Its : = All of God.

justbyfaith · Feb 3, 2021

In Romans 3:23, the term "come short" is in the present passive indicative.

It indicates that we come short of the glory of God when we are passive (not active) in pursuing the Lord and His holiness.

But that we can come to a place where we don't come short of the glory of God is evident in 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Romans 6:6 (kjv), Colossians 2:11 (kjv), (NLT).

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

Ronald David Bruno said:
Evidently you didn't read my entire post. I quoted Romans 7:16-18, 22-25.
This is a very deep teaching concerning our dual natures that the verse states wars against each other. I guess you never got the meat of the teaching.
Thanks to Jesus who has saved us, spiritually - But we still have to deal with our flesh! But you seem to believe that once a Christian is forgiven, washed of their sins, born again, he doesn't do anything wrong from that point on.

Actually we are not to deal with our flesh, Ronald.
Paul says to "reckon it dead"., which means not to deal with it.
The reason you are dealing with yours, and teaching the deceit that we the born again are to deal with ours, is because of 2 reasons.

1.) You do not yet understand that your "old man" is "crucified with Christ", and that is why you are here telling us falsely we should be dealing with it.

2.) You have not yet learned how to "reckon your flesh dead".

Listen, we dont deal with what is Dead and Crucified.
And when you do, you end up living in the mind of the flesh, which is why you sin and confess and can't stop.

See, all that stuff is wrong believing, and that is why you continue to do it.

Ronald David Bruno · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Actually we are not to deal with our flesh, Ronald.
Paul says to "reckon it dead"., which means not to deal with it.
The reason you are dealing with yours, and teaching the deceit that we the born again are to deal with ours, is because of 2 reasons.

1.) You do not yet understand that your "old man" is "crucified with Christ", and that is why you are here telling us falsely we should be dealing with it.

2.) You have not yet learned how to "reckon your flesh dead".

Listen, we dont deal with what is Dead and Crucified.
And when you do, you end up living in the mind of the flesh, which is why you sin and confess and can't stop.

See, all that stuff is wrong believing, and that is why you continue to do it.

1. I have been born again for 30 years now, and am very well aware of my old self.
2. Sin dwells in the members of our flesh - that btw you still have! We are still tempted by those old desires.
We still are not yet perfect - or do you think you live a perfectly holy life?? Please answer.
To reckon the old self lusts dead is to "disagree and dismiss" them, say no to them when they come.
If a married man lusts after a woman ( just talking about the thoughts of this, not actions), and he "agrees" with it, he has already committed adultery in his heart. Instead, he should reckon it dead, disagree and dismiss this lustful thought, don't entertain it.
Dead to sin means it does not have power over you, you are no longer a slave to it, it no longer has the judgment and penalty of death hanging over it), but you still must actively resist it.
But you however, refuse to answer my questions. You are actually being rude and judgmental to imply I am not saved. I think that is or should be against forum rules - I'm kind new here though. ?

So now _ once again _ for the record _ for everyone to see:
Since you've been a Christian, can you claim that you have never done, said or thought anything wrong that would be considered a sin as defined in the Bible?

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Listen, we dont deal with what is Dead and Crucified.

However, what do we do if it has not yet been rendered dead?

Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

We are to mortify the deeds of the body in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Ronald David Bruno said:
I think that is or should be against forum rules

Yes, it is. And there is a "report post" button at the bottom left hand of every post.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

Ronald David Bruno said:
1. I have been born again for 30 years now, and am very well aware of my old self.
2. Sin dwells in the members of our flesh - that btw you still have

Listen.

Take your brain out of your body.
Now, does your body sin?
Think.

Its like this.....sin is in the mind, and the mind makes a choice to use the body to commit that deed.

Its not a Christ Rejector's BODY or MEMBERS that will burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire.
Do you realize this?

So, lets say a believer decides to fornicate......well...you made that decision with your mind, but you commit the act with your body as directed by your mind.
See it?

So, its not your body that has the issue, its your "old man"......your "mind of the flesh", Ronald.

And that part of you, if you are born again, was circumcised away from your "new creation in Christ".
They are separate. One is "born again", and one is "crucified with Christ"..

You are trying to exist in the "crucified with Christ" OLD MAN, in your MIND.
That is how you keep sinning and confessing, and can't stop.
And you think to convince us that we are to live there also.
Sorry, no.

Now, if you want to stop sinning and confessing, for the next 30 yrs, as why keep doing that.....then you have to learn how to exist in the right mind of faith..

Deliverance comes from God, its all of God.
Being "in Christ" means we are in God.
But, to exist on earth, as Paul states this way.....>"as many as be made PERFECT".....is only going to happen when you believe right.

If you believe wrong, you will continue to live wrong.
If you believe right, you will find the power to live right.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
However, what do we do if it has not yet been rendered dead?
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
We are to mortify the deeds of the body in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, it is. And there is a "report post" button at the bottom left hand of every post.

go here.

You are no longer: the "old man".

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Its not a Christ Rejector's BODY or MEMBERS that will burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire.
Do you realize this?

Actually, there is going to be a resurrection of the bodies of those who will be judged and then cast into the lake of fire bodily (Daniel 12:2, Revelation 20:11-15).

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Look at this part....>"if we live after the flesh, you shall die"..
Ive got news for you.. You are going to die anyway..

If you live after the flesh, you will die eternally in the second death.

Of course everyone is going to die physically the first time (except they be raptured).

Behold said:
But we can behave like the old man, while being a new Creation.

