Is The Sermon on the Mount Instructional or Informational?

Jacob28 · Feb 14, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
What makes you say that?

No person can be seen today who actually loves his neighbors, and all who he sees in need, as loves himself. Food, mortgage, transportation, furniture, vacation, education, clothes, health costs, entertainment, hobbies, insurances, retirement all show how we love ourselves.

In fact, loving one's self is the lower standard, since Jesus commanded His Disciples to live each other as Jesus had loved them. Jesus' love for His Disciples was far more than our love for ourselves.

Jacob28 · Feb 14, 2021

Blood Bought 1953 said:
As I stated......some don’t “ GET” it.....Here’s your Evidence.....Still obsessed with what “ HE” does for God as opposed to the TRUTH of the Gospel —— The Gospel That Saves ( 1Cor15:1-4 ) is what God has done for man....NOT what man does for God....
Satan proved Eons ago what Pride does to a being.....it’s still around today.....

Jacob28 · Feb 14, 2021

James clearly commands deeds to be done without pride.

John 14:12 had Jesus stating "HE" that believes on me, the works I do shall "HE" also do. I rejoice in the clear Word of God.

Jacob28 · Feb 14, 2021

justbyfaith said:
There is no rule on these boards that will prevent me from addressing you as "you".

The fruit of the Spirit is to refrain from speaking froward and false assertions. Bless Paul for that Word of God.

The loving Spirit of God in a person's heart will not need to look at written laws.

justbyfaith · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
No person can be seen today who actually loves his neighbors, and all who he sees in need, as loves himself. Food, mortgage, transportation, furniture, vacation, education, clothes, health costs, entertainment, hobbies, insurances, retirement all show how we love ourselves.

In fact, loving one's self is the lower standard, since Jesus commanded His Disciples to live each other as Jesus had loved them. Jesus' love for His Disciples was far more than our love for ourselves.

One way that we love our neighbor as ourselves, within the context of the faith of Christianity, is in that we evangelize our neighbor because we love them enough to not want to see them go to hell.

There are also Christian organizations that help us to love our neighbors in other ways, by helping the homeless and other such things; so that one can help the homeless (their neighbor) by giving to the organization so that it will be able to accomplish its purposes.

Jacob28 said:
The fruit of the Spirit is to refrain from speaking froward and false assertions.

No false assertions have been made. I am going to assume that you believe what you post; otherwise you would not post it.

CharismaticLady · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
No person can be seen today who actually loves his neighbors, and all who he sees in need, as loves himself. Food, mortgage, transportation, furniture, vacation, education, clothes, health costs, entertainment, hobbies, insurances, retirement all show how we love ourselves.

In fact, loving one's self is the lower standard, since Jesus commanded His Disciples to live each other as Jesus had loved them. Jesus' love for His Disciples was far more than our love for ourselves.

So what you are actually saying is there is not one born again Christian on the face of the earth?

DNB · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
Jesus spoke to these multitudes using only Jewish terms and concepts, and spoke only about The Mosaic Law and what it really meant.
Today in the Church, we are not Jewish, and are not obligated to obey Mosaic Law.

So, are we still to follow Jesus' instructions in The Sermon on the Mount as He spoke them, or just kind of be aware of them?

No, I believe all that Jesus spoke about during his sermon on the mount, were applicable to all generations and races. They are words of wisdom under any dispensation, especially the fact that his exposition transcended the limitations of the 'superficial' meaning of the Law. They are not necessarily precepts unto salvation, as atonement is by faith, but pragmatically speaking, and in regard to holiness, everything that Jesus stated relate to the disposition required to please God. Again, adhering to the sermon does not by necessity lead to salvation, but it does guide us to righteous behaviour and attitude while on this earth.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

justbyfaith said:
One way that we love our neighbor as ourselves, within the context of the faith of Christianity, is in that we evangelize our neighbor because we love them enough to not want to see them go to hell.

There are also Christian organizations that help us to love our neighbors in other ways, by helping the homeless and other such things; so that one can help the homeless (their neighbor) by giving to the organization so that it will be able to accomplish its purposes.

No false assertions have been made. I am going to assume that you believe what you post; otherwise you would not post it.

Jacob28 said:
The fruit of the Spirit is to refrain from speaking froward and false assertions. Bless Paul for that Word of God.

The loving Spirit of God in a person's heart will not need to look at written laws.

People find God through Jesus Christ only as their need for a new Life becomes more than they can do without, hungering and thirsting with all their being.

God is not looking for people responding from convenience or a measured interest. Thoughts of a future Hell are not the best motivator. Hearts are captured by God through His miraculous power.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
So what you are actually saying is there is not one born again Christian on the face of the earth?

I have neither said nor implied that.

