Hebrews 10:26-31

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BloodBought 1953

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Here's how Jesus will be judging us on the day of judgment.....

31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

You'll find it in Matthew 25:31-46



Many say these verses pertain to those that endured the Tribulation, and these people shall be judged according to how they treated the 144,000 that preached the Gospel during those terrible days....I don’t know if that is true or not....I don’t really care.....
Years later, the same Jesus that said those words also said if you believed He died for your sins and rise from the grave, you would be Saved.....Seeing how this is the Latest Recipe for getting to Heaven.....I will go with it.....
 

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If they are the same to you, it is not to me. For me, judging behavior means judging if a certain behavior is good or bad. It is behavior I judge, not the person. Why I do not judge people is, I might be judging wrongly and so sin. I don’t want to be judged wrongly as well. The behavior of a person change. Why a person behaves in a certain way may be because of something which I am not aware of or have no knowledge of.
When we judge people by their behavior we're not determining their eternal destiny. When we judge people according to their behavior, the way the Bible tells us to do, we are judging them to be saved or not so we can treat them accordingly. We aren't sending them to heaven or hell. Only God can pass that judgment.

The person you judge as unsaved today, because of the life they are leading, may well be a new creation in Christ next year, with the new life to prove it. And so on the evidence of that transformation you can then judge them as being a fellow believer.
 

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Correct. Behavior is just the criteria by which Jesus will judge if you have faith. Matthew 25:31-46


Nope.
God is easy to get along with. All those that “ WANT” to be Judged by their Behavior, because they Believed Satan’s Lie that they were “ Good Enough” , WILL be Judged by their Behavior .....BIG Mistake.....
These Lost, Deceived Fools will make their best case—- “look at me ! ....see all the great things that “ I” did ! I did a pretty good job of keeping those 613 commandments ( please don’t mention those “ Sins Of Omission, though...Gulp! ).....I was “ Lucky” enough to Repent of ALL of my Sins before I kicked the Bucket , and I NEVER committed any “ Willful” Sins That the Inadequate Blood Of Your Son was to “ weak” to cover.....”
Then, after presenting their best cases of “ SELF” Righteousness as opposed to talking about “ Christ’s” Righteousness and their Trust in THAT Righteousness to Save them, they will say to God—“ Look how hard I worked! Give me what I deserve!”
As I said earlier , God's easy to get along with.....He will give them EXACTLY what they “ Deserve”——— HELL.
Shun the Grace Of God......make “ any” case for your Salvation that goes beyond “ Nothing But The Blood” for your Salvation and the outcome for you will be the same.....
Remember that Song as the Angels carry you away to your Eternal Damnation....All along It really “ WAS” , “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”....
 
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Many say these verses pertain to those that endured the Tribulation, and these people shall be judged according to how they treated the 144,000 that preached the Gospel during those terrible days....I don’t know if that is true or not....I don’t really care.....
Years later, the same Jesus that said those words also said if you believed He died for your sins and rise from the grave, you would be Saved.....Seeing how this is the Latest Recipe for getting to Heaven.....I will go with it.....
He gave no qualification that Matthew 25:31-46 is somehow a different and distinct judgement for a certain group of people. It matches the description of the final judgment in Revelation 20:11-15

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Paul makes mention of the final judgment being this, too......

9So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:9-10
The church will tell you this is a different judgment, one for rewards, not salvation. They have to say that because they cannot grasp that saving faith is judged by the behavior that accompanies it (see Hebrews 6:9 - what they did was how the author knew they were saved). And so they have to create two judgments to remove the contradiction their theology creates.

It's hard for the church to understand that our works are judged, not to see if we earned salvation, but as the measure of whether or not we have saving faith. I'm confident you'll reject this out of hand, and that's your choice. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just trying to be a conduit through which Christ can bring conviction to people who are trapped in the misguided teachings of the church in these end times. A church that is telling people their works don't matter. They do matter, just not for the reason of earning salvation, but for proving one's salvation, because that is exactly the criteria by which Jesus will judge us as having faith or not. Because truly born again people are changed people who love Jesus and do righteous things (Matthew 25:34-40, Hebrews 6:10-12).
 

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Nope.
God is easy to get along with. All those that “ WANT” to be Judged by their Behavior, because they Believed Satan’s Lie that they were “ Good Enough” , WILL be Judged by their Behavior .....BIG Mistake.....
These Lost, Deceived Fools will make their best case—- “look at me ! ....see all the great things
No, read the passage. No one is bragging. In fact, everyone is saying, "when did we see you.....". Read your Bible, man!