Not something that I would recommend (Hebrews 10:26-31).

Behold said:
But see, our old man is not us anymore,

Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Actually, there is going to be a resurrection of the bodies of those who will be judged and then cast into the lake of fire bodily (Daniel 12:2, Revelation 20:11-15).

Yes, and those are the Christ Rejectors, and that is the Great White Throne Judgment.

"all that are not found in Jesus's Book of Life".

Thats all the Christ Rejectors.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Yes, and those are the Christ Rejectors, and that is the Great White Throne Judgment.

"all that are not found in Jesus's Book of Life".

Thats all the Christ Rejectors.

Which is not to say that we will not have physical bodies in heaven.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Not something that I would recommend (Hebrews 10:26-31).
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

I would also not recommend being a 2000 yr old Christ Rejecting Hebrew, as found in Hebrews 10:26, who are rejecting the Gospel, as if you do that, you "crucify Christ Afresh" as if you just nailed Him up.
Thats committing the unpardonable sin, and those Unsaved Jews (Hebrews) certainly did it.
Read ACTS 28, the last 10 verses, and find them doing it again.... And again its the same Apostle, Paul, who is dealing with them.

And Paul said that there is no way for the flesh to perform that which is good.
But that is not exactly the context....as any of us can do something good.........but what Paul means, is that he had no way to live a perfected discipleship, as when he tried to do that by willpower, it only turned out really wrong, and continually so.

Later, he wrote that he had come to the place of that never being a problem any more, and he said....."Christ always gives me the victory".

So, Paul went from....."that which i dont want to do i do"....... to.= "ALWAYS = Victory".

And its the same for us, once we get the same mind that Paul had, which is to believe right.
But not until.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

There is an entire thread devoted to the issue of what is the meaning of Hebrews 10:26-31; we do not need to rehash it in this thread, thus derailing the thread.

Hebrews 10:26-31

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Which is not to say that we will not have physical bodies in heaven.

In the "twinkling of an eye", "corruption (our current body) shall PUT ON Incorruption",= that is the NEW BODY.

See, we have to have a new body, because our Born again Spirit is a NEW CREATION.
You dont put New Born Again Wine into old dead and corrupted Bottles.
You put a New Creation into an incorruptible body......just like the one Jesus was wearing when He rose from the DEAD and walked out of the Tomb.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
There is an entire thread devoted to the issue of what is the meaning of Hebrews 10:26-31; we do not need to rehash it in this thread, thus derailing the thread.
Hebrews 10:26-31

Then maybe you should not try to abuse that verse on my Thread again.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
And its the same for us, once we get the same mind that Paul had, which is to believe right.

Liked your post; but not this part: because we have differing opinions on what right believing is.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
In the "twinkling of an eye", "corruption (our current body) shall PUT ON Incorruption",= that is the NEW BODY.

See, we have to have a new body, because our Born again Spirit is a NEW CREATION.
You dont put New Born Again Wine into old dead and corrupted Bottles.
You put a New Creation into an incorruptible body......just like the one Jesus was wearing when He rose from the DEAD and walked out of the Tomb.

Yep...and in that body He ate a piece of broiled fish and honeycomb (Luke 24:42-42).

He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until He drinks it new with us in His Father's kingdom (Matthew 26:29).

Physical bodies.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Then maybe you should not try to abuse that verse on my Thread again.

I did not abuse it.

But the reality of what the passage means is hashed out in the thread in question; and therefore I was referring people to that thread for a more accurate understanding of what the passage in question means.

Ronald David Bruno · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
So, its not your body that has the issue, its your "old man"......your "mind of the flesh",

I did not say body, I said Sarx, your flesh, which obviously includes your soul, which is the mind, emotions and will of a person.

Behold said:
And that part of you, if you are born again, was circumcised away from your "new creation in Christ".
They are separate. One is "born again", and one is "crucified with Christ"..

I agree. Your spirit is sanctified and at death will be with the Lord.
Now about that question? Don't ignor it, you are making yourself look bad. When people hide from things they don't want to face, it impedes their growth. Paul was aware of this war between the his spirit and his flesh. Aparently you have a mental block about it.
Must be the old self. I will consider our conversion over unless you answer the question.

Behold · Feb 4, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Liked your post; but not this part: because we have differing opinions on what right believing is.

Here is what i believe.

Once born again, always born again.
why?
because Eternal life is not temporary, and the same blood of Jesus that saved the born again, keeps them saved.

Philippians 1:6 says that God begins and finishes salvation FOR us.... and God is FAITHFUL to do it.
Hebrews 12:2 says that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

So, God finishes our salvation and Jesus finishes our faith.
What is our part in God's Grace// Salvation.?
To believe it and REST in it.
That is Right Believing...
If you live there, then your sinning issue, will no longer have the Law's power to keep you sinning .

"the power of sin, is the LAW". not you.

justbyfaith · Feb 4, 2021

Behold said:
Here is what i believe.

Once born again, always born again.
why?
because Eternal life is not temporary, and the same blood of Jesus that saved the born again, keeps them saved.

It depends on what kind of faith you have.

There is a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith; that can nevertheless be identified as saving faith (Luke 8:12-13)...where the person believes for a while and then falls away when temptation comes. It does not save from hell...but it does save from sin (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14); if only for a season.

Then there is a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14). Such a faith is unto everlasting life (John 6:47); which is life that can never come to an end...otherwise it would have been identified as temporal.

Its : = All of God.

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