The redemptive solution upon lukewarm churches having nominal faith will be delivered by God in this 2021 year.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

DNB said:
No, I believe all that Jesus spoke about during his sermon on the mount, were applicable to all generations and races. They are words of wisdom under any dispensation, especially the fact that his exposition transcended the limitations of the 'superficial' meaning of the Law. They are not necessarily precepts unto salvation, as atonement is by faith, but pragmatically speaking, and in regard to holiness, everything that Jesus stated relate to the disposition required to please God. Again, adhering to the sermon does not by necessity lead to salvation, but it does guide us to righteous behaviour and attitude while on this earth.

Guidance is not obedience. Thought and agreement is not action. Aphorisms are not The Word of God defined in Heb. 4:12-13.

Jesus attracted lost people using the power of action. For the Jews who already had experienced a thousand years of Judgement and Fire, Jesus brought them Water and Bread. Today, Gentiles need to pray for their own Judgement, Fire, then Water and Bread.

justbyfaith · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
God is not looking for people responding from convenience or a measured interest. Thoughts of a future Hell are not the best motivator.

Thoughts of a future hell are an adequate motivator to be saved from hell.

Jacob28 said:
Hearts are captured by God through His miraculous power.

The Israelites in the wilderness had miracles galore. Yet the preaching of the gospel in that day was not mixed with faith in them that heard it (Hebrews 4:2).

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Thoughts of a future hell are an adequate motivator to be saved from hell.

The Israelites in the wilderness had miracles galore. Yet the preaching of the gospel in that day was not mixed with faith in them that heard it (Hebrews 4:2).

Jesus presented The Gospel to the Jews who knew God existed by the history of His miracles, but whose Mosaic Law could not be kept. Gentiles today cannot come to God unless they first observe and believe that a Supreme and Powerful God loves them.

This today is happening in Muslim nations, such as Iran.

DNB · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
Guidance is not obedience. Thought and agreement is not action. Aphorisms are not The Word of God defined in Heb. 4:12-13.

Jesus attracted lost people using the power of action. For the Jews who already had experienced a thousand years of Judgement and Fire, Jesus brought them Water and Bread. Today, Gentiles need to pray for their own Judgement, Fire, then Water and Bread.

You're weird buddy! Just accept a viable answer when you hear one, quite trying to be difficult with your platonic type nonsense. Get serious.

justbyfaith · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
Jesus presented The Gospel to the Jews who knew God existed by the history of His miracles, but whose Mosaic Law could not be kept. Gentiles today cannot come to God unless they first observe and believe that a Supreme and Powerful God loves them.

This today is happening in Muslim nations, such as Iran.

Miracles do not tend to produce faith. What does produce faith is the following:

Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

That being said, miracles are often produced where faith already exists.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

DNB said:
You're weird buddy! Just accept a viable answer when you hear one, quite trying to be difficult with your platonic type nonsense. Get serious.

There is no example in Scripture to undertake chit chat aphorisms and churchy sounding platitudes.

Hebrews 4:12 instructs how words not living and active are not God's Word.

Apostle Peter commanded "He who speaks let him speak as the oracles of God."

1 Peter 1:13 "Gird up the loins of your mind, be sober." A girded up mind does not let it all hang out.

Jesus declared in Matt. 12:36 "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give an account thereof in the day of judgement." Jesus never chatted.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

DNB said:
You're weird buddy! Just accept a viable answer when you hear one, quite trying to be difficult with your platonic type nonsense. Get serious.

Excellent observation. I will not speak common milque toast platitudes.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

justbyfaith said:
Miracles do not tend to produce faith. What does produce faith is the following:

Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

That being said, miracles are often produced where faith already exists.

Jacob28 · Feb 15, 2021

Yes, Isn't God glorious? He never runs out of them.

CadyandZoe · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
How do you know what we do?

What do you mean? Explain.

CadyandZoe · Feb 15, 2021

Jacob28 said:
How do you personally emulate his values?

We study the scriptures, seeking to know him better. And as we learn what God likes and what he doesn't like we strive to excel in the good and the great qualities and actions we see there. I'll give you an example from the New Testament, one that the Lord gave us.

Consider John 6:1-5 where Jesus argues that it is proper for his disciples to "thresh" grain on the Sabbath, in order to feed themselves. Apparently the customs of the elders proscribed the threshing of grain by rubbing it in the hands. Since, according to this tradition, the disciples were picking the heads of grain, and rubbing it in their hands, they were breaking the sabbath. Jesus disagreed and to prove his case, the Lord reminded the Pharisees about an event in King David's life when he entered the house of God and took and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests alone. ( 1 Samuel 21:6 )

Jesus commends David's action, even though it violated the law concerning the consecrated bread, because David gave greater weight to human life than rules concerning religious practices. Following Jesus isn't about keeping the rules; following Jesus is to learn his wisdom and exemplify his goodness and righteous and justice. Sometimes loving other people requires us to break the rules.

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