Now we do know afterwards the damned will be pleading to come into the kingdom. But there will be no bragging or boasting on the part of the righteous. Their lives will be doing all the testifying that Jesus needs to hear.
 

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We have both made our Arguments.Now it is up to the Reader to decide......
I would only add this, dear Reader.....Who sounds the most like Cain and who sounds the most like Abel?
I offer up Nothing But Blood ( the Shed Blood Of Jesus) to gain God's Acceptance, just like “ Righteous Abel” did , and the other Guy offers up his “ good works” like Cain did—- the man who disobeyed God By doing it “his” way, which was human effort ( the Picture Of ALL Religions ). This is in violation of God’s Way.....God's Way is by the Shed Blood Of an Innocent ( the Picture Of Jesus Christ)
I hope you choose wisely .....the difference is Heaven and Hell....
 

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It is basically gnosticism.

It teaches that what we do in the flesh doesn't matter because our spirit-man cannot be involved in what we do in the flesh.

Thats not correct.
And when you dont know what you are talking about, can it be of God to abuse someone with it?
You are seriously carnal when you abuse people with info you dont even understand, to try to diminish them on a Forum.
Apparently your goal in life is to find real born again people and argue your false theology against them.
Be glad im not a mod here.

So, Listen..
gnostics do not teach that the deeds you do, do not matter.
what they teach is that there is no "sin", so, there is no judgement, there is no Cross, and there is no Savior.
None is needed, according to gnostic theology, as you dont need to be forgiven, regarding what does not exist.
 

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When we judge people by their behavior we're not determining their eternal destiny. When we judge people according to their behavior, the way the Bible tells us to do, we are judging them to be saved or not so we can treat them accordingly. We aren't sending them to heaven or hell. Only God can pass that judgment.


You say out of one side of your mouth that when you judge somebody by their Behavior, you are “NOT determining their Eternal Destination” and then say out of the “ Other” Side Of your mouth, that you are just judging whether that are Saved or not.....
You aint even making sense anymore....you’ve always been Wrong, but at least you used to make a little bit of sense......perhaps a little vacation would serve you well....come to Southern Ohio for awhile if you like cold weather....lol...
 

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Read your Bible, man!


I “ DO” read my Bible .....so do Catholics and Mormons And Jehovah’s Witnesses......and YOU!
The Bible can be a VERY Dangerous Book! Reading it means Nothing.UNDERSTANDING it is the important thing.....and I don’t think that you do....You could learn much from God-Sent Teachers Of the Word , But that does not “ jell” with stiff- Necked Pride ....
You “ go it alone”, and boy, does it show......
 
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I “ DO” read my Bible .....so do Catholics and Mormons And Jehovah’s Witnesses......and YOU!
The Bible can be a VERY Dangerous Book! Reading it means Nothing.UNDERSTANDING it is the important thing.....and I don’t think that you do....You could learn much from God-Sent Teachers Of the Word , But that does “ jell” with stiff- Necked Pride ....
Virtually all people in all denominations do not read the Bible. They rely on what other people say it says. And others who do read it, what little they do read they read through the lens of the interpretation they've already been given about it. The answer to this problem is for people in the church to read the Bible for themselves and talk to other people who read it for themselves too, and who do not have a particular theological hobby horse that they ride, like you do.

You “ go it alone”, and boy, does it show......
You commented on my post(s) about how I said I learn from reading the Bible for myself and talking to other people who read their Bible for themselves. So I know you know that I don't 'go it alone'. I've learned a lot from talking to other people just in Christian forums.
 

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You say out of one side of your mouth that when you judge somebody by their Behavior, you are “NOT determining their Eternal Destination” and then say out of the “ Other” Side Of your mouth, that you are just judging whether that are Saved or not.....
Lol, I knew that would get somebody's undies in a bunch!

Just because somebody is judged to not be saved today doesn't mean they won't be next year. I even said that, but I see it went right past you.
 

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I do know what gnosticism is; and I know when someone is preaching it. You may not be doing that on purpose.

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BloodBought, Marks,....neither of these are preaching or teaching gnostic theology.
You do not know what you are talking about.
You have not studied it, as you said, and you only frame of reference is a heretic who didnt know anything about it, and told you a few thing that are not even related to it.
 

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who do not have a particular theological hobby horse that they ride, like you do.

You've not yet understood the Grace of God.
You teach it as works.
So, you have no qualification to be trying to teach anyone, when you have not even yet understood the most basic fundamental of the Faith.

Here let me prove it to you.

Explain why the blood of Jesus that Saved you, always keeps you saved, no matter what.
 

