Who founded your church?

Billy Evmur · Feb 3, 2021

Marymog said:
Hi Billy,

I am not claiming a succession for Paul. Scripture claims succession of the Apostles in Acts 1:21-26, 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and how it was administered in 1 Timothy 4:14 and how they were not to be hasty about it in 1 Timothy 5:22.

You are right in that their teaching was "not to be changed but committed to faithful MEN who will teach others". But when those men disagree on that teaching according to Scripture how was that disagreement to be handled Billy? Matthew 18:17 tells us to take it to The Church. That is what happened at the Council of Jerusalem. They took their differences to The Church. The Church (elders of The Church) decided what all Christians are to believe/practice. What Church elder made the statement in Acts 15:11 that affirmed what everyone else believed? It was only ONE person who made that final proclamation!! If there wasn't that one person to make that final proclamation on what all are to believe/practice then the Apostles would still be arguing today. That is why there are several thouasand denominations because men disagreed with The Church and broke away. Then the men that broke away started disagreeing with those me and broke away from that church and so on and so on until we have the mess we have today.

What Church do you obey and do you believe has the authority to treat someone as a pagan or tax collector if they don't adhere to Church teaching?

I agree with you that you can't change the foundation and that it can only be built upon. Clearly thru your studies you have eliminated The Catholic Church as The Church that was built upon that foundation. Have you found The Church that was built upon the teachings of the Apostles?

Also, you did not address my other two question:

I am also curious what man taught you your theory? Or are you self taught?

Mary

Yes the church, all the apostles and prophets gathered and discussed the matter, James who was chairing the assembly says "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and us ..."

You can certainly argue that the protest against the sale of indulgences was a matter to be brought before the whole church. It was the Pope and his fellows who were in the wrong. Did they listen?

Supposed RCC unity is a nonsense, you have a myriad of sects fighting against each other. The pro consular, the anti consular, the liberals, the conservative, the feminists, the traditionist, the modernisers etc etc

The diversity of denominations is no problem to us the conglomerate RRC is a problem. In every denomination we recognise those who have been saved, born again, even in the RCC. Fellowship with Jesus is the important thing.

Billy Evmur · Feb 3, 2021

The RCC teaches a different gospel to Peter and Paul.

theefaith · Feb 3, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
St Stephen proves you wrong for he taught with great wisdom and authority, Phillip the evangelist proves you wrong for Samaria was reached by him. The church at Antioch was formed by ordinary disciples before the apostles knew anything about it.

You just preach myths.

Philip was an apostle who preached Jesus and baptism

stephen was a Deacon under the authority of the apostles

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Apostolic succession

Marymog · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
Yes the church, all the apostles and prophets gathered and discussed the matter, James who was chairing the assembly says "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and us ...".

Nope, not true. You should read that passage again. It wasn’t James who said that.

Marymog · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
The RCC teaches a different gospel to Peter and Paul.

Soooo which denomination does teach the gospel that a Peter and Paul taught?

Curious Mary

Billy Evmur · Feb 4, 2021

Marymog said:
Soooo which denomination does teach the gospel that a Peter and Paul taught?

Curious Mary

It is nothing to do with denomination it is all about personal salvation are YOU saved, the RCC does not believe that salvation is something that can attained to now, today.

Jesus said to Zacharias "today salvation has come to this house" has salvation come to YOUR house yet? Your denomination does not teach it so you don't believe it.

Truther · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
St Stephen proves you wrong for he taught with great wisdom and authority, Phillip the evangelist proves you wrong for Samaria was reached by him. The church at Antioch was formed by ordinary disciples before the apostles knew anything about it.

You just preach myths.

I am a saint.

All believers that obey Acts 2:38 are too.

My name is AKA saint Truther.

Nice to meet you, Billy.

Billy Evmur · Feb 4, 2021

Truther said:
I am a saint.

All believers that obey Acts 2:38 are too.

My name is AKA saint Truther.

Nice to meet you, Billy.

Greetings St. T

Billy Evmur · Feb 4, 2021

theefaith said:
Philip was an apostle who preached Jesus and baptism

stephen was a Deacon under the authority of the apostles

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Apostolic succession

I am a successor of the apostles I also preach with power and authority. I am whomsoever

What are YOU then, what you doing on this forum if you have no authority or power to preach?

theefaith · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
I am a successor of the apostles I also preach with power and authority. I am whomsoever

What are YOU then, what you doing on this forum if you have no authority or power to preach?

not preaching
Apologetics is a lay mans duty Jude 1:3

BreadOfLife · Feb 4, 2021

Renniks said:
Not biblical. Show me where it says babies enter the new covenant by being dunked or sprinkled.

"Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

"But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code."

We are releaed from the MOSAIC LAW - not from the laws of God.

The New Covenant is JESUS. The way wew enter into Jesus is through BAPTISM:
Rom. 6: 3-4
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Gal. 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

I don't undestand why so many of you guys are so resistant to Baptism when it has been COMMANDED by God.

BreadOfLife · Feb 4, 2021

Truther said:
Your Spiritual boss sits on the throne in the Vatican.
You are a Roman Catholic, in which you answer solely to him.
Don't give him no lip either.

Truther said:
Catholics are the equivalent of O.T. Jews?
I can buy that.

It's almost like debating with a 3rd-grader.
But that would be an insult to the 3rd-grader . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
The bible is crystal clear that the dying thief on the Cross was not Water Baptized.
So, according to Cult theology, he was not in "in paradise" with Jesus, the day they both died, and according to Cult Cross Rejecting Theology, He is not in Heaven right now, because he was not " born again OF water"
So... according to the Cult teaching that water regenerates the soul, his wasn't.

