. authority. President George Bush at the end of the Gulf War even stated the real purpose for the Gulf War was "to empower the United Nations". 28 different nations participated in the 1990's Gulf War to prove it.

In 1945 Algier Hiss was our U.S. State Department representative to the U.N. in coercing the U.S. to sign onto the United Nations Charter in San Francisco. He was later discovered to be a Soviet spy (per 1950's FBI agent Cleon Skousen in his 1958 book The Naked Communist). That revealed the Communists had a clear plan to entice the U.S. into joining a world organization like the U.N., and thereby begin the relinquishing of U.S. national sovereignty little by little, breaking U.S. Constitutional law. With the powerful U.S. brought into the U.N. body, many other nations would be forced to follow suit, bringing the internationalist's goal of a "one world government" closer to realization.

If we look at the history of U.N. function and policy, we can easily see it has not been an organ that has favoured the rights of the American people, but has only done enough to outwardly appear legit, while allowing atrocities by world communism to continue. That shouldn't be a surprise, since the majority of U.N. secretaries and deputy secretary generals have come from the eastern block nations, including the old Soviet Union.

In Ezekiel 38, God gave an alignment of nations that will ultimately come upon His people of Israel in the last days. That nation alignment is almost complete today, as it points to Russia ('rosh', Tubal, Gog and Magog) and its allies (Gomer, pointing to old Soviet buffer states like Georgia), including certain nations of Islam with Persia, Libya, Ethiopia (most likely Sudan which was part of ancient Ethiopia), and Togarmah (ancient areas of Turkey and Armenia). Not one western nation is mentioned by God in that alignment of Ezekiel 38.

In Zephaniah 3, God said it is His intent to gather the nations around Jerusalem in the end, to pour out His cup of wrath upon them. That's what will cause the end with Christ's army coming to do battle there in Jerusalem. And God told us to not have fear of all that, for He is going to do it. And then He promised to restore to His people what the locust army devoured when sent among His people (Joel 2).

The real signs in the world today are not of all out nuclear war, but of a takeover of God's people through the stroke of a pen, through the changing of the laws little by little, using false peace. Each time 'puppets' belonging to the locusts speak of nuclear threat that is only to keep their scare tactics in minds of the masses so they can continue their work of ultimate takeover from wtihin. This is why Apostle Paul warned in 1 Thessalonians 5 that Christ's coming on the day of The LORD will be in a time when the majority will be saying, "Peace and safety". It's about a time of world peace when the majority of people least expect Christ's coming.

The exact opposite of what the doomsdayers have been preaching is happenning. All nations are being gathered into a "one world government" system under world socialism. Our rights provided us by our U.S. Constitution are being taken away, and supplanted by the trumped-up rights of world governing bodies like the U.N. And nations that go against internationalist movements like the U.N. are being dealt with by using OUR military forces and OUR wealth. Likewise, our U.S. economy is having to become more dependent upon the internationalist's system of world finance. U.S. manufacturing is being moved to poorer nations to bring up their economies, the purpose being to redistribute the wealth of nations in order to balance all nation's economies towards the goal of a "one world government" prepared for the antichrist to rule over. Their goal is to create one gigantic nation state over all the earth under totalitarian rule. That has been the goal of world socialists, and world communists all along. And that's who the locust army of the Book of Joel is pointing to. That is the actual 'beast' working of Revelation 13 our Lord Jesus foretold us about for the end of days just prior to His return.

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Veteran, your post is as sobering as any other on this thread.

I agree that those who wish to rule the world will scarcely nuke it, yet there are those who may employ such weapons if they feel they have no other recourse or perhaps from sheer malice.

The sense that I get from the Allen vision is not so much that of atomic annihilation discussed in your post as that of divine judgment which is more clearly stated in the Jeremiah passage quoted by Martin. The wierd thing that you and Martin and the Allen vision all seem to agree on is some sort of threat from Russia. What is masked in visions and prophecies and the dread of the 1950's seems to be upon us. I once attended a college where active Communists sought to indoctrinate students and where Marxist instructors had no reservation about adding their lies to the syllabus.

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Yes, I realize the possibility of the world controllers (locusts) allowing the use of such a weapon on a limited basis, all the more to cement their charade upon the masses. If the majority came to the truth, I doubt the locusts would think twice about using some surprise to make them get back in line. Afterall, the way God described the locusts in Joel is they can't be defeated by us, but by God only.

The Ezekiel 38-39 army that comes out of the northern quarters upon God's people Israel is for a 'specific' time at the end of this world. It's on the day that Christ returns, which is when they are defeated and destroyed.

In Matt.24:6, our Lord Jesus forwarned that when you hear of wars and rumours of wars, don't be troubled for that must come to pass, but... the end is not yet. The opposite of a time of war is a time of peace, and that's a link to the time of "Peace and safety" Paul spoke of.

Our Lord has shown us to expect a time of false peace upon the whole earth just prior to that Ezekiel 38 army coming upon Israel, just prior to His return. That's about the great tribulation time, which those like Hal LIndsay has wrong. It will be a time of peace for the deceived. All wars will have stopped, showing the globalist plan for a one world government coming to pass. In a true one world government system, all armies and means of war are controlled by it. If it will be a type of world socialist/communist system, which I think it will be, we're going to see a return of Lenninist/Marxist type controls instituted in early Soviet Russia, complete with secret police and political-religous executions. That will be the time when Esau will have the dominion, with breaking Jacob's yoke off his brother's neck (Gen.27:40).

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You said, "which those like Hal Lindsay has wrong." What do you mean by that? I read his earliest work, but haven't kept up on his more recent stuff. Has he changed or altered his original interpretation or scenario?

I don't agree with Lindsay's original interpretation of the tribulation. In fact, I don't agree with about 99% of interpretations on this. Interested in learning your spin.

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I'm not pushing any "spin" on what I'm saying brother. Hal Lindsay with his earlier work like The Late Great Planet Earth was about supporting a false Pre-trib "secret rapture" idea. It was doom & gloom in order to create fear to want to escape the tribulation altogether, and thus believe on the "secret rapture" idea they preach happens prior to the great tribulation. As far as I know, Lindsay's still on that idea with his later works also (which I have not read).

Allen's so-called vision could be used the same way if one gets away from what God's Word really shows how the end of days is to happen.

In my last post I covered how God's Word shows the very end (tribulation) is going to be a time of world peace to fool the majority, not all-out nuclear war. Many confuse the Gog and Magog army event of Ezekiel 38 and Armageddon with happenning 'during' the tribulation, when actually as written it happens on the day of Christ's return (day of The LORD), which is how the tribulation is ended by Christ's coming.

Those on a Pre-trib doctrine wrongly move the Gog and Magog and Armageddon events back to sometime within the tribulation so as to support their belief in being raptured prior to the tribulation. Allen's vision could be used to do that also, creating fear of going through the tribulation. We are not to have fear of the coming tribulation, but be prepared to make a stand for Christ through it, and wait for His coming to gather us. That won't be until after the tribulation, which is what our Lord Jesus declared in Matt.24 and Mark 13.

It's very simple. Our Lord in His Word has already told us what to expect during the great tribulation, and it's not all out nuclear war. It's just the opposite per Matt.24:6 and 1 Thess.5 with the time many will be saying, "Peace and safety". And we can either listen to Him in His Word and not have fear nor be deceived, or we can listen to man and wizards that peep that create fear to make us want to escape our duty to make a stand in the "evil day".