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It is what it says “discerning of spirits”. It is about the ability to discern or distinguish spirits. It’s to tell if the spirit for example is of the devil or not, or if it’s good or bad spirit, or if it’s spirit of division or unity, or of love, or of hatred, and so on. Having that gift helps the church in making wise and good decisions, giving guidance to the church, etc.

It’s not for judging the hearts of a person.

That is, again, your opinion.

At the very least, what we can judge is whether the person has the spirit of truth or the spirit of error (1 John 4:6).

I think it to be true that if someone has the spirit of error, they are not currently born again.

While even those who have not yet been born again may have good things in their hearts (1 Corinthians 4:5, Isaiah 57:12).

So, are you perfect or not? Are you perfect and you just don’t want to say and claim or believe that you are, or what? Or you simply don’t know?

Well,....

Read the entire post (Hebrews 10:26-31).

I have the right attitude for one who has been perfected: that I believe that I have room to grow.

Whether I really have room to grow or not is for the Lord to judge. I consider that I have room to grow; and because I have this attitude, I am a candidate for the office of being one who has been perfected.

God only knows.

See 1 Corinthians 4:4.

...I was “ Lucky” enough to Repent of ALL of my Sins before I kicked the Bucket , and I NEVER committed any “ Willful” Sins That the Inadequate Blood Of Your Son was to “ weak” to cover.....”

Of course, in your scenario, the blood of Jesus is too weak to sanctify and cleanse the believer...

Remember that Song as the Angels carry you away to your Eternal Damnation....All along It really “ WAS” , “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”....

Yes, nothing but the blood: which does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses from all sin (1 John 1:7).

We have both made our Arguments.Now it is up to the Reader to decide...

Not everything had yet been laid on the table...but now, maybe, everything has been...

So, Listen..
gnostics do not teach that the deeds you do, do not matter.

That happens to be a lie.

It is a very basic thing in gnosticism that what we do in the flesh, doesn't matter: because in gnosticism, spirit is good and matter is evil; and therefore when we are born again, we are only born again in our spirit and therefore we can do all kinds of dirty deeds in our flesh and it does not affect our born again, spirit-man.

BloodBought, Marks,....neither of these are preaching or teaching gnostic theology.
You do not know what you are talking about.
You have not studied it, as you said, and you only frame of reference is a heretic who didnt know anything about it, and told you a few thing that are not even related to it.

Most assuredly, you have studied it...which is why you teach it. You have been deceived by your reading of gnostic documents; and that carries over into what you teach.

You've not yet understood the Grace of God.

Says the person who denies indwelling sin (the Bible teaches (in 1 John 1:8) that because of this, he deceives himself, and the truth is not in him).

I answer even though your statement was not directed at me; because sometimes it is expedient for brothers to defend one another in battle.
 
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...dear Reader.....Who sounds the most like Cain and who sounds the most like Abel?
Yes, who sounds more like Cain and who sounds the most like Abel?

12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did Cain slay him? Because his own deeds were evil, while those of his brother were righteous. 1 John 3:12

7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8The one who practices sin is of the devil... 1 John 3:7-8
Works DO matter. They show whether you are really saved or not, just as the righteous deeds of Abel distinguished him from his evil brother Cain.
 
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Are we Jesus?

But yet Jesus said this:

John 14:12 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Proverbs 20:11 KJV
Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.
Read John 14:12 in context.

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Here's how Jesus will be judging us on the day of judgment.....

31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

You'll find it in Matthew 25:31-46

I thought you knew that Christians will be judging the world and angels?

So, where do you find yourself? In the nation of sheep or goat who are judged? Or among the brethren of Jesus Christ?

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Correct. Behavior is just the criteria by which Jesus will judge if you have faith. Matthew 25:31-46
Again, do you consider yourself among those judged or among the brethren of Jesus Christ in the passage?

Will there be judgement for the Christian and for which behavior is the criteria? If you believe so, is that judgement about hell and heaven, or death and eternal life, or what?

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When we judge people by their behavior we're not determining their eternal destiny. When we judge people according to their behavior, the way the Bible tells us to do, we are judging them to be saved or not so we can treat them accordingly. We aren't sending them to heaven or hell. Only God can pass that judgment.

The person you judge as unsaved today, because of the life they are leading, may well be a new creation in Christ next year, with the new life to prove it. And so on the evidence of that transformation you can then judge them as being a fellow believer.
As I said, as far as I can, what I judge is behavior, not people.

Whatever you say is your intention that you judge people by their behavior, whether they are saved or not, is your concern, not mine. That’s perhaps how you do it, but not me.

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