So, lets stay away from the Cult teaching that teaches that water has any part in the salvation of a lost soul.
See, Cults are dangerous, and you want to be certain not to be deceived by one, breadoflife.
So, take care that you and your family are not so deceived.
As you dont want to be found on a Christian forum, contradicing the Cross with some Cult teaching that water saves, or that water is required to be saved (born again).

Why do you keep regurgitating your folly?

I already educated you about the fact that water is simply the means by which we are forgiven and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I also educated you about the fact that mud was the means by which the Blind Man's eyesight was restored. Mud didn't return His sight - Jesus did. Water doesn't "save" - Jesus does.

As for the Thief on the Cross - he is an exception. If YOU are basing your doctrinal beliefs on an exception - then it's NO WONDER you're so confused. The Thief experienced what we call Baptism of Desire. You see - he was a little "busy" at the time and couldn't be baptized but would have if he had the chance. However, God, in His infinite mercy can and DOES make exceptions.

Marymog · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
It is nothing to do with denomination it is all about personal salvation are YOU saved, the RCC does not believe that salvation is something that can attained to now, today.

Jesus said to Zacharias "today salvation has come to this house" has salvation come to YOUR house yet? Your denomination does not teach it so you don't believe it.

I’m glad you told me what The Church teaches about salvation. I am now enlightened. What you said is a lie ....but that is a discussion for another thread.

theefaith · Feb 4, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
We are releaed from the MOSAIC LAW - not from the laws of God.

The New Covenant is JESUS. The way wew enter into Jesus is through BAPTISM:
Rom. 6: 3-4
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Gal. 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

I don't undestand wqhy so many of you guys are so resistant to Baptism when it has been COMMANDED by God.

And it never says “except infants”
Acts 2:39 including your children
Household baptized acts 16:15

BreadOfLife · Feb 4, 2021

Billy Evmur said:
It is nothing to do with denomination it is all about personal salvation are YOU saved, the RCC does not believe that salvation is something that can attained to now, today.

Jesus said to Zacharias "today salvation has come to this house" has salvation come to YOUR house yet? Your denomination does not teach it so you don't believe it.

Actually - the Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it also says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14). This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

Just as Paul tells us – we are “working out our salvation in fear and trembling” (Phil. 2:12), and have a hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

He also tells us in Rom. 8:24-25:
“To hope is the way we are saved. But if we saw what we hoped for, there would no longer be hope: how can you hope for what is already seen? So we hope for what we do not see and we will receive it through patient, enduring faithfulness.”

Bottom line - unless you cooperate with God's grace - you cannot hope to be saved . . .

theefaith · Feb 4, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
Actually - the Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it also says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14). This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

Just as Paul tells us – we are “working out our salvation in fear and trembling” (Phil. 2:12), and have a hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

He also tells us in Rom. 8:24-25:
“To hope is the way we are saved. But if we saw what we hoped for, there would no longer be hope: how can you hope for what is already seen? So we hope for what we do not see and we will receive it through patient, enduring faithfulness.”

Bottom line - unless you cooperate with God's grace - you cannot hope to be saved . . .

abide in him until the end Jn15:1 Matt 24:13

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
Why do you keep regurgitating your folly?

.

Let me try again.
You have the responsibility to not be involved with any cult that would teach that water "regenerates the soul" or is the "'means of regeneration".
Do you hear me?
You have the responsibility to recognize a verse that says we are "born again OF water" = as being a Cross rejecting lie of the Devil as found in a bible that is the same..
That is your responsibility to know.
And, its your responsibility to keep yur family safe from any such cult and any such "bible".
Do you hear me?

Thats your responsibility breadolife...., and you are not taking it seriously.
All you take seriously is trying to sound as if you have a clue while being rude.

So, listen to me.
You have the responsibility to protect yourself and your family from any CULT that teaches that Water is necessary for Salvation.

Renniks · Feb 4, 2021

BreadOfLife said:
We are releaed from the MOSAIC LAW - not from the laws of God.

The New Covenant is JESUS. The way wew enter into Jesus is through BAPTISM:
Rom. 6: 3-4
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Gal. 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

I don't undestand why so many of you guys are so resistant to Baptism when it has been COMMANDED by God.

Oops... you didn't answer my question:

Not biblical. "Show me where it says babies enter the new covenant by being dunked or sprinkled."

I accept that Paul says here that when a person trusts in Christ for salvation, that person is baptized in the Holy Spirit into Christ's death. We die with Him.

Nothing about babies.

The Corinthians verse says raised through faith. Babies who can't understand the gospel can't express faith..

Galatians 3:
Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Oh, dear, that's inconvenient for people that believe in baptismal regeneration.

"Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham."

Oh dear, that can't be applied to babies either...

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Nope... nothing about babies being dunked causing salvation, but plenty about faith being the necessary ingredient.

theefaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Let me try again.
You have the responsibility to not be involved with any cult that would teach that water "regenerates the soul" or is the "'means of regeneration".
Do you hear me?
You have the responsibility to recognize a verse that says we are "born again OF water" = as being a Cross rejecting lie of the Devil as found in a bible that is the same..
That is your responsibility to know.
And, its your responsibility to keep yur family safe from any such cult and any such "bible".
Do you hear me?

Thats your responsibility breadolife...., and you are not taking it seriously.
All you take seriously is trying to sound as if you have a clue while being rude.

So, listen to me.
You have the responsibility to protect yourself and your family from any CULT that teaches that Water is necessary for Salvation.

baptism is necessary for salvation to be in the new covenant in union with Christ sharing in His merits

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

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